back to article UK Tory party pledges 'digital' charter, wants Verify to back online gov

The Conservatives have pledged to introduce a digital charter in the party's manifesto today, which also rehashes a number of familiar-sounding ideas about “digital by default” government and backs the failing identity authentication platform Verify. Under the section entitled “Prosperity and security in a digital age”, the …

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One must ask ones self

If they're promising all this now, why haven't they done it for the last 7 years?

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Re: One must ask ones self

Must one? One would rather one didn't.

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Re: One must ask ones self

"Hello", lied the politician.

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Re: One must ask ones self

One has to surmise that the only way Government will do anything it is elected on is to have elections once a year or pass a law that promises must be fulfilled with reasonable exceptions.

I also see that Chancellor May is also not to be outdone by a previous PM known as the milk snatcher by taking away primary school kids lunches harming the lowest in society who already have to use food banks even while working.

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Re: One must ask ones self

Because if you announce something enough times, it'll get done eventually. Usually the last time you announce it.

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Re: One must ask ones self

My missus was the recipient of free milk in schools and said they dreaded it as there was no refrigeration in the school and so the milk was always warm and just about going off. Gave her a hatred for milk every since.

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Re: One must ask ones self

Because one must realise that one is about to experience a General Election and in the run up to said election criminals politicians tend to forget their promises, where they left the microphone and occasionally where they left their trousers.

As for the "right to be forgotten", didn't the Tories already do that to the rest of the UK that isn't a part of the Home Counties?

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"right to be forgotten"

That's a good point, does it just apply to social media or will it also apply to the great and not so good Investigatory Powers Act?

I think not.

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Re: One must ask ones self

@Hollerithevo

I'm from the north so it was always cold. I remember the blue crates it came in, I also remember getting a good hiding off the teachers in the catholic school I went to for nicking the milk and taking it home.

Happy days?

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Re: One must ask ones self

In Australia, in summer, the free milk was dreaded. It sat all morning non-refrigerated. Consumption was mandatory except for two kids who only drank goats milk.

Invariably there were calls for the 'bucket of sand'....to cover the { barf }

Probably why I only like my milk ICE cold.

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Re: One must ask ones self

I was a recipient of free milk too, and loved it! Never had any problems with milk being off, and I always volunteered to deal with any extras left over, sometimes consuming thee or four bottles of the stuff. Just about the only happy memories I have of school, outside of science lessons.

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Aaaah, now I understand the luke-warm British beer! And they always told us (outside UK) that it was due to Lucas refrigerators...

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Naughty naughty

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By the magical power of inference, I can determine that you milk drinkers were clearly all from the South. Us northern milk drinkers never had such problems. I'm pretty sure the average ambient temperature of Cumbria in the 70's never got above 5c (even in '76).

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My missus was the recipient of free milk in schools and said they dreaded it as there was no refrigeration in the school and so the milk was always warm and just about going off.

Never had that problem. The delivery bloke left the crates stacked up against the north wall, permanently in the shade and where the gentle breeze wafting off the North Sea kept it at a perfect drinking temperature.

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So your point point is our poorest should be glad their lunches are being withdrawn, they must've been nearly spoilt and were probably putting them off food in general? :O

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Lucas refrigerators

Wasn't that where we kept the warm smoked beer?

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Re: One must ask ones self

"Usually the last time you announce it."

Do you have evidence to back that up? We often see already assigned funding being reannounced under new guises again and again...

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Dangers of the internet

Rather than getting students to see how far around the globe a message will get on Facebook (other advertising social networks are available), how about they just do this in a class?

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Hardware

Is the digital charter going to specify a strong and stable platform?

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Linux

Re: Hardware - Is the digital charter going to specify a strong and stable platform?

scaffold Linux?

Coming soon to a hill near you.

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Uncle Rupert gets his Reward

"The manifesto also cancels the second part of the Leveson enquiry into phone hacking by the media."

All those un-documented private meetings between the PM and the head of the media group...

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Re: Uncle Rupert gets his Reward

Not just Rupe...that nice Mr Hislop will be rather chuffed at not having to pay the other sides costs on the rare occasions that Private Eye wins. In fact most of the press will like that one, even the non-Tory bits.

Not that that would have been a calculation...

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Re: Uncle Rupert gets his Reward

At least Private Eye lampoons near enough every side in politics. Some drivel like The Daily Fail only kiss the arse of one or two parties and dumps all over the others.

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Re: Uncle Rupert gets his Reward

Why do you think the media are backing the Tories with so much gusto?

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Re: Uncle Rupert gets his Reward

Dropping the investigation into media misdoings doesn't affect the press control, err arbitration, rules - the government can activate those any time it likes, so I think we can assume they wont be giving that up in a hurry.

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Re: Uncle Rupert gets his Reward

It's the next sentence. "We will repeal s.40 of the Crime and Courts Act...etc" p.80

So yeah they've gone out of their way to keep the press onside.

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Re: Uncle Rupert gets his Reward

Why do you think the media are backing the Tories with so much gusto?

Well they'd be a laughing stock if they supported IRA supporting Jezza (he'd be a laughing stock if he wasn't so vile)

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Re: Uncle Rupert gets his Reward

Rupert wants to take over 100% of Sky TV perhaps? The government review is on hold until after the election. How convenient eh?

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Large pictures of The Maybot

Could you just not, please? Thanks.

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Re: Large pictures of The Maybot

Be thankful. The other picture was one of her gnawing on a migrant's thighbone.

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"to create a comprehensive geospatial data body within government, in order to maximise its value for when we again try to flog it off in three years' time"

Finished that sentence for you.

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"Local government will also be expected to publish data in open formats, anonymised and aggregated where necessary."

The other day, I was unlucky enough to download a copy of the minutes of a local council meeting in PDF. In the expenses section, was the clerk and deputy clerk's monthly salary, nicely blacked out. Which of course rendered it impossible to read. Until I tried highlighting it and copy pasting into a text document.

Trivial example, but the point being, I don't trust their ability to protect their own data, let alone other people's.

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Dangers of the internet

All your face (book, time, etc) are belong to us?

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Is that it?

Have we had all the manifestos released now?

They are works of fiction, full of good intentions and waffle with a slightly longer shelf life than the Daily Wail.

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Re: Is that it?

They are works of fiction, full of good intentions and waffle with a slightly longer shelf life than the Daily Wail.

But less use than the Daily Facist since (being all shiny) they don't soak up cat and dog pee..

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To be slipped into the bill by the backdoor at a later date:

Anyone found guilty of copyright infringement will have both hands amputated.

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One year later..

..the law becomes unenforceable due to the fact nobody's got any digits left. I'm buying shares in foot operated amputation devices now!

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A new Data Protection act, huh?

"All your data are belong to us and there'd not a damn thing you can do about it, sincerely, the Tories"

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"We read the manifesto so you don’t have to…"

Actually I don't have to read the manifesto because bitter experience suggests that whoever wins will mostly do things that weren't in the manifesto anyway.

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Optional

"Should the Conservatives win the election, they will create a Data Use and Ethics Commission to advise regulators."

An Ethics commission created by May and herr troops? They haven't a clue what ethics is apart from owning most of the county... (apologies to Smith & Jones...)

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"and ensure people can control their own data "

How they going to do that, given May and her predecessor Home Secretaries have provided over such a massive and ongoing theft of voters data already.

Or the DPA, whose quality is so s**t that an FOIA request to explain how s**t it is would "Endanger Brexit negotiations."

British readers. Go tactical. If you like your MP, vote for them. If you don't, find out who was the runner up party last time and vote for their candidate. Remember you can vote for nobody, but you'd better not start bi**hing about their policies afterward.

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ID for voting

There's also a mention in the manifesto of requiring ID to vote.

Bearing in mind there is the poorest people don't have driving licenses and many do not have passports - what is this ID going to be?

Am I being paranoid in thinking the Home Office has disinterred an ID card 'consultation' document from the same crypt where they keep former Home Secretaries and is bringing it lurching back to life?

Or is it a good old American-style disenfranchisement exercise where you make it practically impossible for the wrong sort of people to vote?

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7.5% of the electorate being denied a vote according the the piece in the independent. 7.5% who are not likely to vote Tory. They won't care enough to force ID cards onto us.

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Re: ID for voting

See also:

-Ending automatic registration of students in university halls

-Ending automatic registration of children coming of age in the run up to an election

-Ending the ability to register a whole household in a single form

All of these things, like the voter ID proposals, disproportionately impact people who don't vote tory. Make of that what you will.

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"Bearing in mind there is the poorest people don't have driving licenses and many do not have passports - what is this ID going to be?"

It will be pretty much identical to the Northern Ireland system, I expect - that system has been running smoothly for a couple of decades now. Simply put, people without a Passport or a driving licence can apply for an a electoral identity card. People in that situation would apply for the card when they first register to vote.

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http://www.eoni.org.uk/Electoral-Identity-Card/Electoral-Identity-Card-FAQs

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Re: the Northern Ireland system

The Northern Ireland system offers free ID cards. There are no plans for that mentioned in the manifesto.

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In related news

The government's secret public consultation on encryption ends tomorrow. You still have time to tell the Home Office where to stick its keys:

https://www.openrightsgroup.org/press/releases/2017/secret-consultations-have-no-place-in-open-government

You can mail the Home Office consultation at:

investigatorypowers@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk.

(They'd really rather you didn't - especially if you know more about encryption than the Home Secretary*)

* You know more about encryption than the Home Secretary.

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Re: In related news

* You know more about encryption than the Home Secretary.

There are lost tribes in the Amazon that have never seen a computer but know more about encryption than the Home Secretary.

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