back to article Today's bonkers bug report: Microsoft Edge can't print numbers

Microsoft's Edge browser is the subject of an amusing new bug report, alleging it somehow manages to screw up printing strings of numbers. The report on Microsoft's developer portal describes the issue where PDF files printed through Edge will display numbers and text incorrectly when exported. "Edge displays PDF correctly …

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BWA Hahahahahahahhahhhahhahahahha

*Gasp*

Hahahahahahahahahhahaha...

*Wheeze*

Hahahahahahaha...

*Wipes away tears of incredulity*

Bahahahahahaha!

*Dies laughing*

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Re: BWA Hahahahahahahhahhhahhahahahha

What do you expect from a company that went from Windows 8 to 10?

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Re: BWA Hahahahahahahhahhhahhahahahha

Well that's one dead from this bug report..

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.or was that 5 sorry I lost count

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Re: BWA Hahahahahahahhahhhahhahahahha

It won't be noticed by 99.999999999% of users, because all they use it for is downloading Chrome.

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"It won't be noticed by 99.999999999%"

There's still a not small percentage of users that download Mozilla, because they don't count on Google respecting their privacy...

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Re: BWA Hahahahahahahhahhhahhahahahha

"What do you expect from a company that went from Windows 8 to 10?"

Of course! They were using an early version of Edge while developing it!

(See also: Microsoft's claims about how successful Windows 10 deployment has been, while world+dog was avoiding it at all costs.)

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Re: "It won't be noticed by 99.999999999%"

What about the other 32%?

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Re: BWA Hahahahahahahhahhhahhahahahha

"What do you expect from a company that went from Windows 8 to 10?"

Totally fake news. It was 8.1 to 10.

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Re: BWA Hahahahahahahhahhhahhahahahha

I'd upvote you twice but edge only lets me upvote you 42364326 time.

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Both users should take note.

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And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

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And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

Good way to learn how to use Roman Numerals.

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Re: And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

Should make the maths homework fun!

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Re: And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

'Microsoft ate my homework, Miss!'

Wows! Will the clown car ever empty?

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Re: And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

Presumably you can still install CutePDF writer and print to that from Edge, unless Windows 10 S is completely lobotomised.

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Coat

Both users should take note.

Yes, all 4 of them are irate, and another 5 have switched to OS276.

That just leaves 7.

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Re: And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

"...Presumably you can still install CutePDF writer"

Is it in the Store?

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Re: And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

"Is it in the Store?"
Who gives a shit?

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Re: And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

Oops, so it is completely lobotomised.

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Re: And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

Yup

"it might be a good idea to use another application to export your PDFs"

Except where Microsoft wont let you install that other application :)

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Re: And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

Err @Pompus Git, anyone stuck with the new Win 10 S(h*t) who might have reason to send an image to PDF.

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Re: And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

"who might have reason to send an image to PDF."

if you buy something online, and they show a receipt in web format, sometimes it's best to make a copy, and PDF makes more sense than printing. I can't imagine a WORSE outcome than having the WRONG numerical information on that receipt when you try and track your package that didn't arrive for some reason...

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Re: And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

They will let you..... after you pay them the $50 upgrade fee.....

Who says M$ don't know how to make money?!

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Re: And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

Well, tetanus would be worse, for one, or your car being stolen - there seventeen examples right there

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Re: And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

"I can't imagine a WORSE outcome than having the WRONG numerical information on that receipt when you try and track your package that didn't arrive for some reason...

How about printing PDF boarding cards for airline flights? Bonus points if you have a foreign name or the wrong amount of melanin.

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Re: And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

... and all this time I've been thinking of United as a bunch of pricks for overbooking. Honest mistake of the passenger counts printed through Edge explains it.

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Re: And all the students that get stuck with Windows S!

"and all this time I've been thinking of United as a bunch of pricks for overbooking"
I only think they're a bunch of pricks when they beat Liverpool!

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"it might be a good idea to use another application"

Converting all numbers to Roman Numerals will also work.

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Re: "it might be a good idea to use another application"

Like in Firefox, with the PDF tick widget added to Print Prevew by the "Print Edit" plugin; this creates mixed text and image PDFs, unlike the retarded, rendered-image-only PDFs of all PDF virtual printer drivers, which prevent later editing, text extraction, link use, and rendering re-flow!

Print Edit is wonderful for deleting the surrounding banners, adverts and social media strips, and other bloat from pages before printing, although some idiot web designers included F'd Up divs which prevent re-flow across several print pages, so truncate printing!

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Thou shalt count to 5...

And the number of the counting shall not be 4, nor 3, saving that thou progesseth to 5. 6 is right out.

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Workaround

The reason behind the proposed workaround: http://www.dkriesel.com/en/blog/2013/0802_xerox-workcentres_are_switching_written_numbers_when_scanning

Perhaps two bugs make one right ... and two, three, four, etc.

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Where's 2+2=5 when (s)he's needed?

In the meantime, here's some more coverage of that "Xerox Workcentre prints the wrong numbers when copying" from 3013:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/06/xerox_copier_flaw_means_dodgy_numbers_and_dangerous_designs/

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@Sampler

Until I read your comment I'd just thought, "Who cares" and "Why would you even want to".

But you've hit nail on head here.

Because the new Windows S**t version will tie users ( read "victims") to whatever Microsoft allows, making things like using Edge to create a PDF more likely.

Currently there are probably more ways to create a PDF of anything than there are ways to create the original content.

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Colour me unsurprised

MS Publisher creates PDFs to hand off to the printer. Unfortunately, printers want/demand CMYK colour space, but that's not supported by Publisher; the graphics remain RGB. MS say the printing industry needs to get up to date. By no longer using black ink? FFS!

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Re: Colour me unsurprised

Publisher is a nice toy, but still a toy. It lacks several features to be a real DTP software, and also many have been removed lately. Because now most software is aimed at the millennials generation who are "digital natives", up to the point that many advanced features have to be removed form software otherwise they got lost and scratch their heads if they see things like CMYK and ICC. You take a selfie and publish it on Instagram with a cool filter, what else do you ask for???

Yet, I don't know how many Publisher users have color-managed workflow, including profiling monitors correctly. AFAIK PDF/X allows to embed (color calibrated) RGB images into a document with a CMYK output intent (yet, can Publisher crate them?), but then the printer RIP needs to support such features.

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Re: Colour me unsurprised

Surely true black can be rendered in RGB, with a value of 0,0,0?

GJC

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The problem is that RGB deals with light, so 100%, 100%, 100% is white, while CMYK printing deals with ink, and 100%, 100%, 100%, 100% is black. CMYK 100%, 0%, 0%, 0% is also black, so is 100%, 10%, 10%, 0%, and 0%, 100%, 100%, 100% is pretty close to black too.

The gamuts (range of colours) are also completely different, CMYK is much more restrictive than RGB. A particular problem is bright light green, which is easy with RGB but impossible with CMYK.

To convert from RGB to CMYK you need an algorithm that works out how much ink is needed of each standard colour to make it look on paper like the RGB coloured light on a screen. There are many different algorithms, and each algorithm has many parameters you can set to compensate for paper type, etc. The only way to have accurate control over printed colours is therefore to work in the CMYK colour space. RGB is too vague.

Then you get "spot colours" where an additional ink is added where the ink itself is a custom colour...

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"Surely true black can be rendered in RGB, with a value of 0,0,0?"

Converting pure white and pure black is easy enough, the problem is everything between. First, a printer will charge you if it has to process your files into the required format. Second, you will usually have very little control on how your files will be processed.

Professional software allow you to soft (and hard) proof the results. The destination color space is emulated on screen (or prints from your local printer) to show the actual results (it's still an approximation, but usually good enough to avoid a lengthy and expensive process of fixing issues from actual prints). Just, remember you need profiles for the inks and paper that will be used.

Professional printers usually use standard ones (i.e. SWOP, FOGRA, etc.), and you would like to prepare output for them.

It's funny that while Microsoft is adding better support for color management in Windows, and better monitors are becoming available at lower prices, these features are being removed from Microsoft software.

It really looks Windows and its applications are being made dumber and dumber as if only some sort of "consumer zombie" is designed to use them. Once I would have found Publisher a welcome addition to the Office suite, now it's mostly a useless toy.

Hope Serif will release soon the Affinity version of PagePlus, to fill the niche of low price DTP software. InDesign CC is too expensive for occasional use.

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@LDS, re: DTP.

<Sarcasm>I've always used Windows Paint for my DTP needs!</Sarcasm>

*Cough*

I'll get my coat, it's the one with the 50TiB image in the pocket depicting a single letter in 9 million point font...

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Re: "Surely true black can be rendered in RGB, with a value of 0,0,0?"

Publisher kind of ended up as the poor relation to Word, though. Word moved from being a pure word processor into a kind of bastard hybrid between WP and DTP software around 2000-2005, leading to it being severely over-complicated for the former and still not being capable of the latter. And Publisher just kind of rotted on the shelf as Word absorbed it's purpose in life.

The end result is that MS now have no serious DTP package and 2 laughable ones.

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"now most software is aimed at the millennials generation who are "digital natives", up to the point that many advanced features have to be removed form software otherwise they got lost and scratch their heads "

Indeed. "Digital native" seems to be a euphamism for clueless idiot who knows how to use simple social media apps but doesn't have the first clue about how any of the tech works underneath. Analogy: They can drive the car (if its an automatic) but they have no idea how to check the oil never mind change it.

Personally I think the current generation despite being associated more with tech are a bunch of ignoramuses as far as its concerned. Hardly any of them (going by interviews we've done) seem to know any professional programming language such as C/C++/C# or java in any depth (as for assembler, yeah, right!). If we're lucky they might know python but normally their idea of coding is HTML,CSS and some junkscript to create a pretty web page. FFS.

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Re: "Surely true black can be rendered in RGB, with a value of 0,0,0?"

"The end result is that MS now have no serious DTP package and 2 laughable ones."
That deserves more than the single upvote I'm giving you...

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Re: "Surely true black can be rendered in RGB, with a value of 0,0,0?"

"Once I would have found Publisher a welcome addition to the Office suite, now it's mostly a useless toy.

...InDesign CC is too expensive for occasional use."

Back in the mid-90s after I finished a group training of MS Publisher, one of the clients, a young girl, burst into tears. When I asked her what the problem was she explained she had been tasked with producing a monthly newsletter and that she now knew she'd never have enough time.

So, we did a cost-benefit analysis of using MS Publisher versus Pagemaker. A Pagemaker licence back then was well north of $AU1,000 and hiring me for a one-on-one training a further ~$AU400. Publisher may have been "free", but time is money. The cost difference looked like being amortised in 3–6 months.

As with most of my Pagemaker clients, the YL brought her first finished work for my perusal and very good it was, too. It helped that we had created a number of templates for the job during her training. The time-saving exceeded our original estimate.

The first book I created with InDesign more than justified the cost of the licence. The time-saving versus a low-end DTP tool can be quite dramatic. The book had over a thousand footnotes, only one of which had the required full stop at the end. Putting those in manually would have been a chore, but the GREP in InDesign made that a trivial task.

Hint: I purchased my first Pagemaker licence second hand for 20% of the RRP. That meant I paid very little more than for a "new" low end product.

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"Surely true black can be rendered in RGB, with a value of 0,0,0?"
No, it's a sort of muddy dark brown when printed. Black ink/toner is also a lot cheaper than cyan, magenta and yellow.

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"I don't know how many Publisher users have color-managed workflow, including profiling monitors correctly."
Probably zero, or near as damnit.

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Re: Colour me unsurprised

Yup, that's it exactly. "Plain black" (only black ink) vs "rich black" (all four colors) is one of the first things you have to learn about when you start submitting images for print. Things get complicated when you go from RGB light to CMYK pigment.

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Re: "Surely true black can be rendered in RGB, with a value of 0,0,0?"

Also, a good few years back MS decided that for home users Publisher wasn't to be included in the Office bundle. Why, God alone knows. I'm not sure Microsoft did. I equate this with the point where they stopped taking any notice of what customers would want. But for SoHo users not having Publisher meant using Word instead. And also there was a host of budget DTP offerings that could be used to create a church or club flier, or a quick poster, or a birthday card and so on. And of course the home users who then found themselves needing to knock out a bit of quick DTP when they were at work didn't go to Publisher, if they were used to using Word. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them even got their employers to buy Serif's offering even though they had Publisher already.

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Re: "Surely true black can be rendered in RGB, with a value of 0,0,0?"

"It really looks Windows and its applications are being made dumber and dumber as if only some sort of "consumer zombie" is designed to use them."

But, hasn't that been the case with all consumer digital technology over the past two decades?

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1 & 1 is 2

2 & 2 is 4

4 & 4 is 11.7776

O noes!! Edge has come over all Pentium Pro!!

(In Binary, 4 is the rudest number)

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132 is my kids preferred binary number...

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