Many thanks for your help with this Simon. I'm much happier to be getting cable instead of what I thought I would be getting (FTTN).
nbn™, the organisation building and operating Australia's National Broadband Network, is installing new hybrid-fibre coax cables in some suburbs. The new build came to light after a Reg reader looked up nbn™'s new “when am I getting the NBN?” service, which was recently upgraded to advise what technology will be used to …
Thursday 2nd March 2017 01:31 GMT borkbork
Careful what you wish for, my 25Mb HFC NBN is often only 5Mb during the evening peak times. Not sure whether it's due to CVC congestion or the shared cable medium though.
Wonder how many of Bill Morrow's low speed customers aren't bothering upgrading due to not being able to even get the speed they're paying for during peak times.
Thursday 2nd March 2017 01:37 GMT sms123
Sunday 5th March 2017 03:30 GMT -tim
Wednesday 5th April 2017 02:24 GMT TheBBG
I would not punt on that. Cable bandwidth is shared amongst everyone connected to it. The cable might run at 100 Mbps but if only 25 others are streaming it is already down to 4. How many in your area are on the same cable you will be on?
HFC - state of the art 1990s. Reflecting the coalition's mentality. Lucky it is not the 1950's again!
Thursday 2nd March 2017 03:20 GMT Rattus Rattus
My 50mbit FTTP Velocity connection is around 1mbit or less during evening peak times (I say "evening", it's actually until almost midnight every night), primarily because Telstra are a bunch of cheap pricks who won't provision anywhere near what is actually required. And the NBN rollout map says my area is "adequately serviced". Oh, and we get the privilege of paying around 150% of NBN pricing for even worse service. "Adequately serviced" my arse.
Thursday 2nd March 2017 04:15 GMT Spotswood
What kind of NBN?
Do you have Fibre To The Node? Because the kind of behavior you describe is what I get with my standard 100Mbps HFC cable today. If NBN can't fix that problem, then what's the point? Mind you, when NBN arrives for me in 2019, it will be Fibre To The Curb. Which means fibre backbone all the way until the last 8 metres from the curb to my doorstep. I would imagine that will fix my current HFC woes. The Optus HFC back-haul is terrible, and the network itself highly congested. I've paid top dollar for a while, to get a sub-par service. It was great until they oversold their network (at least in my area) thanks to the NetFlix promotions..... Anyway, if I had your issues with NBN, I would be complaining VERY loudly...
Thursday 2nd March 2017 00:50 GMT jamesb2147
An interesting backstory and statistic. Especially considering the MUCH higher uptake in the US (I believe we peaked around 65% about 2000); I assumed our numbers were similar globally, with some moderate adjustments for poorer households.
Is there a cultural difference? Do you Aussies read more or something? With fewer televisions, you must have substantially more free time.
Thursday 2nd March 2017 01:34 GMT sms123
Cable was always overpriced in Australia and the bundles weren't great value. Free to air was also more ingrained here and there are laws protecting the siphoning of some sporting events to stop them from being cable only:
Since digital TV started in the early naughties we've gone from 5 analogue TV channels in some markets (to 30+ in metro areas of which about 15 contain anything remotely watchable). Compared to the US we also get a fair amount of free to air content that is cable only in the US (e.g. Archer on SBS). Now there's Netflix so cable here has no where to go but down.
The story may have been different if cable had started in the 70s instead of the middle 90s.
Thursday 2nd March 2017 02:18 GMT DesktopGuy
Cultural difference? Haven't you seen the ads.
We spend our days having a shrimp on the barbie and drinking Fosters. When not there, it's down to Bondi beach or backpacking at Uluru.
Strewth, we have the virtually every deadly animal alive and we eat our national emblem - the Kangaroo…
Don't get me started on the drop bears.
Sunday 5th March 2017 04:31 GMT david 12
The USA had a major CATV rollout before digital, partly because broadcast TV signal quality was poor. Aus had a much more modern broadcast TV signal, so there was no early demand for Community Access Television.
Now I think that the anolog signal has been completly removed, to make more space for digital.
Monday 6th March 2017 05:01 GMT Griffo
It was turned into Mobile Spectrum
Actually it was removed and sold to Telstra and Optus as Mobile phone bandwdth. The 700Mhz (Band 28) is great for 4G coverage. They actually keep squishing the DVB allocations which is why the quality on the so called "HD" channels is quite terrible as the FTA broadcasters don't actually have much bandwidth to play with. It's also why every year or two you have to re-tune your TV as ACMA force the providers to re-jig so they can sell off more spectrum.
Thursday 2nd March 2017 02:00 GMT DesktopGuy
Got a quote from Telstra last week to deploy HFC - but ONLY for Pay tv!
Just to make thing more complex…
Th apartment I live in was built months before Foxtel IQ went live.
At the time the developers opted for satellite disk and "lite" cabling - that one coax lead per dwelling.
Foxtel IQ via satellite requires 2 cable runs so we have been stuck with original Foxtel units since day one.
I enquired to Foxtel about switching to coax as impending apartment build-out will soon overshadow our satellite dish and was informed the network is now owned by NBN so we can't be connected.
Roll forward one month and I now have a proposal for connecting us to coax (HFC) from Telstra but only for the use of Pay TV since we already have both NBN FTTB an TPG FTTB.
This won't work as Foxtel coax cannot deliver FTA - that has to come from antenna on roof meaning every dwelling still needs 2 cable runs.
Long story short - dogs breakfast.
Thursday 2nd March 2017 21:32 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Got a quote from Telstra last week to deploy HFC - but ONLY for Pay tv!
"This won't work as Foxtel coax cannot deliver FTA - that has to come from antenna on roof meaning every dwelling still needs 2 cable runs."
Foxtel over HFC delivers FTA channels. I'm watching Channel 9 in HD right now on an IQ2 box.
Sunday 5th March 2017 04:34 GMT david 12
Monday 6th March 2017 04:46 GMT Overcharged Aussie
Up until last month the NBN site was telling me that FTTN was being installed in my location and going live in Jul-2017. Going down to the local pillar, there they were installing the node and connecting it to the cable in the pillar.
Now with their updated website I am being told NBN will be delivered by HFC in Jan 2018 in an area that never had HFC installed.
Seems to me that the records that they are relying on are all stuffed up. I am expecting to next get a fellow at my door selling me carrier pigeons as it will be faster. Yes I am well aware of RFC-1149.
Tuesday 7th March 2017 02:10 GMT mc nobby
Just checked the NBN site and I am to be offered NBN (tm) HFC
Not entirely sure why I have to wait till 2018 tho. Since I am assuming it's the same bit of coax that is currently carrying my foxtel to my house
Is there some paper form that needs to be shipped from telstra to the NBN and then lost?
Tuesday 7th March 2017 19:52 GMT Faceless Man
Finally on the map
I've mentioned on other threads about the NBN that leading up to the 2013 election, my building was scheduled to get FTTP (a fibre run to each unit), with planning including meetings with the body corporate to discuss logistics. Shortly after the election we disappeared completely from the schedule.
Well, we're back on the schedule, and it's currently saying we will now get FTTN (this despite claims by one of the writers for this site that no-one had been so downgraded). Maybe we'll actually get HFC, since we're in the right sort of neighbourhood. (Although we're a whole block away from a whole bunch of FTTP, so if they were to backfill with similar technology...)