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Fears that Donald Trump inauguration will be more winalot than Camelot have abated, with the news that renowned trad Irish hoofer Michael Flatley will parachute in his Lord of the Dance troupe to Friday’s virtually celeb-free inauguration. Barack Obama attracted the likes of Aretha Franklin, YoYo Ma, James Taylor and Kelly …

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My favourite theory references that not only do Irish dancers keep their hands by their sides, but they also aim for a very straight and non-mobile upper body. Apparently this stems from more puritanical times when dancing was frowned upon if not prohibited.

When dancing only, the legs/feet move. Which means that you can dance in the pub and the authority figure wandering by and looking in the window only sees the upper bodies, which aren't moving

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Q: Why don't Baptists have sex standing up?

A: They are afraid someone might see them and think they are dancing.

Dancing is the work of the Devil.

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When dancing only, the legs/feet move.

It depends on the style. Sean nós ("old style") Irish dancing allows free arm moverment and is generally more relaxed, the Riverdance troupe follows the more modern competition form of stepdance which is very rigid and formal.

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When dancing only, the legs/feet move.

I can't find it on line to provide a link but did anyone else on here see Richard Stilgoe & Peter Skellern perform "Michael Flatfeet"? It was a laugh - until - you - cry send - up of Riverdance during which they explained that they danced that way "because their arms had been decommissioned".

As they stated "they were careful where they said that".

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Michael Flatley will parachute in his Lord of the Dance troupe to Friday’s virtually celeb-free inauguration.

The best quote on Celebrities & Politics

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Alan Partridge - The best lord?

https://youtu.be/8HbJqEc_2Qc

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I had heard it as no so much puritanical, but rather anti-Irish. Back when London was trying to eradicate/domesticate the Irish - basically the same mindset that lead to the Irish Famine and A Modest Proposal.

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I think you will find that A Modest Proposal was meant as satire.

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"Back when London was trying to eradicate/domesticate the Irish"

Choice.

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Yes, A Modest Proposal was satire. Now what, prey tell, do you think it was satirizing?

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Yes, dancing is a danger to the public's morals! Which is why the GDR in 1959 tried to countermand Rock'n'Roll by inventing the Lipsi (from Jimbopedia's German edition). Here's a little video to illustrate.

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unmissable.....no sorry I mean umm missable

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I think during the election a lot of the people who voted for Trump - those who weren't married to their siblings - were sick of big name celebrity endorsements. Why would someone who is struggling financially, no healthcare etc, listen to some jumped up millionaire singer saying "Vote for Hillary because she's awesome and Trump's a dick"? In that persons world the fact that they haven't got much, have no hope, no future, means more than the opinion and endorsement of someone who will do well under the next president regardless.

Trump tapped those people up. Blamed the Mexicans, sort of blamed China, pointed out various truths about the Clintons etc. He could be a very good president, he could ruin the country, he could get shot in 6 months time (every 5th President takes a bullet aparently).

That person sat at home just wants their life to improve. I don't think they give one iota what tribute band is going to play a song tonight.

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Agreed; is there anything more patronizing than the assumption that you will change your vote because you're convinced by the political philosophy of Beyonce?

It's just another way of avoiding actually discussing issues.

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That argument kind of leaves me wondering why they'd then vote for Trump. After all he's just another rich celebrity telling them what to do.

He could be a very good president, but only if they get him on the same medication they had Reagan on.

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is there anything more patronizing than the assumption that you will change your vote because you're convinced by the political philosophy of Beyonce?

If famous people and celebs did not have the power to influence we wouldn't care when they try to.

I don't think anyone really believes they will change anyone's vote but it may help swing it for those many millions who say they don't know how they will vote; 'these famous people you (may) respect are voting this way or that way so why wouldn't you?'.

And it probably helps to reassure those who think they have made up their minds knowing that others, famous people they (may) respect, agree with them.

As far as I am concerned; everyone has a right to a view and a right to try and influence others. people can choose to be influenced or not. If celebrity gives someone a greater audience, more influence, then good luck to them.

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"That argument kind of leaves me wondering why they'd then vote for Trump. After all he's just another rich celebrity telling them what to do."

But he's a rich celebrity who can say that he's built a business for himself. That's different to someone making a load of money from doing karioke to a pre-recorded track on a CD.

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But he's a rich celebrity who can say that he's built a business for himself.

He can say it but like a sizable chunk of the things he says it's not going to be true

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"But he's a rich celebrity who can say that he's built a business for himself."

In which bizarre parallel universe is this? Donald J. Trump inherited his wealth from his father who made his money by working interesting angles on government housing programmes in ways that seem at the very least "questionable" in the sense of "Someone should have been asking questions at the time these deals were agreed."

It is often stated that Donald J. Trump has made a fortune in property by starting out with a much bigger fortune that he inherited from his father. If he had invested that money in a managed fund he would have much more money than he does today.

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"is there anything more patronizing than the assumption that you will change your vote because you're convinced by the political philosophy of Beyonce?

It's just another way of avoiding actually discussing issues."

For a lot of people that will be a massive influence on how they form their opinions, so it makes perfect sense to have "celebrity" endorsement.

What I find odd is your position on this (I may have mis-read but you seem to be pro-trump), if your position is that celebrities should not voice their opinion on political matters then WTF is trump doing? He certainly is not a politician... but seems happy to spout his opinions at anyone who is within earshot.

Also, You seem to be saying that celebrities should not be allowed to voice their opinions on political matters? While I agree that its ridiculous that some people give more credibility to something if a celebrity endorses it I wouldn't try to stop them saying it.

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"If he had invested that money in a managed fund he would have much more money than he does today."

My understanding was that if he just put it under his mattress and left t alone, he'd have more money than he does today.

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"It is often stated that Donald J. Trump has made a fortune in property by starting out with a much bigger fortune that he inherited from his father. If he had invested that money in a managed fund he would have much more money than he does today."

- and he would not have gone through so many bankruptcies on the way.

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"My understanding was that if he just put it under his mattress and left t alone, he'd have more money than he does today."

http://imgur.com/r/thesimpsons/gWK6Hpd

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"He could be a very good president, but only if they get him on the same medication they had Reagan on."

That reminds me of " The President's Brain is Missing"

Reagans went walkabout,the Trumpster has three out of four pistons missing (misfiring).

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He could be a very good president, but only if they get him on the same medication they had Reagan on

Could it possibly be that Reagan had been a professional politician, on both sides of the political spectrum, for so long that he knew the game off by heart? To even remotely compare Trump to Reagan is a colossal insult to a man who probably achieved more in one day than Trump has in his entire sad little, self-entitled lifetime.

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And in another Spitting Image reference, the relationship between Trump and May looks set to be another "One Man And His Poodle" just like Reagan/Thatcher.

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You know who did inherit loads of money, but invested it wisely and has increased their net worth?

Yup

>>>>>>>>

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There was a cartoon many years ago, probably in "Punch", of a man discovering a cobwebbed book in a cupboard - with the title "Learn Irish Dancing Volume 2 - arm movements".

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Or there is this one:

www.cartoonstock.com/cartoonview.asp?catref=emc0036&ANDkeyword=irish+dance&NOTkeyword=&TITLEkeyword=&categories=All+Categories&artists=All+Artists&mainArchive=mainArchive&newsCartoon=newsCartoon&vintage=vintage&colorOption1=colour&colorOption2=blackWhite&orientationOption1=portrait&orientationOption2=landscape&cp=0&limit=12

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A similar volume is also depicted in one of the Neil Gaiman Sandman graphic novel stories (iirc, on a shelf labelled 'Unwritten Books" in Morpheus's library).

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"Or there is this one:"

Thanks - that's probably the one I remembered. Recognise the cartoonist's name McLaclan - but I was thinking someone more like HoneySett. Their style is similar.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cartoon+honeysett

I should have Googled for it - but it had seemed likely to be too far in the past to be visible.

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"it had seemed likely to be too far in the past"

Ed McLachlan has been cartooning for well over 40 years, so it could be both.

I wouldn't say his style was that similar to the late Martin Honeysett, either. Their backgrounds are quite similar, but their figures are very different.

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I'm bored of Trump. When can we go back to discussing Paris endlessly?

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It's as if the political acumen of rich celebrities means nothing to the unwashed masses!

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"Presumably they’ve been worried about being upstaged..."

No, some of them are hyper-partisan Democrats who have decided that Trump won't ever be their president, and the rest are those who would be happy to put politics aside at this time, but are instead having to drop out so they don't appear on liberal blacklists and lose their income.

It's SOP for the Left; Attack not just your enemy but also anyone who won't attack with you. Jennifer Holliday (who is black and a patriot) had to drop out because of the death threats she received from supposedly tolerant progressives and other black people.

Basically many of those behind this boycott are filled with unreasoning rage because their candidate lost. Well some are, and others are still hiding in their safe spaces from the Trump-monster...

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Re: because their candidate lost

She got millions more votes though. Good democracy you've got there!

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Perhaps they wouldn't be seen dead on the same stage as a scumbag like him?

But no, of course they're being partisan whilst you have obviously put politics aside.

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Re: because their candidate lost

She got millions more votes though.

Hillary Clinton - Preferred by 2.8 million more people than the closest leading competitor.

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"some of them are hyper-partisan Democrats who have decided that Trump won't ever be their president"

As I recall, there were many hyper-partisan republicans who decided the same about Obama and probably would have decided the same about Hillary. There's always going to be zealots who will never be convinced. The question is will Trump recognise that he won the presidency but not the popular vote, and try and govern for all, or will he decide that a mandate is a mandate, and govern purely for the benefit of those who voted for him, or more likely for the benefit of himself and his friends?

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"As I recall, there were many hyper-partisan republicans who decided the same about Obama and probably would have decided the same about Hillary. There's always going to be zealots who will never be convinced."

However, I doubt those hyper-partisan republicans would claim to be "open-minded", "forward thinking", "tolerant" etc

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Agreed, they would claim to be "Patriotic", "Christian", "On the side of the ordinary working man" and "Not one of the elite"

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Re: because their candidate lost

She got millions more votes though. Good democracy you've got there!

First, it's not a democracy, never has been, and never will be; it's a democratic republic. Second, like it or not, it's not one national election it's 51 different elections.

It bears no similarity to the Super Bowl where the winner is the one with the most points. It's closer to the World Series where it doesn't matter how many points you score in each game, you have to win more games. Yes, there's a quirk where some games are more heavily weighted based on attendance but nothing's perfect.

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Basically many of those behind this boycott are filled with unreasoning rage because their candidate lost.

Like the people [read: Republicans] in 2008 who were filled with rage because a black man won?

Or perhaps they're filled with quite logical, reasoning dismay when they realize that a bigoted, clueless, narcissistic bullying liar has been elected president?

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Re: because their candidate lost

She got millions more votes though.

But he won according to the rules of the election. That's democracy for you, imperfect though it is.

Are you one of those who insists that we shouldn't leave the EU because Scotland and Nothern Ireland voted remain and/or it should have required more than 50%?

Democracy allows you to protest but not to demand that the rules change after then event when a vote goes against you.

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Re: Hyper-partisans

The question is will Trump recognise that he won the presidency but not the popular vote, and try and govern for all, or will he decide that a mandate is a mandate, and govern purely for the benefit of those who voted for him, or more likely for the benefit of himself and his friends?

The second.

He's been denying from the day after the election that he lost the popular vote, calling it a "landslide" win, and an "historic" win [yes, it IS historic, but not in a good way, being one of five times the president LOST the popular vote].

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Do you need to ask that question? If in doubt, you've seen his appointees.

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"Basically many of those behind this boycott are filled with unreasoning rage because their candidate lost. Well some are, and others are still hiding in their safe spaces from the Trump-monster..."

In just a few short hours it will be a monster armed with nuclear weapons.

I'd be looking for a safe space too...

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"As I recall, there were many hyper-partisan republicans who decided the same about Obama"

Indeed, Trump was one of them.. Constantly requesting access to Obamas birth certificate (Presumably in the hope of removing him from office on the grounds that he was not a US citizen).

If I remember rightly he also claimed it was fake when it was release (Though that might not have been him)

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