back to article Boffins link ALIEN STRUCTURE ON VENUS to Solar System's biggest ever grav wave

An enormous, mysteriously stationary structure high over the surface of Venus may be the largest gravity wave in the Solar System, according to Japanese astronomers. In 2015, cameras onboard the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) spacecraft Akatsuki captured images of a humungous boomerang-shaped bulge measuring more …

Def
Silver badge

Click baity headline is click bait

If all 'alien structures' are mountains, are all moutains alien structures? ;)

10
1
(Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

I remember when ironic headlines lampooning the bonkers Brit tabloid culture weren't called clickbait, they were just Register headlines. This is back before the kids ruined everything with their Upworthies and BuzzFeeds.

Oh well, if you want boring, ZDNet's that way ----->

C.

55
1
Silver badge

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

Na - just a type -should be its 'A LINE'.

2
0
Silver badge

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

I think that irony is misunderstood and the word misused a lot lately. The headline is parody and satire and it's corny but I'd say it's not ironic. If it turns out that it really is an alien structure than that would be ironic.

18
0

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

"If all 'alien structures' are mountains, are all moutains alien structures?"

adjective: alien

1. belonging to a foreign country.

2. unfamiliar and disturbing or distasteful.

3. supposedly from another world; extraterrestrial.

So the answer is "yes", if they're in another country, really weird looking or on another planet.

13
0

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

By that definition, anything extra-terrestrial would be alien, making the term redundant in this context. The whole planet Venus is alien. The word "Alien" in the clickbait headline is capitalised making it into a noun suggestive of "living aliens" rather than an entity.

2
5

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

"I think that irony is misunderstood and the word misused a lot lately. The headline is parody and satire and it's corny but I'd say it's not ironic."

Agreed. A much better example of irony would be that most, if not all, of the examples of irony in the song 'Isn't It Ironic' by Alanis Morissette aren't, in fact, ironic...

9
0
Silver badge

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

You are Ed Byrne AICMFP.

4
0

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

A much better example of irony would be that most, if not all, of the examples of irony in the song 'Isn't It Ironic' by Alanis Morissette aren't, in fact, ironic..."

Errm no, that's not irony either. Irony is when a statement expresses the opposite of (or at least something different to) it's literal interpretation. E.g. (lame example): "Alanis Morissette perfectly understands the meaning of the word ironic".

Anyhow, I guess "Isn't it annoying?" doesn't quite have the same ring to it. Still a catchy tune, though (no irony intended).

0
1

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

Is it or is it not ironic that a person seeks to establish their intellectual superiority by asserting one meaning of the word "irony":

- the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect;

while apparently failing to be aware of another:

- a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often wryly amusing as a result.

?

4
0
Silver badge

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

The majority of Reg readers, and other star gazers (armchair or otherwise) know that 'Alien Megastructure' is shorthand for 'Hmm, we've observed something weird that we can't yet explain'. The use of the phrase isn't to deceive, but to make you feel a part of the gang you in the joke.

Were a flying saucer the size of Australia suddenly appear in Earth orbit, I'd likely hear about it on the radio ("We interrupt this broadcast with a special bulletin..." ) and would then drive straight to the pub. There I can find beer, lots of beer, some physicists and, should the UFO prove to unfriendly, a willing member of barstaff to spend my last five minutes with.

4
0

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

I actually came here to reprise a question I asked months ago:

Aren't ALL structures on Venus 'alien' structures?

3
0
(Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

Re: Re: Click baity headline is click bait

"Aren't ALL structures on Venus 'alien' structures?"

Yes. That's the gag.

C.

11
0

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

I suppose 'Boffins find Huge Hidden Structure of Extraterrestrial Origin on Venus' would have been even clickier.

P

1
0

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

@Gobhicks

a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often wryly amusing as a result.

I was/am genuinely not aware of that alternative meaning of irony. Do you have a reference?

Not claiming any intellectual superiority, BTW (if I was, then surely so are you, which I'm sure you're not [no irony intended]). Just being pedantic.

0
0
Joke

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

"Isn't it ironic" is a question and is not semantically equivalent to the statement "All that follows is (or is not) ironic".

If all that follows is clearly not ironic then the question itself *could* be intended to be ironic, with the implication that the positor of the question is well aware of the lack of irony and is precipitating in the respondent the notion that the non-ironic observations may be ironic when they are not.

Or the positor is just using "ironic" poetically or even perhaps ignorantly.

Pays your money. Takes your choice.

Either way, it's a catchy little ditty.

1
0
Silver badge

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

A much better example of irony would be that most, if not all, of the examples of irony in the song 'Isn't It Ironic' by Alanis Morissette aren't, in fact, ironic...

I agree, there wasn't a single example of anyone ironing in the entire song.

6
0
Silver badge

Re: Click baity headline is click bait

"Were a flying saucer the size of Australia suddenly appear in Earth orbit, I'd likely hear about it on the radio ("We interrupt this broadcast with a special bulletin..." ) and would then drive straight to the pub. There I can find beer, lots of beer, "

Don't forget the peanuts. And the towel.

1
0
Silver badge

Wrong planet

Looks like the visitors buried their monolith on the wrong planet.

12
0
Silver badge
Alien

Re: Wrong planet

Maybe it's buried there so we don't find it until we're advanced enough.

And who says it's put there for us to find!

Obviously --------------->

3
0
Silver badge

Re: Wrong planet

Somewhere there's a star child going, *facepalm*

8
0
Silver badge

You're slipping

Surely it's a megastructure not just a boring old structure.

0
0
Bronze badge

I welcome our Venusian Overlords.

Thought I'd get that one in before anyone else. :)

8
0

Alert Dan Dare!

0
0

Will nobody think of the tax payers?

Let me check I've understood this correctly. You're telling me that if you want to detect gravity waves, there was no need to spend $620million overhauling the LIGO detectors? We could have just pointed a telescope at Venus?

10
4
Boffin

Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

Had to upvote this, because my eyebrows crawled way up my forehead as well.

Something that normally requires something of the magnitude of black holes smacking into each other and then sets of microscopic shifts and here there's one covering half a planet?

I though El Reg was oversimplifying for clickbaity reasons but reading the abstract in Nature that's precisely what they're saying: mountain gravity waves.

Anybody here able to explain what they mean? Same term for something different?

7
1

Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

gravitational waves transport energy as gravitational radiation, a form of radiant energy similar to electromagnetic radiation.

gravity wave - a wave propagated on a liquid surface or in a fluid through the effects of gravity.

31
0
Thumb Up

Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

@SpaceInvader.

Thanks for the clarification.

The article makes a whole lot more sense now.

3
0

Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

They are entirely different things. Gravity waves are mundane, easy to see and to measure. Gravitational waves are so small and faint as to be virtually undetectable, even the ones created when black holes collide.

This one is a gravity wave.

The ones detected by LIGO are gravitational waves.

Not the same thing.

However I do agree with you that the similarity in terminology is an open door to confusion.

20
0

Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

Thanks for the clarifications from me too. I knew I must have misunderstood something.

4
0
Alien

Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

It's obvious, someone is using an artificial singularity to generate power deep inside their mountain lair.

7
0
Silver badge

Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

Thank you, Spacedinvader, for that clarification.

It is a pity the Reg could not make it that clear in the first place. They seem to have lost all their science-qualified writers who could examine critically a press release or abstract rather than just copying the words.

5
6
Silver badge
Boffin

Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

Thanks for the clarification everyone. I assumed it was a translation error.

gravity wave != gravitational wave, got it.

4
0
Silver badge

Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

"gravity wave - a wave propagated on a liquid surface or in a fluid through the effects of gravity."

Only problem with applying that definition to the phenomenon observed on Venus is that the 'wave' is stationary and so isn't 'propagated'.

My best guess (lacking data) would be that it's an amplified mountain wave, the amplification coming from the combination of the high density and speed, and therefore momentum, of Venus's atmosphere. Purely a guess though.

0
1
Holmes

Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

If the fluid is moving and the phenomenon is stationary, then it's surely it is being propagated.

3
0
(Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

Re: Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

"It is a pity the Reg could not make it that clear in the first place. They seem to have lost all their science-qualified writers who could examine critically a press release or abstract rather than just copying the words."

Are you kidding me??? We used the correct term in the correct context, and we're the ones who screwed up?

So you're saying we have to caveat everything we write in case someone doesn't understand. You want articles that read like: "The board has 4GB of RAM – that's readable-writeable memory not read-only ROM - and an ARMv8 CPU - that's CPU not GPU..."

Get outta here.

PS: The article was written by someone with an astrophysics degree and edited by someone with an engineering degree.

C.

14
0

Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

"Mountain Gravity waves"?

Surely you're not asking if James Cameron's groundbreaking creative vision and nuanced story telling was actually a documentary?

Jokes aside - WTF? Something very odd going on here.

0
0
Silver badge

Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

"If the fluid is moving and the phenomenon is stationary *, then it's surely it is being propagated." [my emphasis]

How can something that even you describe as 'stationary' * be regarded as propagating?

But if you're going to use that criteria then you'd also have to say that the surface of Venus is being propagated.

Hmm... no idea why the superscript tag also seems to be inserting an underline today.

0
1
Silver badge
Joke

Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

"PS: The article was written by someone with an astrophysics degree and edited by someone with an engineering degree."

Yeahbut, are they proper degrees from proper universities or are they from trendy new lefty-liberal ex-polytechnics?

0
0
Silver badge

Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

Looks like a strikeout. Note the height of the bar.

The pages HTML shows an s tag, not a sup tag. Unless El Reg has filtered your post, it looks more like your own error rather than something more suspicious.

testy thingy

****strikeout**** and ****superscript****

0
0
Silver badge

Re: Will nobody think of the tax payers?

@JB(NB) Yup - you're right - definitely suffering from memory fade.

0
0
Slx

It'll turn out to be something like slow moving sulphur snow clouds or something we aren't used to looking at. The scale of it would seem far too big to be anything artificial or life-based. Although, there's no harm in sending a probe to take a look...

1
0

By the time the probe gets there, the "aliens" will have scampered off to Alpha Centauri or where-ever they came from.

Besides, the probe will be fried within minutes in the sulphuric acid atmosphere of Venus as the Soviets found out when they sent their probes.

3
0
Silver badge

The scale of it would seem far too big to be anything artificial or life-based. Although, there's no harm in sending a probe to take a look...

"The chances of anything come from Mars are a million to one." I say we don't ring the door bell until we know where we can run away and hide.

3
0
Silver badge
Alert

No one would have believed, in the early years of the twenty-first century, that human affairs were being watched from the timeless worlds of space. No one could have dreamed that we were being scrutinized, as someone with a microscope studies creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. Few men even considered the possibility of life on other planets and yet, across the gulf of space, minds immeasurably superior to ours regarded this Earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely, they drew their plans against us.

7
0
Anonymous Coward

@smartermind

" the probe will be fried within minutes in the sulphuric acid atmosphere of Venus"

So it sounds like we need to fund research into developing probes that are made out of sulphuric acid so they can withstand the Venusian atmosphere. I'd think $1.5 Beeeellion and 20 years should do it.

1
0

This is a job for...

Dan Dare.

8
0

Re: This is a job for...

Aha, it must be down to the Treens.

0
0
Silver badge

Re: This is a job for...

The arc is probably the 'Silicon mass' being controlled by the Mekon.

0
0
Silver badge

Today's pedantry

at approximately 100 metres per second (223 miles per hour)

Do I really need to say?

1
0

Page:

POST COMMENT House rules

Not a member of The Register? Create a new account here.

  • Enter your comment

  • Add an icon

Anonymous cowards cannot choose their icon

Forums

Biting the hand that feeds IT © 1998–2018