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Over to North Dakota, US, now and a new front in the war against cyber-smut has opened up. A proposed law will force porno-blocking filters onto computers and smartphones sold in the conservative state – with a charge to remove the censorship. Bill 1185 [PDF] will require laptops, cellphones and other internet-capable devices …

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Taleban

Conservative state? More like Taleban State.

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Re: Taleban

I love it how all these far-right nut jobs are claiming that the other parties are trying to enact Sharia Law in the US, when they are trying to implement it themselves (Except with a slightly different bearded middle-eastern guy as their mascot)

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Re: Taleban

Talibaptists actually.

However, still not enough upvotes for you!

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Japan now inaccessible from North Dakota!

Oh fuck.

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Re: Japan now inaccessible from North Dakota!

Oh fuck.

503 Service unavailable, cross the state line and retry your request.

Though the more appropriate will be for the state legislature web site to return 418. It is one case where this error code is spot on way too many levels.

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Re: Japan now inaccessible from North Dakota!

error code 418? What about 422 "unprocessable entity", or perhaps error 426 should be applied to members of the legislature that fail to laugh in the face of the people drafting this POS ...

slightly more seriously - does any use 451 "Unavailable for Legal Reasons" - that would seem to be the actual code that should be used?

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Re: Japan now inaccessible from North Dakota! (Error 418)

That is the error for "I'm a teapot" - Maybe they could file an RFC for "481: I'm a crackpot"

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The Register now inaccessible from North Dakota!

....after 'Destroy All Monsters' posted dirty word.

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Re: Japan now inaccessible from North Dakota!

Could be worse, the porn site could respond back with "411 - Length Required"

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Move along, there's nothing to see.....

Crackpot bills (submitted by crackpot legislators) are submitted all of the time.

It doesn't mean that it has a chance of passing.

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Re: Move along, there's nothing to see.....

Well get him his pills, then!

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Re: Move along, there's nothing to see.....

Probably has a very good chance of passing...

Why are these people allowed out on their own? I assume they're allowed to own automatic weapons and drive fast cars, but does someone make sure they aren't allowed near sharp objects or matches?

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Re: Move along, there's nothing to see.....

If there's a crackpot at the top, it has a very good chance of passing.

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Re: Move along, there's nothing to see.....

"Well get him his pills, then!"

Dried frog pills, I trust

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Re: Move along, there's nothing to see.....

Don't hold your breath on that.... It may very well pass given the way things have been going lately. I'm not sure if things are actually getting worse or if the idiots are getting more press coverage since the election. There's a another state pulling a similar stunt.

Some things are just un-frikkin-believable... and this is one of them.

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Re: Move along, there's nothing to see.....

Too bad for you he just had his last speech!

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Re: Move along, there's nothing to see.....

"Why are these people allowed out on their own?"

Because all the nursing homes are over-crowded? It seems that the only difference between Congress and a nursing home is that Congress gets more funding. Last time I was there, the place was a sea of crazy old white guys that look like they'd die if you breathed near them.

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Re: Move along, there's nothing to see.....

Semi-automatic, really. Fully automatic is very very pricey since you can only buy them if they were made before 1986. And yes, there's a big difference between the two.

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Re: Move along, there's nothing to see.....

It doesn't mean that it has a chance of passing.

You've not been keeping up with the times, have you?

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"go to funding human trafficking victims,"

While I'd ba happy to pay for rehabilitation etc. for victims I think it's a little hipocritical to use the money from a porn filter to fund more victims!

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Re: "go to funding human trafficking victims,"

Rhino exactley what you mean.

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Re: Good luck with that one.

"Brilliant law guys, just fekkin brilliant. When even the blind guy can see the flaws in something, what does that say about the twits whom produced it?"

Or even the twits who voted them in.

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Re: Good luck with that one.

"I can already see the residents driving over state lines to purchase their devices elsewhere that doesn't have such a boneheaded bullshit policy."

hopefully, THAT reality will just kill it to death, deader than hell [as it ought to be]

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On the plus side it will kill the internet of things/shit.

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WTF?

Linux and DD-WRT

Who is the manufacturer who is required to provide the filter?

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Re: Linux and DD-WRT

I'd guess the writers of the bill would say that it would be the vendor/supplier of the device to the end-user rather than the manufacturer that'll be responsible.

I'd like to say that it's moot as there's no chance of such a ridiculous bill passing any kind of legislative body not comprised of complete numpties. Then I remembered who they're about to inaugurate as their President.

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Re: Linux and DD-WRT

"Who is the manufacturer who is required to provide the filter?"

I bet they'll just outlaw anything other than "Windows for Wussies" (encumbered Win-10-nic) and expect everyone to just comply.

And, maybe they'll require ISPs to "filter" any downloads of ISO or IMG files for non-Windows operating systems as "potential pr0n" or something

I suppose you could have a few people illegally distributing non-compliant ISO and IMG files. Add more fun, pre-load them with *PR0N* in the form of wallpapers and screen savers. And a whole lot of anime screenshots, too (particularly furo scenes). Yum!

Their 'final solution':

"Wait... what's that 451 message doing on freebsd.org? I can't access the site any more!"

a sad day indeed, when you must manually configure Tor to go to the darknet to get an update for Firefox (or a non-windows OS) that does NOT include the pr0n filter...

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Re: Linux and DD-WRT

And who is in charge of deciding what sites need to be blocked, and on what basis?

Sounds almost like NK to me.

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@Bob

Why furo? Bath scenes aren't generally particularly risque.

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North Dakota is a very low population state

If I was say Apple or Dell, I'd just refuse to sell my products to residents of that state. Not financially worth the cost of making special provisions for such a small number of customers. Let's see how the state legislators react when angry constituents call them when they can't buy a new iPhone or Dell XPS 13.

Nevermind how third parties like Amazon are supposed to handle this. They aren't allowed to add software to the phones and computers they resell, so they may have no option but to refuse permission to sell stuff too. All it will do is create hassle for citizens of the state as they will have to go to neighboring states to buy phones and computers.

I hope they pass this law, the fallout will be a great object lesson to anyone else who gets such a stupid idea. A state the size of California or New York can get away with stuff like this, but not the little or even medium sized ones.

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Re: North Dakota is a very low population state

Forget the next state. I-29 is in North Dakota which goes through to Canada.

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Re: North Dakota is a very low population state

The state legislatures, their families and the state itself wouldn't be able to buy new gear. That's where such policies would really bite.

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Re: North Dakota is a very low population state

There is the question of what exactly is an end device? Where is the line on the spectrum of 'complete system, ready to use' and 'a pile of parts that needs to be assembled'?

If I were to sell a computer sans hard disk to someone in North Dakota, would I have to provide them with blocking software? What if I sell them a hard drive and ship it in a separate parcel? What about a complete system, but doesn't have the OS installed?

I am also curious as to what constitutes a new machine, if I re-use my old hard disk in a new system, does it need the blocking software?

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How would this even work?

I mean, software on a pc, once reformatted? Same thing for a phone - ok technical, but easy circumventable (and not even getting into proxies/vpns) but then, game consoles with browsers and their ilk?

It doesn't seem feasible from a device point of view. ISP level I could understand a list being maintained (and, again, easily overcome, or should that be, over cum)

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Re: How would this even work?

And if you order your device online, is it Amazon's / (insert online vendor of choice) responsibility to add a filter to every device posted to a North Dakota address?

How do elected representatives get to be this stupid and still have a job?

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Re: How would this even work?

What if you have a permit to view lurid images? Do you have to submit the paperwork to Amazon so they don't install the block?

For that matter, how would disabling work anyway? Do you get a special code that disables it or is it based on IP address or something? What would prevent someone from sharing the method of disabling the block?

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Re: How would this even work?

The kinds of people who dream up things like this think of computers as little magic boxes that can do most anything if you just ask the tiny wizard living inside nicely enough. Like how a blurred, low-resolution image from a security cam can eventually be transformed into a clear picture of a suspect if the boss simply says the magic word "enhance" enough times over the technician's shoulder.

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Re: How would this even work?

Like how a blurred, low-resolution image from a security cam can eventually be transformed into a clear picture of a suspect if the boss simply says the magic word "enhance" enough times over the technician's shoulder.

Well it works of crime drama TV, doesn't it?

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"face-to-face encounter, either in person or through other means"

I really don't fancy a face-to-face encounter without my person being there at the same time.

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Obscene material - not defined.

The swearing in photos of most of the rather porky and quite ugly senators... if i can get a filter to hide the "show business for ugly people" that is politics, then i am all for it...

wait... they're trying to block tities? Yes, folks your bodies are evil and that infallible god we seem to be bewitched by, made them that way.... whatta guy!

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Re: Obscene material - not defined.

According to North Dakota Century Code

As used in this chapter, the terms "obscene material" and "obscene performance" mean material or a performance which:

a. Taken as a whole, the average person, applying contemporary North Dakota standards, would find predominantly appeals to a prurient interest;

b. Depicts or describes in a patently offensive manner sexual conduct, whether normal or perverted; and

c. Taken as a whole, the reasonable person would find lacking in serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

Whether material or a performance is obscene must be judged with reference to ordinary adults, unless it appears from the character of the material or the circumstances of its dissemination that the material or performance is designed for minors or other specially susceptible audience, in which case the material or performance must be judged with reference to that type of audience.

I suppose point c covers just about anything, and as Tom Lehrer sang

"I could tell you things about Peter Pan, and the Wizard of Oz, there's a dirty old man!"

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Re: Obscene material - not defined.

Well, that's the BBC banned there, considering they just posted a photo of a monkey humping a deer in Japan on their main news site. Did they get any age confirmation from the participants?

Actually, considering the new draconian anti-porn laws here in the UK, I'm not so sure it's doesn't fall foul of them too, Interspecies bestiality on the BBC?

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How long before the UK government proposes the same?

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I thought that has already been tried? Wasn't there an article here about it?

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Now THAT is worth hacking

One of the most fun things to do to that system would not breaking it, but adding all local government related sites. I'd give it two days, tops.

Note to idiotic law enforcement: this is a humour/sarcasm, not an incitement to crime. The crime is seeking to impose censorship by starting with X rated materials - most people recognise the thin edge of a wedge..

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Re: Now THAT is worth hacking

also add the IRS, and tell them that State law means you can't file your taxes electronically? :)

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Re: Now THAT is worth hacking

The law aims to ban pornographic material, yes?

All you do is get a sufficiently large number of people to claim that the local government websites are actually pornographic (in an extremely deviant manner) and really ought to be blocked so that young minds are not corrupted by the filth therein.

Then block these sites as per the law.

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Re: Now THAT is worth hacking

All you do is get a sufficiently large number of people to claim that the local government websites are actually pornographic (in an extremely deviant manner) and really ought to be blocked so that young minds are not corrupted by the filth therein.

Cool, crowd blocking. I like it :).

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