back to article Drones will be able to carry 120GB footage of you in the shower if Seagate has its way

Seagate is partnering with drone maker DJI to develop onboard storage for its unmanned aerial vehicles. They say drone cameras are gaining resolution and flight times are getting longer, both of which mean more data needs to be stored in flight. DJI's Inspire 2 drone can record 5.5K video for example, and a 25-minute flight …

Steve Davies 3
Silver badge

Where are the Drone Jammers then?

So that we can stop the voyeurs who fly these things in their tracks?

Otherwise I predict a big increase in applications for Shotgun licenses. Yeah I know it is illegal but pointing a camera mounted on a drone through a bedroom window is also illegal.

Rob Crawford

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Please tell me you don't believe in the voyeur/pedophile/pervert and a drone crap.

I mean really please return my faith in the IQ of people

NotBob
Coat

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Shotgun license? We just walk in to Walmart or the local gun shop and walk out with one. Grab a couple boxes of bird shot, too. Remember, kids, gun control means using both hands, so you're probably going to have to put the beer down.

Mine's the one with the sawed-off mossberg in it.

auburnman

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

It will happen. Maybe not at any significant scale, but at least someone will try it if only to see if it can be done (and/or they can get away with it.) Also don't forget there's money to be made by the paparrazi rats if they can catch the latest supermodels going topless or celebrities doing crack in a hedge or whatever sells the rags these days.

HieronymusBloggs
Silver badge

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

"Please tell me you don't believe in the voyeur/pedophile/pervert and a drone crap."

Given the propensity of the listed types to take advantage of available technology, I take it you forgot the joke icon.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Some parts of the world are a bit more civilised and you just can't walk into the local ASDA and buy a gun unless it is a toy one.

m0rt
Silver badge

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Think that people are missing a trick.

Don't need a shotgun, airgun, catapult.

All you need is a fishing rod, with a decent weight on the end. Bit of casting practice, with a decent heavyweight line...

auburnman

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Best bit about the fishing rod is if you down a drone you can prove it was flying within X feet of you, possibly supporting any related complaints of trespass or harassment if the operator comes looking for their gear back.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Ignoring the ridiculousness of the justification here,

I foresee a future of high powered infrared illuminators. Digital camera sensors are quite sensitive to IR (as it helps give the right colour balance and improves low-light imaging). I reckon enough IR could white-out a camera so that it can't get any useful footage anyway.

Yes, they come with IR filters, but they don't completely block the IR for the above reasons.

m0rt
Silver badge

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Lasers can easily destroy ccds.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

" there's money to be made by the paparrazi rats if they can catch the latest supermodels going topless or celebrities doing crack in a hedge"

The solution to this problem is social reprogramming so that nudity is no longer an issue, then seeing a star naked will loose its appeal.... unfortunately we still have hangups left over from the puritan past....

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Please tell me you don't believe in the voyeur/pedophile/pervert and a drone crap.

I do, as I've witnessed it. I'm with the shotgun people on this.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Some parts of the world are a bit more civilised and you just can't walk into the local ASDA and buy a gun unless it is a toy one.

Are you saying that more civilised parts of the world don't have ASDAs? I suspect that if you had ASDA in those areas of the world they'd stock just the same as the other shops or risk losing out on sales. The only thing that surprised me is that there aren't more holdups at Walmart given that the tools for it are effectively sold in the shop.

Or maybe they don't sell ski masks?

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

All you need is a fishing rod, with a decent weight on the end. Bit of casting practice, with a decent heavyweight line...

Ah, so THAT's what fly fishing is. I was wondering ..

:)

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Lasers can easily destroy ccds.

Unfortunately too dangerous unless you can assure it's aimed properly. You don't want to miss and light up a cockpit instead.

Or would an IR laser be able to cook its way through a filter?

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

I foresee a future of high powered infrared illuminators. Digital camera sensors are quite sensitive to IR (as it helps give the right colour balance and improves low-light imaging). I reckon enough IR could white-out a camera so that it can't get any useful footage anyway.

You could even use normal light. There are no real laws against lighting up the sky to light up an object unless you're close to a flight path, and there are plenty "bazillion lumens torch" projects on Youtube. That said, the benefit of IR flooding is that you would not actually have to aim.

The benefit of targeted light is, of course, that it makes it much easier to hit the damn thing too so maybe it's worth combining things. All you then need to do is work on a tracer that identifies the owner before he takes flight (pardon the pun).

Titus Aduxass
Holmes

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Drone Jammers?

Also known as a pair of curtains...

m0rt
Silver badge

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

"Unfortunately too dangerous unless you can assure it's aimed properly. You don't want to miss and light up a cockpit instead."

Seriously? Where do you live? In landing path at Heathrow? Aside from the fact that any drone use in an area where the odds of lighting up a cockpit are high due to flight paths etc.

The odds of lighting up a cockpit by accident are very, very small for most of the UK, especially if aiming for a drone which happens to be casting its beady eye on you.

Tom 7
Silver badge

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

If you try videoing me from your drone I'm gonna get naked and you are going to be vomiting all over your shiny and writing it off!

Stevie
Silver badge

Re: Please tell me you don't believe in the voyeur/pedophile/pervert and a drone crap.

Only as much as you believe in the out-of-control moron with a shotgun crap, Mr Crawford.

Takes all sorts to make a world.

A world of shotgun owners.

A world of drone owners.

Same pool of morons for both.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

I shower wearing a fake moustache and a sombrero so no one will know it's me if someone does use a drone in this manner.

Cynic_999
Silver badge

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

"

Given the propensity of the listed types to take advantage of available technology,

"

Except that drone technology is unlikely to satisfy that particular goal. Firstly, there are very few places where a person would be visible to a drone while involved in a "private act". Are *you* usually able to be seen from the air while doing anything sexual (or even merely naked)? Secondly the skill required to get a drone to record clear images from close enough to see much even with an HD camera is not trivial (even in auto-pilot mode). Thirdly drones make a fair amount of noise, so getting close enough without the person noticing is unlikely. Fourthly the battery life is measured in minutes, so by the time you have flown to & from location you won't have much time to record much.

If your goal is to take photos of naked people, just take a holiday at a naturist resort and carry a camera in your swim bag.

Cynic_999
Silver badge

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Trespass is not a criminal matter in the UK, and prevention of trespass would certainly not be a valid defence to a charge of criminal damage to property worth several £100. I think that the guy with the fishing rod is far more likely to find himself hauled before a court than the guy flying the drone.

Not to mention who would be held responsible should you cause the drone to crash into an expensive car or kill a child.

Cynic_999
Silver badge

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

"

I do, as I've witnessed it.

"

Exactly what have you witnessed, and where?

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

The odds of lighting up a cockpit by accident are very, very small for most of the UK, especially if aiming for a drone which happens to be casting its beady eye on you.

You don't act safely by assuming a risk does NOT exist (which is apparently the approach of most drone operators), you assume risk until you can prove it does not exist, has a very low likelihood or you have found a way to mitigate it. IR lasers, for instance, won't harm visual acuity for pilots so they're a valid mitigation.

I would naturally research how and where I can down a drone with low risk and with as much plausible deniability as I can muster - maybe I ought to find a way to better aim clay pigeons :)

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

I shower wearing a fake moustache and a sombrero so no one will know it's me if someone does use a drone in this manner.

Ooh yes. I could do a roaring trade in Tony Blair, Trump and Theresa May masks for that purpose. Good idea.

DougS
Silver badge

@Cynic_999 - being seen from the air while naked

Well ignoring that some people might like to sunbathe naked by their fenced in pool in their backyard, it isn't uncommon for people to be naked indoors in rooms without the shades drawn, if it is facing their backyard or on the second floor. You shouldn't have to worry about drones with a telephoto lens filming inside your bedroom from 100' away through your window.

I rather like the idea of lasering them and destroying their CCDs. Finally a real use for a laser pen!

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Not to mention who would be held responsible should you cause the drone to crash into an expensive car or kill a child.

Whereas contributing to a plane crash is, of course, entirely acceptable...

GruntyMcPugh
Silver badge

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Oh please, not this again,... I went for a walk around Dovedale on Monday, I heard some guy flying a drone over the River Dove,.... from about 400m away, hardly stealthy. The cameras on these things are wide angle, so not much use for snooping. You should worry instead about your nosy neighbour with a DSLR on a tripod, who can silently zoom in on your activities, if you leave your curtains open.

Roland6
Silver badge
Pint

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Asda is just Walmart, but with a reduced range; which actually adds an interesting dimension to your observation.

I think one reason Walmart kept the Asda name was to help visiting US nationals: I'm sure some would vocally complain if they couldn't buy shotguns etc. in a UK Walmart - because isn't the UK the 53rd state?.

Voland's right hand
Silver badge

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

In your garage.

You most likely use it quite often.

It is called a pressure washer. Very complicated bit of kit you know.

Connect it to a garden hose, an electric socket and put some bog standard garden paint or decking treatment instead of the detergent in the attachment bottle. Press the trigger. Depending on the model you get 10-15m range at the right wash setting. So if the drone is anywhere within "paedo/voyeur" range it is a write-off.

Rob Crawford

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

I take it from your comment that your experience of multi rotors and the cameras they can lift is non existent.

FYI they're noisy, very obvious and the cameras they carry are very limited unless you are going to spend a hell of a lot of money to hoist a DSLR into the air.

Remember when mobile phones with cameras where banned for the same reasons.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

Of course you did

cork.dom@gmail.com

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

You clearly have never attempted to point a normal handheld camera through a window from approx 10m away have you? If you did, you will notice your picture doesn't contain much detail of the room through the window... You generally get a picture of a window and nothing else.

Add the facts drones are incredibly noisy and do not have optical zooms and you will realise a drone is a completely useless spying tool. Nobody uses them for voyeuristic activities. Stop believing the media hysteria.

cork.dom@gmail.com

Re: @Cynic_999 - being seen from the air while naked

I have not yet seen a consumer drone on the market that has an optical zoom or a telephoto lense.

If i wanted to see naked people, there are plenty of web sites on the internet to fulfill that need which would be far easier and safer than attempting to capture a grainy badly lit sneaky photo of a neighbour through a window with a very noisy drone.

Seriously people - drones DO NOT make good spying / voyeur tools and you really shouldn't believe everything your read in the papers.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

You should worry instead about your nosy neighbour with a DSLR on a tripod, who can silently zoom in on your activities, if you leave your curtains open

Him I can catch easily, and he won't be able to quickly run away on account of actually living there so that's not a comparable threat. Unless he uses a drone for it, of course :).

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

It is called a pressure washer. Very complicated bit of kit you know.

Ah yes, the stuff that Kärcher used to do very well until they started to do a Mercedes on the quality (I have family in the DIY trade, and especially the cheaper ones now form a large part of their warranty returns).

Hmm. I wonder how much effort it would be to hide a steerable nozzle in between the fountain ones (so it looks like a failed jet instead of a non-deniable action to hose the thing out of the sky).

Hello new DIY project :).

Fred Flintstone
Gold badge

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

If you try videoing me from your drone I'm gonna get naked and you are going to be vomiting all over your shiny and writing it off!

Hah! If I go naked the camera will probably break ..

:)

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

You clearly have never attempted to point a normal handheld camera through a window from approx 10m away have you? If you did, you will notice your picture doesn't contain much detail of the room through the window... You generally get a picture of a window and nothing else.

Well, if we're going to throw the word "clearly" around, you clearly have never heard of a pola filter. Any photographer knows that a polarisation filter will remove the glare from that window as if it was never there. Besides, you are also assuming the room is dark - during a normal sunlit day* you can quite comfortably see into the room as a bit of Streetview surfing will show.

* OK, those are a tad more sparse in Blighty, but even normal daylight tends to be enough if the window is sufficiently large

Fred Flintstone
Gold badge

Re: @Cynic_999 - being seen from the air while naked

I have not yet seen a consumer drone on the market that has an optical zoom or a telephoto lens.

Well, here you are. Anything else I can help you with?

If i wanted to see naked people, there are plenty of web sites on the internet to fulfill that need which would be far easier and safer than attempting to capture a grainy badly lit sneaky photo of a neighbour through a window with a very noisy drone.

There's difference between a voyeur and someone who likes to look at dodgy pictures. Voyeurs get off on the act, not so much on the result other than as mementos of aforementioned act. Both are compulsions, but they have different modus operandi. That's also why I prefer to call government surveillance voyeurism; evidently it's the act they love, because the lack of outcome should have ended that quite a while back...

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

You are Homer Sanchez and I claim my five pounds.

Anonymous Coward
FAIL

Re: @Cynic_999 - being seen from the air while naked

@Fred.

Did you look at the price and sizes?

So you are talking $500+ for the camera, plus the mounts and lenses, then the drone to haul that weight up, say $5000

Hardly "Consumer"

Cynic_999
Silver badge

Re: @Cynic_999 - being seen from the air while naked

There is a magnitude greater probability that the guy in his garden will be seen by someone cleaning his gutters (or the kids next door deliberately looking through/over the fence), and the person in the room seen from a passing lorry or double-decker bus. A drone's useless for that type of thing. Drones can't carry telephoto cameras until you get to the extremely expensive professional camera platform variety (too much vibration & instability for a long lens), and a normal CCD camera would in any case adjust it's exposure to the outdoors and show the inside of the room as a black hole.

And in any case so what? People who are so body-shy that they would be hugely upset by the idea that they might be seen while undressed should not indulge in naked activities in any place that has line-of-sight to anywhere outside the property.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Where are the Drone Jammers then?

You clearly have never attempted to point a normal handheld camera through a window from approx 10m away have you?

I have, across the Thames (to be precise, next to the Battersea bridge). I took rather good shots through the windows of a house on the Chelsea side standing on the Battersea side of the Thames, with a fairly normal camera with a 55x lens (I think it was a £300 or so Panasonic Lumix or similar - this was 10 years ago), precisely because a friend of mine who lived there wanted to find out just how much could be seen.

The answer, FYI, was "not much" from the quay level angle as his place was a few floors up, but from a higher floor of the office block right next to the bridge it was possible to look in without much effort. For reference, 55x means that you can get the license plate on a car on the opposite side to fill the frame, but at that point you're into digital magnification so resolution goes to pot. That was, by the way, only with an UV filter.

However, you don't fly that far away from what you want to film with a drone, or you have somewhat missed the point ;)

Fred Flintstone
Gold badge

Re: @Cynic_999 - being seen from the air while naked

Did you look at the price and sizes?

So you are talking $500+ for the camera, plus the mounts and lenses, then the drone to haul that weight up, say $5000

Sure, but where there is "pro" there is usually a consumer who made his own because making things is just the sort of challenge that gets a tech person going. All I wanted to demonstrate is that it is not that hard to add a degree of tele zoom to a drone camera, nor is it hard to look into a room.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: @Cynic_999 - being seen from the air while naked

@Cynic_999, You're correct that a large telezoom would be useless due to vibration as well as loss of light - only a small one would work.

People who are so body-shy that they would be hugely upset by the idea that they might be seen while undressed should not indulge in naked activities in any place that has line-of-sight to anywhere outside the property.

Ah, but that's the whole issue: drones do a Google Streetview alike peek over the line of sight prevention that people put in place to guard their privacy, that is the exact problem. If you were only able to fly a drone at eye height there wouldn't be an issue, but that would be a pointless exercise.

That said, drone enthusiasts can prevent a lot of irritation and upset if they respect other people's privacy. There is plenty of room to avoid problems, and even where it cannot be avoided a polite knock on the door and a quick, friendly chat goes a very long way to avoid misunderstandings and unpleasantness.

You know, being social and considerate and all that instead of being selfish - it works. Even if it doesn't work you will then at least know in advance to keep the car engine running :)

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: @Cynic_999 - being seen from the air while naked

Seriously people - drones DO NOT make good spying / voyeur tools and you really shouldn't believe everything your read in the papers.

What do you recommend, then?

DougS
Silver badge

Drone camera quality

It doesn't matter what the camera quality is today. What were the cameras on phones like a decade ago? Now they have much better quality, resolution, and optical stabilization. The only reason they don't have optical zoom is that they can't fit that in a thin smartphone profile. That wouldn't be a concern on a drone. Drone voyeurism will be more practical in a few years than it is today, just like having your smartphone as your only camera is a lot more practical today than it was in 2009.

As for the noise, if you have a decently insulated house and the window isn't open, how are you going to hear a drone from 100'? I can barely hear my next day neighbor's lawn mower, that's closer than 100' and louder than a drone.

Rob Crawford

Re: Please tell me you don't believe in the voyeur/pedophile/pervert and a drone crap.

What are you talking about, are you making up statements I have not made?

What is the problem with me flying my radio control aircraft around an area where the flying of model aircraft is permitted?

What is the problem with proximity flying within abandoned buildings?

There is none, but for some reason you have decided to classify me as a moron, I'm afraid that you really need to educate yourself and on more than the matter of flying radio control models (because that's what they are)

Rob Crawford

Re: @Cynic_999 - being seen from the air while naked

Somehow I don't think anybody will be spending a few grand on building a large machine to hoist a camera with a large lens into the air to photograph you in your house.

You do realise that any commonly available machine doesn't have much more than a go-pro on board, even the nice DJI cameras are fairly high quality but still have action cam type optics.

The behemoths that carry the kit for what you are referring to are large, loud and expensive (I know enough licensed commercial operators)

But then again who is worried about reality when you can simply invent deviants to rail against

Page:

POST COMMENT House rules

Not a member of The Register? Create a new account here.

  • Enter your comment

  • Add an icon

Anonymous cowards cannot choose their icon

Biting the hand that feeds IT © 1998–2018