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One of the UK’s biggest slingers of print services has warned customers it can no longer afford to fully soak up rising prices from printer hardware makers, which jumped after the EU referendum and now look like permanent mark-ups. Danwood has written to clients that have a service or print services agreement to inform them of …

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Brexit means brexit.

What is to explain?

Things like "cost" and "a plan" are just buzzwords the liberal media elite bandy around to frustrate the declared will of the English people.

Full brexit now, and damn the consequences!

Did I say all of that right...?

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Things like "cost" and "a plan" are just buzzwords the liberal media elite bandy around to frustrate the declared will of the English people.

Yes. And No.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/10/brexit-must-be-fair-to-working-people-ed-miliband

Ignore the Millipede and skip to paragraph 2. Quoting it here for those who have a graunidad allergy - this is based on a poll conducted in November:

Polling of Brexit voters by the Open Britain campaign shows half are not prepared to be a penny worse off as a result of leaving the EU. That includes 59% in the north; 62% of Labour Leave voters; 46% of Conservative leavers; and even 39% of Ukip voters. Only one in 10 Brexit voters is prepared to lose more than £100 a month.

So apparently, the English People actually want something which my Advanced Computer Science teacher in high school referred to in the prehistoric pre-political correctness days as: Have your penis in both hands and your soul in paradise at the same time. The more polite British version is: "Have your cake and eat it to".

All I can do is quote the German finance minister: "Let's do a thought experiment. I have a cake, I eat the cake, do I still have the cake? Do not think so".

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The British voter looked at Europe, saw it was a massive mess, saw that it was impossible to get a better deal for the UK, and voted for sovereignty.

This was a rational decision that prices in the uncertainty and short-term pain. The poll sponsored by Open Britain (a pro-EU campaign group) and cited in The Guardian (a pro-EU newspaper) was designed to produce the response it got. No surprise there.

Only an idiot thinks leaving a superstate pain free. Most benefits are long-term, prices will fall as the Common Tariff no longer applies to the UK.

Better a Brexit than a Le Pen or a Trump (thank God).

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Re: Brexit means brexit.

I would have thought that leaving a large trading bloc with its economies of scale and bargaining power would imply higher prices in the long term.

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Re: Brexit means brexit.

The consequences will mean nothing to the political elite including Mr 'mines a pint' Farage.

But to the rest of us?

£££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

We will spend more every day

in things we buy,

in fuel for our cars

where we like to go on Holiday

etc

etc

etc

Does that sum up the consequences well enough to you?

I will have to suffer those consequences like everyone else but, I'd like to give the likes of Farage a good kicking for the lies he spread and continues to spread. You can add the editors of the Daily Mail and Express to that as well.

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Re: Brexit means brexit.

"You can add the editors of the Daily Mail and Express to that as well."

Ah, you speak of the new illiberal brexit elite!

Plus ça change ...

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It's already costing small IT businesses. I spend about £5K a year on hosting and domain charges, most of which are base-priced in USD or Euros, even if they're nominally a UK supplier and I pay in sterling. It's already putting my costs up by about £500 p.a. Thank you Mr Gove.

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Re: Brexit means brexit.

But to the rest of us?

£££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

You realize it. I realize it. Most of the readership of this rag regardless on which side of the fence they are realize it.

Unfortunately, based on this (and several other polls) it looks like the majority of the voters actually believed the utter tripe fed to them by Mr FrogFace and Co that Britain as a country can have its cake and eat it too. They did not realize that the fat cats which sat on the Remain campaign board were not lying on this one.

Thus, regardless of how it ends up, it will not end up well.

By the way, someone on this thread said "happy not to have a Trump or a Le Pen". Dude, let me explain this to you - you will have Adam Sutler after the next election when the already disillusioned and broke masses which voted for BrExit get shafted on the actual meaning of BrExit. At least.

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"The British voter looked at Europe, saw it was a massive mess, saw that it was impossible to get a better deal for the UK, and voted for sovereignty.

This was a rational decision that prices in the uncertainty and short-term pain."

Do you really believe that that (a) most of the Leave voters priced in anything - which in some cases may well prove to be their jobs - and (b) the result of a long term change will be short-term?

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No. The British voter saw no such thing. Many British voters looked to Boris and his chums..

They saw that they were very definite in what they promised. They heard that they shouldn't listen to people who knew what they were talking about. They heard that all the experts knew less about the economy than the owners of the Daily Wail.

They looked at Nigel and saw he seemed like a nice used car salesman and over a third of them voted for national sepukku.

This was not a rational process. Every time they heard something worrying, they put their hands over their ears and said the mantra "Project Fear".

Only an idiot still believes in that 18th century idea "sovereignty". No countries are sovereign. A couple of failed states have come close, Somalia for example. Even North Korea does business with China. It may host a couple of embassies. I imagine that it does business with someone? It is not completely sovereign then. Some of the worlds biggest successes have their economies heavily affected by others, have lots of treaty obligations and are part of large trade groupings like the one that we are being undemocratically forced to leave.

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Re: Brexit means brexit. Mail & Express

Interesting to see these two

Mail used to be a case of joking about it, not much changed there. Still a joke, obsessed with celebrities. Irrelevant I suppose.

But the Express, used to be an OK paper, a bit better than Mail and a bit obsessed with Princess Diana, but now, it is nothing but a hate rag, I feel dirty just seeing the headlines, same feeling as you get from a bad copy of the Sun. You get the feeling they want to line any non hard exit from EU people up against the wall and shoot them. What the hell went on there to turn it from OK (not good, not shit), straight past gutter and right into sewer press.

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but now, it is nothing but a hate rag

That's because the pornographer Richard Desmond has spent 15 years turning it into his personal mouthpiece.

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The British voter looked at Europe, saw it was a massive mess, saw that it was impossible to get a better deal for the UK, and voted for sovereignty.

There wasn't a typical British voter to describe as "The British voter" since about half voted to remain and half voted to leave. I suppose you might just about get away with "The British voter was equivocal", but that is like describing your parents as hermaphrodites.

Those that voted to leave did so for many reasons, including immigration, lack of EU accountability, and that the NHS would get more money.

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"I still have the cake?

Yes, it's in your tummy.

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"The British voter looked at Europe, saw it was a massive mess, saw that it was impossible to get a better deal for the UK, and voted for sovereignty"

Actually, close to half of British voters voted in the opposite.

Although currently a political mess, the basic idea of having the European community co-operate and act in harmony is a good one. Nearly half of British voters voted to be a part of this, despite many wanting to so something to sort out the mess.

Among those voting for the idea of the EU, there are many who have close ties to the Eurozone - families, businesses, education, research etc. Those in that position stand to have their lives severely messed up by withdrawal from the EU.

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""I still have the cake?

Yes, it's in your tummy."

...where it's rapidly turning to sh*t.

Perfect metaphor!

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Re: Brexit means brexit. Mail & Express

"What the hell went on there to turn it from OK (not good, not shit), straight past gutter and right into sewer press."

Their pornographer owner got the hump about being a social leper and decided to burn Britain down.

If you think the editorial stance is extreme, check the comments section on any brexit story.

The commentards on there think The Faily Express is still too "lefty liberal."

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Re: Brexit means brexit. Mail & Express

Well his mouth must be pretty foul.

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All I can do is quote the German finance minister: "Let's do a thought experiment. I have a cake, I eat the cake, do I still have the cake? Do not think so".

This really is an apposite analogy : a democratic referendum has advised to eat the cake and now must pass through the democractic tubes of digestion (upper and lower) and if digested the shining mess of Brixit will be deposited for the enjoyment of all.

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Re: Brexit means brexit. Mail & Express

Hopefully Express will shut down soon, I do not know of any purchasers (only ex readers)

I try to avoid both papers commentards as I do not want high blood pressure. (Nor to be lynched)

Best avoided by avoiding both sites.

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No. That is simply the justification for preconceived ideas that right-on types tell themselves over and over and over. Doesn't get any truer, just makes people feel metropolitan.

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"It's already costing small IT businesses."

I feel your pain because I suffer it too. I get work across the several Euro countries. I estimate that Brexit cost me £10K in the first month after the referendum as a result of the collapse of the pound. The most recent business trip was a painful experience, with costs rocketing. Also our customers are already telling us that they will probably switch to suppliers within Europe starting from the declaration of article 50. We lost a huge contract within a week of the referendum because the body awarding the contract (which was for five years) "Didn't want the uncertainty of dealing with a company that may not be within the EU at the end of the contract."

Response from my MP? "Well you just need to develop contacts outside Europe." Gee, thanks, thirty years to build a business one bloody night of stupidity to start its decline and his response is to tell me to spend thirty years building it up from scratch again.

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>and voted for sovereignty.

I call UKIP FUD.

For those who do not understand, parliament has always had the ultimate last say, but chosen not to exercise it

If they had really 'lost control' how could they ever remove the UK from the EU?

And leaving the EU, or whatever it is they decide they want, means they'll have even less control. The UK will have to toe the line on EU legislation if they want market access. And they will have absolutely no say in what those laws will be.

Regrettably, successive governments have blamed Europe for their own homemade disasters, never admitting how much influence the UK actually had in Europe (a lot), and that they were in part responsible. Hoist on their own petard methinks.

Now what was it someone said (if immigration is your concern) about the >50% of immigrants that come from outside the EU that your government has always had control of and actually done errr.... nothing about ?

Had control. Forgot to use it. And you trust them to make Brexit a success? Good luck with that.

I'm off to watch Trump throw more Crocs in the swamp.

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Re: Brexit means brexit. Mail & Express

"I try to avoid both papers commentards as I do not want high blood pressure."

The other way round here. I now regularly visit the Daily Mail site to get an idea of how the other half of the country are being told how to think. V depressing, not just the political stuff but especially the obsession with vapid celebrities and scantily clad women. But then I'm one of those fossils who thinks newspapers should provide news, and leave it up to their readers to form opinions.

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The Germans ate our cake?

Bar stewards!

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"Those that voted to leave did so for many reasons"

Of the Brexit voters that I know, most voted that way simply to stick a well-deserved two fingers up at the Westminster establishment, never expecting that Brexit would even come close to a majority. Some now regret having voted Brexit, as they see the current chaos and the possible consequences. This is a mixture of people in a mixture of areas (working age vs retired, rural vs city, etc). Only one person I know (retired, rural) was 'serious' about UKIP and "taking back control".

Anecdote .ne. evidence and all that.

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"Plus ça change"

Are we still allowed to say that? It's something Johnny Foreigner says.

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Re: Brexit means brexit.

Half (52%) did not vote to leave and half (48%) did not vote to remain. The turnout was 72%. 28% didn't vote at all.

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Ah, you speak of the new illiberal brexit elite!

Given the way they handled reality like it was the Mortal Enemy Of Men I think illiterate would be more accurate. Unless I look at what happened in the US it is hard to find a more cynical manipulation of media and people in the last few years, made worse because they got away with it. It's the political equivalent of a failure to stop after causing a grievous accident and being complimented on it.

I've been around quite a few years, but 2016 is winner by some margin of worst year ever. I would have added "but admittedly I'm not old enough to have experience WW 2", but my worry is that I may yet experience a WW 3 if this goes on. Removing a need for factual accuracy from a growing pool of idiots is akin to removing the damping rods from an active reactor: it will have consequences, and none of them good.

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This was a rational decision that prices in the uncertainty and short-term pain. The poll sponsored by Open Britain (a pro-EU campaign group) and cited in The Guardian (a pro-EU newspaper) was designed to produce the response it got. No surprise there.

Nah man we're all racists who can't do math or look at economic data that's what it is.

Either that or there's no positive case for staying in the EU, there's certainly no downside to leaving and a massive potential upside to to leaving.

In a world where UK exports to the EU are falling, exports to the rest of the world are increasing and we can can do trade deals with countries we want to rather than being blocked by the EU who doesn't want to trade with those countries because it hurts Germany are we going to stay or leave? That's right.

The European project isn't really for the UK. I don't really wish ill on the countries still in (if they ever rebuild the EU the way it should be built I'd be happy to vote for rejoining but right now it's a disaster with a huge democratic deficit which is why you hear EU professional chair sitters talking about populism = bad without stating how they'll rebalance the democratic deficit - which is easy by the way - you just swap the legal positions of the European Parliament and the Commission; Parliament decides law and the Commission should be checks and balances as opposed to how it is today) but it really is a protectionist disaster designed to keep the UK in check and flow cash on the macro level to Germany as opposed to what it was supposed to be for.

Not for nothing but it's going to be decades before people forget de Gaulle's attitude [problem].

More on topic: higher prices means a reduction on imports of things that we don't explicitly need there and then - so what.

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"It's already putting my costs up by about £500 p.a. Thank you Mr Gove."

I'm sure that nice Mr Gove will recompense you, perhaps even reimbursing the losses you suffer because of his ill-explained "logic". (For Michael is an honourable man. So are they all, honourable men.)

On the other hand, maybe they can't afford to, what with £350m going into the NHS. What, that was a promise they cant deliver? No .. that cannot be .. Nigel is an honourable man (ok, now i have go clean up the vomit. At least with Corbyn I can disagree but see that he believes what he says, disagree though I do, at least he is vaguely honest in that way. Farage seems to me to be about as honest as Bernie Madoff)

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Re: Brexit means brexit. Mail & Express

Hopefully Express will shut down soon, I do not know of any purchasers

I do, it's regularly bought by someone at work and left in the lunchroom. I keep getting the urge to edit it and correct its 'facts' but frankly there's just not enough time or space to do so.

I think the best one recently was when the judges made a court ruling against Theresa may being the sole arbiter of Brexit, it was compared to our darkest hour, the greatest threat to our democracy since the Nazi's swept across Europe, which considering it's general attitude to people who are too tanned, seems ironic.

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I feel your pain because I suffer it too. I get work across the several Euro countries. I estimate that Brexit cost me £10K

Yep supposed to be working next year abroad in a country tied to the USD rate, with the change in value of the pound I have lost about $6K on my exchange rate, which basically would have covered a fair bit of my living costs. It's been nice seeing the money I had been saving aside for it as well, suddenly become worth less.

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Re: Brexit means brexit.

Of the Brexit voters that I know, most voted that way simply to stick a well-deserved two fingers up at the Westminster establishment, never expecting that Brexit would even come close to a majority. Some now regret having voted Brexit

Out of four i have talked to at work, one did it because of that reason and thinks that it may have been a mistake, one did it to see what would happen and thinks they made a mistake, one did it because ending free movement of Europeans stops the Syrians from getting in and protects our borders and is still pro (I think), one did it to take our pride back (then again he also thought Trump was a great idea and that he will work with Putin to sort out Syria) and is definitely pro.

Oh and there is someone on my team who didn't bother to vote, thinks it's all hilarious people are pissed off at Brexit and that we are being silly complaining about losing value on the pound, then again he also doesn't trust mainstream news but will trust posters on reddit claiming to have worked for the FBI (they also are a Trump supporter).

The amount of lack of depth in thinking I have seen on Brexit is breathtaking, I can't help feeling that many people voted on nothing more than a byline.

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You idiot. Brexit does not mean Brexit - it means Red, White and Blue. Get with the program son.

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@Voland's right hand

Let me explain it to you Voland:

We're leaving the EU.

You can cry into your beer all you like.

You can call people names - and "Mr FrogFace" is really imaginative.

You can whine about it until you are sick, then wipe your mouth and whine some more about lies.

But we're leaving the EU.

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"Do you really believe that that (a) most of the Leave voters priced in anything - which in some cases may well prove to be their jobs - and (b) the result of a long term change will be short-term?"

Yes, because after six months of Remainers predicting catastrophe their beds, there is no buyer's remorse. We are leaving the EU. People are pleased to be taking back control, even it is less than they might ideally want.

And a General Election would wipe out the Remain parties: Labour and LibDem.

Remain supporters here really are beginning to sound like they need psychological help.

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"No countries are sovereign"

Sovereign nations do trade: they trade as sovereign nations.

You would fail GSCE politics because you don't understand the modern definition of sovereignty, and from that misapprehension, you fail to understand what it is.

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Re: Brexit means brexit.

"It's already costing small IT businesses. I spend about £5K a year on hosting and domain charges, most of which are base-priced in USD or Euros, even if they're nominally a UK supplier and I pay in sterling. It's already putting my costs up by about £500 p.a. Thank you Mr Gove."

Yep, it's all the fault of Boris, Gove, Dominic "Accuracy is for snake-oil pussies" Cummings and Matthew Elliott and their huge pack of Brexit lies, the most egregious of which was that all EU monies would henceforth go to funding the NHS.

It's not only the IT sector that's suffering from all those Leave lies. I know of people losing their jobs in manufacturing (essential components have become too expensive to import since the Brexit pound crash) and other people in the transport sector who now won't get a pay rise next year because of the cost of more expensive fuel.

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"28% didn't vote at all"

They couldn't be bothered, so their views don't count.

Given a few more years of education, maybe you'll get the hang of it.

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Sample size: 4

Thanks for sharing!

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50 lickspittles voting you down dude, ignore them !

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"We lost a huge contract within a week of the referendum because the body awarding the contract (which was for five years) "Didn't want the uncertainty of dealing with a company that may not be within the EU at the end of the contract.""

I call bullshit, names or your lying! The fact that the £ is lower, immediately meant that they would be paying less for your service, which would have put you in e better position. Why lie on the internet? ..fucking pathetic!

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Re: Brexit means brexit.

"Nah man we're all racists who can't do math or look at economic data that's what it is."

^ You said it, not me.

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"You can whine about it until you are sick, then wipe your mouth and whine some more about lies.

But we're leaving the EU."

No, sunshine, all the crude and base lies came from the very side that you support.

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"I call bullshit, names or your lying! The fact that the £ is lower, immediately meant that they would be paying less for your service, which would have put you in e better position. Why lie on the internet? ..fucking pathetic!"

^ I know that economic concepts might be difficult for Leave voters to comprehend but whereas a small devaluation might be useful, a wholesale crash in the value of the pound due to the Brexit vote is not. For example, that leads to significant rises in imported components, fuel, food and so on which then have an adverse knock on effect.

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Of course they count given the closeness of the result. They might have abstained because they didn't like either option, they didn't believe the referendum campaigns, amongst other things.

Thanks for the advice about education, Dr Nick Riviera. I consider education lifelong so it's not really an insult. Hopefully there won't be too many cuts to adult education in post-Brexit Britain... except higher education of course. And probably any other kind of education due to plummeting tax receipts if the government wilfully persists with a plan of leaving both the EU and EEA/EFTA (the referendum only specified leaving the EU).

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"..to frustrate the declared will of the English people."

It's even more frustrating for the non-English whose declared will was somewhat different.

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Re: Brexit means brexit. Mail & Express

"But the Express, used to be an OK paper"

http://johncooperclarke.com/poems/you-never-see-a-nipple-in-the-daily-express

That was from the 1970's

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