back to article Spain's Prime Minister wants to ban internet memes. No, really

Spain's ruling Popular Party has proposed banning internet memes. No word of a lie. Right-wing Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has put forward legislation that would make it a crime to "spread images that infringe the honor of a person", noting that a similar law from the 1980s is out of date because it doesn't account for the …

  1. Notas Badoff

    Honor

    "... the honor of a person" comes from the person. If your honour is not recognised you ain't got it.

    1. John H Woods Silver badge

      Re: Honor

      Tyrion: "I'm not questioning your honour, I'm denying its existence."

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Honor

      Some claim there's honor in a position of elected power too. Particularly when their preferred person occupies that position.

      Other times, not so much.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I do not even know exactly where to start.

    So, Mr Rahoj he is allowed to censor any cartoons of himself?

    While this is not the first time he has tried to get Spain back on Frankist footing, I think this one beats any previous ones.

    As my Granddad used to shout levelling his I16 out of a spin to get the Frankist Fiat CR.32 in his crosshairs. NO PASARAN.

    1. jonfr

      Given their roots

      They are from Franco roots it seems.

      Wikipedia info.

      "[...] The People's Party was a re-foundation in 1989 of the People's Alliance (Alianza Popular, AP), a party led and founded by Manuel Fraga Iribarne, a former Minister of the Interior and Minister of Tourism during Francisco Franco's dictatorship. The new party combined the conservative AP with several small Christian democratic and liberal parties (the party call this fusion of views Reformist centre). In 2002, Manuel Fraga received the honorary title of "Founding Chairman".[...]"

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_(Spain)

      It is clear that this idiot needs to be fired. Preferably soon, since this type of thinking is dangerous to democracy. As has been seen with the demonstration law.

    2. John Presland

      Francoist, Seat. Otherwise, nice comment.

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge

        Seat was the Francoist Fiat. He did a deal with Fiat to set up factories and make exactly the same models in Spain but with a Seat badge.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Seat.

        Fiat you muppet. Fiat CR.32 - standard fighter aircraft of Franco's air force and the "volunteers" sent in by Mussolini.

        My grandad shipped, trained pilots and flew Polikarpov I16s for the Republic. While he never got onto the list of aces, he had several air victories then and (again using I16) against Nazis in the beginning of WW2 before he became a test pilot.

        By the way, my granduncle also fought for the republic against Mr Rahoj political progenitors. Similarly - he shipped, trained republican crews and fought with them in T-26s both at Burgos and Guadalajara.

        I would repeat what either one of them would have said to Mr Rajoy. NO PASARAN you fascist c*nt.

  3. Mephistro Silver badge
    Flame

    ¡A la mierda!

    Ahhh, our dear political class. The biggest pile of cnuts, fools and noobs I've ever seen. May God smite their stupid souls!

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Unbelievable

    So Spain just spent ten months in political crisis without a government. Finally, after the best part of a year, a government is finally put together. And after that long period in governmental limbo, surely they must have a great many weighty issues to legislate on, right? So what's top of the list? Banning f**king memes. No wonder all the opposition parties dug their heels in for so long against agreeing to a Rajoy government. The socialists will be wishing they had listened to Pedro Sanchez after all.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: Unbelievable

      Oh but it was government as usual, except when it was inconvenient, and then it was "oh, we can't do that, we're the interim government". Inconvenient means running their budget past the EU, debates or question time in Parliament, and so on.

      Not that any weighty issues were tackled before. Like the good funcionario that Rajoy is, most things were just ignored and hopefully they'd go away and stop bothering him. He did this with the election results as well and it worked - he just waited while the opposition parties, incapable of coming to agreement on anything, disintegrated around him.

    2. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken Silver badge

      Re: Unbelievable

      Why, first things first...

  5. Captain DaFt

    Note to all political leaders:

    There can be no true Democracy without protesters freely demonstrating in the streets (or online).

    1. Pompous Git Silver badge

      Re: Note to all political leaders:

      There can be no true Democracy without protesters freely demonstrating in the streets
      Frankly I'm glad I live in a democracy where we don't riot on the streets, shoot each other and destroy property because we don't like the results of a general election.

      1. Francis Boyle Silver badge

        Re: Note to all political leaders:

        And if you pay attention you will see that Captain DaFt didn't mention any of the things you list.

        1. Pompous Git Silver badge

          Re: Note to all political leaders:

          And if you pay attention you will see that Captain DaFt didn't mention any of the things you list.
          Are you claiming that because Captain DaFt didn't mention them, the riots I have paid attention to on TV are not happening?

          1. Richard 12 Silver badge

            Re: Note to all political leaders:

            When you ban peaceful protest, all protest must become violent because the arms of the state will make it so.

            The storm clouds are gathering, they have been for some time.

            Populist jingoism and the cult of personality will lead us to the place they always have - disaster, war and death.

            1. Pompous Git Silver badge

              Re: Note to all political leaders:

              When you ban peaceful protest, all protest must become violent because the arms of the state will make it so.
              I could not agree more. I was completely unaware that peaceful protest had been made illegal in the USA. Mea culpa.

              1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

                Re: Note to all political leaders:

                "I could not agree more. I was completely unaware that peaceful protest had been made illegal in the USA. Mea culpa."

                Ah, but violent protests are not banned, hence the news stories :-)

                1. Pompous Git Silver badge

                  Re: Note to all political leaders:

                  Ah, but violent protests are not banned, hence the news stories
                  Back in 1968 it was "elect a pig for president". When the Merkins get one they protest against their wish being granted. It's all an unfathomable mystery...

  6. Adam 1 Silver badge

    I don't understand.

    I mean, one doesn't simply ban internet memes.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: I don't understand.

      In Spain, government memes you

      1. moiety

        Re: I don't understand.

        Yo dawg such politicians many bufoonery

        1. DavCrav Silver badge

          Re: I don't understand.

          So, in Spain can I still has memes?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I don't understand.

      I think he must have misheard and thought he'd jump on that "no memes no!" bandwagon.

    3. You aint sin me, roit

      Re: I don't understand.

      "My name is Mariano Rajoy. You hurt my feelings. And now you die."

      1. Voland's right hand Silver badge

        Re: I don't understand.

        "My name is Mariano Rajoy. You hurt my feelings. And now you die."

        More like: "My name is Mariano Rajoy. You hurt my feelings. And now I am going to cry".

        Somebody, please change the gentleman's nappy, he needs it.

  7. Vincent Ballard
    Alien

    Vive en otro puto planeta

    This one from a bit over a year ago sums it up well:

    http://66.media.tumblr.com/5d79cf7b94bc3e452ae0e5ad14302a4b/tumblr_nwh4mpB0CJ1s9y3qio1_540.jpg

    Mariano*: he lives on another ****ing planet.

    * Rajoy's first name, and one letter away from Marciano, meaning Martian.

    1. Mephistro Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Re: Vive en otro puto planeta

      Thank you , I didn't know that one!

  8. jake Silver badge

    If the object of satire ...

    ... enhances the environment for said satire himself, is it still satire?

    Just askin' ...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: If the object of satire ...

      Depends if it was intentional.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Not really

    " Equally unsurprisingly, Rajoy makes a frequent appearance. Which you just know is driving him crazy."

    I seriously doubt the man is capable of using a computer. No disrespect intended, but I always thought he might be borderline retarded.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: Not really

      This law is probably came about because of a website satirising the PP's electoral programme which popped up during the last elections. It was done by El Mundo Today (the equivalent of The Onion or The Daily Mash) so you can tell exactly how much Rajoy's honour was slighted.

      It took all of a day for a legal demand to be written and go to court where it jumped to the front of the queue and was rubber stamp and the website was removed. Long live the separation of powers.

      Other parties also had satricial websites made about their programmes. They didn't go to court.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Not really

        > It took all of a day for a legal demand to be written and go to court where it jumped to the front of the queue and was rubber stamp and the website was removed. Long live the separation of powers.

        I spent many years in Catalonia, where the Spanish government's actions go beyond the farcical, and that was before independence was a mainstream political proposition.

      2. Vincent Ballard

        Correction

        The website wasn't removed, simply renamed. It's still up: http://esawebdelaqueustedmehabla.com/

        As a resident of Valencia I particularly like the policy on corruption. My translation:

        What measures does the party you mention propose to end corruption?

        A firm hand. Anyone who holds a position of responsibility and who carries out illegal practices will see their political life ended and will be sent to the Senate.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Correction

          > http://esawebdelaqueustedmehabla.com/

          Hilarious. :-)

    2. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken Silver badge

      Re: Not really

      "I seriously doubt the man is capable of using a computer. No disrespect intended, but I always thought he might be borderline retarded."

      If being borderline retarded would keep people from using computers, Facebook etc would be out of business. (Nice thought, though.)

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    advertising?

    "Sponsored: The evolving face of cyber threats"

    I don't think this is the sort of threat the advertiser / sponsor meant to associate themselves with (defending against, presumably)?

  11. Uberseehandel

    As a kid we were advised by the (UK) Foreign Office not to stop and help if we saw a traffic accident or somebody in trouble whilst on holiday in Spain, let us hope we are not seeing a reversion to those days.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      > As a kid we were advised by the (UK) Foreign Office not to stop and help if we saw a traffic accident or somebody in trouble whilst on holiday in Spain,

      And let us hope the Foreign Office are by now aware of § 195 of the Spanish criminal code and stop giving "advice" that will get you arrested or worse.

      This is also something that every driver in Spain is aware of, as it's part of the test, and that police take seriously, apart from being the honourable thing to do, so make sure that even if you do not feel it's safe or in the interests of your personal security to stop at the scene of an accident, you do at the very least call for help without delay. And do note that if you happen to be a medical professional, police, firefighter, soldier, aircrew, etc., that § 20.5.3 holds you to a different standard. It does not matter if you are off duty, or even a foreigner on holidays.

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge

        The second one means that there are penalties for stopping police, firefighters, doctors, soldiers*, etc... from doing their work.

        * presumably invading soldiers will be fined and can get a 50% discount if not disputed and paid promptly?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          > The second one means that there are penalties for stopping police, firefighters, doctors, soldiers*, etc... from doing their work.

          ???

          No. Not at all.

          It is an exception to the exemptions. That section details in what cases one is exempt from criminal responsibility. Point 5 deals with conflicts of legal rights and spells out the conditions under which violating somebody else's rights out of a circumstantial need is not a criminal offence.

          In the context at hand 5.3 applies, for example, when I neglect my duty to assist someone in danger (that's what section 195 covers) in order to safeguard my own physical integrity. If I happen to be under "obligación de sacrificio" (which incidentally I am), Spanish law expects me to take bigger risks, in relation to the loss potentially suffered by other parties, than otherwise would be acceptable.

          1. Dan 55 Silver badge

            Sorry, for some reason I was looking at article 554 instead of article 20. I don't know how that happened.

            Well, heroic sacrifice in the face of insurmountable odds has played a great part in Spanish history, why would that stop now? :/

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I've never before heard of this Mariano Rajoy

    But I'm now going to make a meme in his honour!

    1. Pompous Git Silver badge

      Re: I've never before heard of this Mariano Rajoy

      Meme-making sounds: nit one, twat one, nit one twat two...

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