back to article FBI's Clinton email comedown confirms it could have killed the story in a canter

On Sunday night, after a week of sending US elections spinning and Presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton tumbling in polls, FBI director Michael Comey backed off and wrote to Congressional committee chairs that after "working round the clock to process a large volume of emails" found on a laptop seized a month ago from accused …

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Like the alleged 'shooter' at the Trump rally

Just another calculated stunt.

Damage done though.

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Re: Like the alleged 'shooter' at the Trump rally

No, not a calculated stunt.

Comey got the message from Obama... the fix was in... don't rock the boat.

In other words unless that had something so damning... they wouldn't try to indict her, which btw isn't Comey's job. He's just there to collect the evidence. Lynch would have to indict and since there was no GJ, the whole investigation was a farce.

If Clinton wins... she'll face the same fate as Nixon.

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Re: Like the alleged 'shooter' at the Trump rally

Comey would only continue in his job if Trump won.

This climbdown is too little too late. He still gets the chop.

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Re: Like the alleged 'shooter' at the Trump rally

"Comey would only continue in his job if Trump won. This climbdown is too little too late. He still gets the chop."

Wrong. The FBI Director's term is 10 years, specifically to make sure he can't be given the boot on a whim. The longest a US President can serve is 8 years (if elected twice). Comey's term does not end until 2023.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Re: Like the alleged 'shooter' at the Trump rally

Sorry AC, you would have to show cause in order to fire Comey. That's going to be very difficult so he's in his job for the next several years regardless of who's the President.

Lynch and others on the other hand... are fair game.

When Trump gets the nod... and surprisingly he will... things will get very interesting and still some things will stay the same.

The reason you see Trump winning is that there is a large percentage of people willing to vote for Trump that won't openly talk about it. Don't believe me? Then ask yourself why Obama and Clinton are running scared in Michigan? NH? and other states that they thought they had a lock on...

The issue is that people are sick and tired of the corruption that exists in Washington. In terms of IT, how Obama has changed the way things are done in the Library of Congress and have set up copyright law changes in the favor of Google.

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Re: Like the alleged 'shooter' at the Trump rally

Yeah. And if Trump wins, and not every immigrant has been removed from the US, the wall has not been built, and Hillary is not in jail by the next congressional elections people will vote the democrats in the driving seat out of spite, and the democrats will block every last republican proposition until the end of his term. That is assuming the republicans don't start sabotaging their own president from day one.

Or not. Please put on another record, Gumby. This one is broken.

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Re: Like the alleged 'shooter' at the Trump rally

Trump will fire him.

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Re: Like the alleged 'shooter' at the Trump rally

Technically a US president can serve almost 10 years if, as VP, they "inherit" the presidency with less than two years to go, as they can be elected in their own right twice. (If they inherited the presidency with more than two years to go, they could only then be elected to the presidency once).

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Re John Sanders

The President does not have the authority to fire the Director of the FBI. That's by design.

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Re Steven Jones

You are correct. I forgot about possible extra year or two if the person was a VP who "inherited" the post. (22 Amendment to the US Constitution.)

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@Ian Michael Gumby - 'shy voter' theory

Well we'll find out if that's right in 36 hours or so, but the reason Clinton started campaigning again in Michigan and NH is because Comey's bombshell cut into her lead, and Trump's only path to getting 270 electoral votes involves winning Michigan - along with ALL tossup states. It doesn't look good for Trump at all based on early voting results in Nevada and several other states, so even if he wins Michigan (which he well might, there are a lot of angry blue collar voters there) it would take a tidal wave of shy voters to push him over the top in all tossup states.

I have never bought into this theory. I could see maybe Trump voters choosing not to tell their friends/family about it if they are mostly against him. But why lie to pollsters? That makes little sense, but it is really all Trump has to hang his hat on this point - and if he loses, he'll claim it was "rigged", because his daddy issues mean he thinks the worst thing in the world is to be a "loser", so of course when he loses it wasn't him it will be someone else's fault.

Anyway, why should the 'shy voter' theory be limited to Trump voters? Hillary Clinton is every bit as nationally unpopular, and hated at least as intensely by those voting against her, so to the extent any shy voters exist, I see no reason to assume that they wouldn't pretty much cancel each other out.

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@The man who fell... Re: Re John Sanders

Sorry but not entirely true.

The President can fire Comey if they can show cause... Note this is technically true, however very difficult.

Comey's actions do not justify termination unless there's an investigation where he intentionally tanked the investigation under order from Obama and/or Lynch. Note that if he asked for a GJ and Lynch denied it... its not on Comey but potentially on Lynch. Lynch on the other hand and the DoJ can be terminated at any time.

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@Doug S Re: @Ian Michael Gumby - 'shy voter' theory

There are two things... 1) Shy voters.. 2) People who didn't vote or register to vote or don't get calls from pollsters.

Shy voters exist. Meaning that they aren't putting up Trump signs in their yards, or are registered republicans or democrats who are planning on voting for Trump. (Or anyone but Clinton [ABC vote])

Its already proven that the number of registered Republicans did jump up. So Trump brought more people in to the fold. However there's also a group of Republicans who won't vote for Trump.

As to Hillary, everyone claims to be voting for her. Why? Because "its her time", or she's making history, and all of the scandals are a republican conspiracy and she's an innocent sweet grandma...

(ick sarcasm)

The truth is that the polls have tightened in many 'blue states' to the point where Clinton and company are panicked.

The latest Wiki-leaks have damaged her greatly and have provided fodder / chum for the Republicans to spend the next 2 years investigating her. Of course if the rumors are true, if you hit her with a strobe light and primary color flashes... she'll stroke out. (Or have an epileptic episode.) Not that I'm recommending anyone try it.

The more interesting thing ... if Trump resigns ... we have Pence. Seems smart and stable enough. If CLinton goes down... you're left with Tim Kaine which some say would be a lap dog for Obama to control.

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Re: @Doug S @Ian Michael Gumby - 'shy voter' theory

Pence is a born again evangelist Christian (i.e. not the nice affable kindly type, but the righteous and judgemental type who is a devout supporter of Israel on anything they wish) who has left little doubt that he wants to confront Russia in the Middle East ("hello WWIII"). Hilary is no better. At this point, there are no good options

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Re: Like the alleged 'shooter' at the Trump rally

If people planning to vote for Trump in NH and MI aren't willing to admit it, then why are the polls so close in those states?

And shall we talk about the people, women especially, in Wyoming and Kansas who aren't willing to admit they're voting for Clinton?

For the sake of your country, and mine too - please get over it. The system is the system. If you want to change it, go into politics and fucking learn how it works. Right now, Trump's voters - all of them, as far as I can tell - are at the level of the guy calling tech support because "my internet is broken", just because they can't be bothered to take the time to figure out how it's supposed to work.

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Re: Like the alleged 'shooter' at the Trump rally

Actually, the president can fire the Director of the FBI. Bill Clinton fired then Director William Sessions. Something about ethics violations :)

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"Sorry AC, you would have to show cause in order to fire Comey."

Umm, no, there is no statutory limit on the President's authority to fire the Director of the FBI. Political backlash is another thing.

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@ Ian Michael Gumby -- Re: Like the alleged 'shooter' at the Trump rally

The reason you see Trump winning is that there is a large percentage of people willing to vote for Trump that won't openly talk about it. Don't believe me?

No, I don't. Not any more than I believe your personal savior, Herr Orangeführer Drumpf

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Re: Like the alleged 'shooter' at the Trump rally

Use of the office to meddle in the election is just cause for termination.

But everybody knows the FBI is Republican and the CIA is Democrat. The NSA won't say who they're rooting for.

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"Sorry AC, you would have to show cause in order to fire Comey."!

True - but at that level no one ever actually gets fired. They move on, they choose to step down, they take early retirement to spend more time with their family or for health reasons, they "Move to the private sector".

But they never get fired. Heavens, no. That would be an inappropriate use of power by the government and we all know that couldn't happen.

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Re: Like the alleged 'shooter' at the Trump rally

Apparently, director of the FBI " serves at the pleasure of the President".

Given that Comey broke protocol to announce an investigation with a week to go before the election, I expect he might not be so pleasing to a President Clinton... though clearly a favourite of a President Trump!

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Re: Like the alleged 'shooter' at the Trump rally

He might not be pleasing to Clinton, but the appearances of firing him wouldn't look very good if she takes office with such a divided country. Better to leave him in place. Republicans in congress will make sure that she's investigated constantly during her entire term regardless, and probably stage an impeachment vote in the House like they did with her husband.

If the FBI Director is hated equally by both sides, he's probably doing enough things right he should be kept...

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The strangest thing about the whole story

By far the most damage was done by democrat supporters getting their facts wrong.

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Re: By far the most damage was done by democrat supporters

No, more damage was done by the FBI guy's letter, giving Trump an excuse to claim that Clinton was back under investigation after early voting had started. Must be some of that election rigging that Trump keeps going on about....

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Re: The strangest thing about the whole story

Thanks for the link.

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Re: The strangest thing about the whole story

Of course, the fact that the story you link to was written by a known Clinton operative...

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@Flocke Kroes Re: The strangest thing about the whole story

You mean like the author?

Note: 110 emails were classified by different agencies at the time they were sent. Each one carries a 10 year prison sentence. That doesn't include the 2000+ emails that were later classified

The truth. She violated the espionage act and people died because of her and her incompetence.

She's also still on the hook for the corruption and pay to play issue. That's a much more clear cut case... the numbers don't lie...

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Re: By far the most damage was done by democrat supporters

"giving Trump an excuse to claim that Clinton was back under investigation after early voting had started"

That's weird. Voting has started but campaigning is still going on? How is that right?

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Re: By far the most damage was done by democrat supporters

How is that right?

In the same way that submitting a postal vote in the UK is right.

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Re: @Flocke Kroes The strangest thing about the whole story - calm down dear

So should those sentences run concurrently or consecutively? 10 years or 1100 years? And will Trump's multiple 20 year sentences for statutory rape be served in the same jail?

And as for corruption - absolutely, lock up anyone who has donated to that crooked foundation... oh dear that's Donald too, still at least the money wasn't used to buy self portraits....

As to pay to play, we can all agree that what happens in Florida stays in Florida....

At least with Hilary the person you vote for is who you get - a Washington insider professional politician. With Trump you have a Daddy's little rich boy, who pretends to be ' a man of the people' while he flies in his crystal encrusted helicopter to his gold plated kazi.

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Re: By far the most damage was done by democrat supporters

That's weird. Voting has started but campaigning is still going on? How is that right?

It's called Early Voting. For a period of time before election day (depending on the state), voters are allowed to go and vote. The idea is to encourage turnout from people who might otherwise not vote (seeing long lines on election day, etc).

Early voting is also a huge target for Republicans. Please note how they're trying to reduce or eliminate Early Voting [e.g. http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article96179857.html]. The sole reason for trying to restrict early voting is to discourage Democrat turnout.

This is partially because Election Day is on a Tuesday, when most working people have to work. Retirees, for example, [Republicans] can afford to wait in line on election day. Hourly employees are often not granted the luxury of taking time off to vote.

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Re: By far the most damage was done by democrat supporters

Also it seems that the polls are open for relatively short period compared to the UK.

In most states the polls open around between 6 and 7 and will be closed by 8 (local time).

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-presidential-election-what-time-do-polls-open-close-each-state-1584754

Seems some states require employers to let staff take time to go and vote but with restrictions (employers choice of hours, need to request time off...)

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/taking-time-off-voting-jury-29708.html

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@AC ... Re: @Flocke Kroes The strangest thing about the whole story - calm down dear

Unlike Julian Assange,

No woman has ever come forward to actually press charges against Trump for rape. Just some questionable and disproven accusations of sexual assault.

But speaking of rape... google Juanita Broderick who was raped and assaulted by Bill Clinton, only to have Hillary intimidate her in to silence. And then there were other women who did get paid out. And Monica Lewinsky, the times on the Lolita express without his SS detail... oh and the latest... the Energizer Bunny in NY. (His neighbor down the street).

Then there's the secret pad atop the Clinton Library. (I know people who won't let their daughters volunteer to be a page at the library...

So do you really want to show your ignorance on the topic?

The key reason Trump will win is that people don't want the professional politician to continue to rob them blind. The first revolt was the tea party. Now its Trump. He may be a lot of things, but he's got his pulse on the American people and what they want.

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Re: @Flocke Kroes The strangest thing about the whole story - calm down dear

"So should those sentences run concurrently or consecutively? 10 years or 1100 years? And will Trump's multiple 20 year sentences for statutory rape be served in the same jail?"

There's 2016 in a nutshell. Tu quoque arguments back and forth ad infinitum, with neither candidate being worthy of your vote.

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Re: By far the most damage was done by democrat supporters

No it is not the same.

In many states you can change your vote and some more than once if you voted early.

If you have a postal vote you can only vote once and that is it.

You have to apply for a postal vote. In the USA if your state has early voting you can vote at any time from when they start until the polls close on election day (apart from when they are closed eg at night). No special application needed.

Also in the US you have to register with a party in order to vote. IMHO that is a flawed thing because naturally you will register with the party you affiliate to instead of here where your registration to vote is nothing to do with a party. If you don't vote but are registered in the US you get bombarded with phone calls day in, day out urging you to vote for the party your registerd with.

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Re: By far the most damage was done by democrat supporters

"In many states you can change your vote and some more than once if you voted early"

Provide a reference other than breithbart, drudge, or some internet meme.

Otherwise I'm calling that BS.

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Re: By far the most damage was done by democrat supporters

"Also in the US you have to register with a party in order to vote. IMHO that is a flawed thing because naturally you will register with the party you affiliate to instead of here where your registration to vote is nothing to do with a party."

You have to register to vote in a primary in most states.

No requirement in the general election.

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Re: @AC ... @Flocke Kroes The strangest thing about the whole story - calm down dear

And how about that child rape case that recently got dropped because the witness was being intimidated. I have no doubt Trump is guilty on that one, we've known he was a dirt bag for decades, so such behaviour is right in line with his personality.

Hopefully when he loses they will refile the charges.

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Re: By far the most damage was done by democrat supporters

@ Steve Davies 3

"In many states you can change your vote and some more than once if you voted early."

No you can not change your vote, whether you vote early or vote on election day.

"Also in the US you have to register with a party in order to vote."

I have been voting in the US for more than forty years, and I have never registered with any political party.

TL:DR - You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

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Re: By far the most damage was done by democrat supporters

@ midcapwarrior

"You have to register to vote in a primary in most states.

No requirement in the general election."

A voter must register in their current voting district in order to vote in any election, but having done so, they are automatically registered in the same voting district for any and all subsequent elections.

If the voter relocates to a different voting district, they must register in their new district before they're allowed to vote.

I registered in my present district seven years ago, and have been voting here ever since then.

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Re: @Flocke Kroes The strangest thing about the whole story

"Note: 110 emails were classified by different agencies at the time they were sent. Each one carries a 10 year prison sentence. That doesn't include the 2000+ emails that were later classified. The truth. She violated the espionage act and people died because of her and her incompetence. She's also still on the hook for the corruption and pay to play issue. That's a much more clear cut case... the numbers don't lie..."

James Comey is a Republican. He donated to both Romney and McCain. He would have nailed Hillary if he could have. No email on her server carried any classified markings. That is why he looked for knowledge of the classified status or intent to disseminate same knowingly. No case was found that could be made in court. Fact.

The "pay to play" is not a clear cut case unless you are reading the right-wing fantasy book "Clinton Cash" that was sponsored by Donald's campaign CEO Steve Bannon. The "pay to play" case was presented to the FBI's ethics unit and "they were unimpressed".

The right-wing in this country like to fabricate scandal from whole cloth it seems. I used to be a registered Republican. No more. They've gone nuts since about the mid 90s or early 00s.

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Re: By far the most damage was done by democrat supporters

There was an article on the BBC web site I read a few days ago which details some states which allow early voters to change their vote. Can't find it again at the moment though. All I found after a 5 second search is this page:

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-can-you-change-your-vote-trump-clinton-early-voting-2016-11

In a Trump speech last week he was asking early voters to go change their votes.

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@Steve Davies 3 -- Re: By far the most damage was done by democrat supporters

You have to apply for a postal vote. Bull.... in Oregon it's the way we vote. You register and the ballot comes in the mail. No special request needed.

Also in the US you have to register with a party in order to vote. Again... BS I'm registered as "non-affiliated". All that means is that I can't vote for Presidential candidates in the primaries. Everything else on the ballot, I can vote for.

I get calls from pollsters and the candidate "office" every day.. I just hang up on them. Yeah.. I'm an ass but who I will for vote for is for me to know and NOT them.. secret ballot and all that.

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Re: The strangest thing about the whole story

Thank you for that link. It would be very nice if we could just have that read aloud on a loop on the news this morning.

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Re: By far the most damage was done by democrat supporters

Kurt Meyer

You missed the point.

You don't have to register by party to vote in the general election.

Of course you have to register to vote, although many states you can register at the voting site, assuming it's your voting jurisdiction.

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Big John coats his monitor with spittle during his next "everyone is conspiring against trump" rant.

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@MrDamage - "during his next "everyone is conspiring against trump" rant"

Well, no matter how true or false, no one conspired against Trump more than Trump himself!

Always seemed a little pathetic of his supporters (and himself no less) to be upset at everyone else (potentially) working against him when even he wasn't working in his favour.

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Re: inb4

.. of course Hillary's accusation that the Russians hacked her email server are entirely true and backed by evidence.

If the server was hacked, she's at fault for using an insecure private email server for work related email.

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Clinton's server was not hacked to the extent anyone knows of. The DNC and the campaign servers were.

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