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Julian Assange has said WikiLeaks intends to publish documents ahead of the presidential race between Clinton and Trump that will include "significant" material about how the US election operates. Assange was speaking at a press conference in Berlin to celebrate the organisation's 10th birthday today, an event which had been …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Julian who ?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      It's Julian Yawho

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Or

        The ghost of Noel Edmonds.

    2. Scorchio!!
      Coat

      "Julian who ?"

      It's Julian [attention] who [re].

      Ay thenk yaw.

  2. M7S

    "These are people who are tormented by their ambitions."

    From comments received from colleagues in the US, they're not the only ones.

    We feel their pain.

    1. ratfox Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: "These are people who are tormented by their ambitions."

      I'd say it takes one to know one...

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "vitamin D deficiency could be an issue as it was rare for someone not to have seen the sun in four years"

    so come out into the sunlight, Sweden's nice this time of year!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I think he'll pass, the beer is a bit pricey and he might not like their hotel rooms.

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    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Yes, wide open skies, completely devoid of any reaper drones, just lots of sun and lovely vitamin D :)

      1. Mark 85 Silver badge
        Trollface

        I understand that Gitmo gets lots of sunshine except in hurricane season.*

        *Might as well play the paranoia card here.... even though it appears the US has zero interest in bringing to the States. Or maybe they just want everyone to think that until he steps out of the embassy?

  4. Poncey McPonceface

    That's a long time …

    “Assange was speaking via a live video from the Ecuadorian embassy, where he has been staying for years, while wearing a black T-shirt with white lettering – the word "truth" in lowercase.”

    … to be wearing the same t-shirt.

    1. Robert Carnegie Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: That's a long time …

      When he got it it was upper case.

      Yes, all right, that is a silly joke to make. Well, I happen to be a silly person.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: That's a long time …

        Uppercase?

        Isn't that where all the Swedish trouble started? [JOKE]

        Anon. [Its a bad JOKE]

  5. Your alien overlord - fear me

    How the US election operates....

    1. People register to vote (if they're not illegal immigrants)

    2. On polling day, they go out and vote (some fat lazy bastards get electronic voting so don't need to get off the couch)

    3. The illuminati decides who will be president anyway (had to throw that in didn't I?)

    1. DavCrav Silver badge

      Re: How the US election operates....

      "3. The illuminati decides who will be president anyway (had to throw that in didn't I?)"

      I thought it was the Templars, now known as Abstergo. Maybe that's jointly with the Illuminati.

      1. GhostSeven

        Re: How the US election operates....

        May the Father of Understanding guide us.

        1. wolfetone Silver badge

          Re: How the US election operates....

          You're all wrong.

          It's the Lizard people.

          1. lglethal Silver badge
            Joke

            Re: How the US election operates....

            The Lizard people aren't being particularly subtle with their candidate this year are they?

            1. theblackhand

              Re: How the US election operates....

              OK - I'm confused.

              So do Americans (at least the variety in the US of A) vote for a president or which conspiracy will elect a president or some other option I've missed?

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: How the US election operates....

                I think it all became clear a some years ago:

                1. No rational person would vote for George.W.

                2. He was president.

                3. Therefore either the majority of Americans are not rational or the potion of president is not directly connected to the way people voted.

                I think we could go back to even before that with Reagan.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: How the US election operates....

                  >1. No rational person would vote for George.W.

                  Sadly the US actually fought to keep Mississippi in the Union. Payback has been a continuing b*tch.

                  1. Triggerfish

                    Re: How the US election operates....

                    Actually I think Bill Hicks said it, you choose who you vote for, just after they are elected they are taken in a room with loads of shadowy fat cats smoking cigars, who run a reel of the Kennedy assasination from some angle you have never seen the before, then they ask "Any questions?".

              2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

                Re: How the US election operates....

                "So do Americans (at least the variety in the US of A) vote for a president or which conspiracy will elect a president or some other option I've missed?"

                Yeah, it's another option. Each voter votes to instruct their representative how to vote at the Electoral College.

                Said representative then casts their vote at the Electoral College. IIRC there's nothing in law or the voting system that actually requires said representative to vote in the way their State chose.

            2. Frumious Bandersnatch Silver badge

              Re: How the US election operates....

              The Lizard people aren't being particularly subtle with their candidate this year

              Eh? "Candidates", surely?

              Kodos: It's a two party system! You have to vote for one of us!

              Man: He's right, this is a two-party system

          2. Preston Munchensonton
            Coat

            Re: How the US election operates....

            You're all wrong.

            It's the Lizard people.

            Obviously not. Everyone knows that it's the underpants gnomes.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: How the US election operates....

              "You're all wrong.

              It's the Lizard people.

              Obviously not. Everyone knows that it's the underpants gnomes."

              I thought it was the crabpeople.

    2. Robert Carnegie Silver badge

      Re: How the US election operates....

      "On polling day, they go out and vote (some fat lazy bastards get electronic voting so don't need to get off the couch)"

      You forgot to mention goofy flaky voting machines. http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/29/80

      ..."Zip" drives?? Nostalgia attack!!! (not!)

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "significant" material about how the US election operates

    I'll pre-wiki this leak, it goes like this: the candidate backed by more money wins.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "significant" material about how the US election operates

      ... and it's the truth, because I'm holed up in a Lizard embassy and they're out to get me!

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    In other news

    Attention seeking arsehole seeks attention whilst simultaneously being an arsehole.

    Trump / Assange... which am I referring to?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      which am I referring to?

      Yourself?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    Major revelation released by WikiLeaks ...

    ... Clinton is a woman.

    ... Trump is rich (albeit maybe not as much as he likes to make out).

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Ah, now Trump makes sense

    I was wondering why he was so stubborn about not releasing his tax returns, especially since he has proclaimed his tax avoidance as "smart". Maybe it shows a deduction for a charitable payment to Wikileaks?

    Otherwise I cannot see why such an announcement is timed just before the elections. If such a release was genuinely to address government issues it could have waited afterwards to avoid giving the impression that they've just sold out to become stooges to whoever pays the most.

    Well, bye bye credibility. Not that there was much left anyway.

    (and yes, I would have said the same if it was about Trump - the US elections are insane enough not to suffer from idiots trying to throw more sh*t at it).

    1. Voland's right hand Silver badge

      Re: Ah, now Trump makes sense

      Maybe it shows a deduction for a charitable payment to Wikileaks?

      Ain't going to work - they are not a registered charity in any of the jurisdictions Trump & Co operate. In fact, I do not think they are a registered charity in any jurisdiction period.

      1. Jame_s

        Re: Ah, now Trump makes sense

        neither was the trump foundation, that never stopped him

        1. DougS Silver badge

          Re: Ah, now Trump makes sense

          The NY law requiring registration of charities is only triggered if you accept donations from the outside. If you donate to your own charity, it isn't needed.

          Though the digging done by a dogged Washington Post reporter who contacted 326 charities found only ONE donation, of under $10,000 from Donald Trump since 2008. He hasn't donated to his own foundation since 2008, everything it got has been from the outside (hence the need to register it with the state of New York) But he has used it for personal uses, like buying portraits of himself, signed memorabilia, and at least twice to make donations to other charities to settle debts of his company - something that's quite illegal.

          I think Trump refusing to release his return was three reasons:

          1) hide the fact he hadn't paid taxes in ages (even after the 18 year period for the $915 million loss expired, he's probably had subsequent losses some years to allow him to continue paying no taxes) This explains why he was getting the property tax break for having taxable income of less than $500K, something he earlier claimed was a mistake (despite it being automated by computer and happening in multiple years) He got that break because his taxable income was ZERO.

          2) hide the fact he contributes little or nothing to charity. Since it wouldn't reduce his tax burden, he probably sees it as pointless. Especially when he can lie and claim he donates millions, knowing that no one ever checks - until you run for president!

          3) hide the fact that he's not nearly has rich as he claims. Who knows what his net worth is, but it sure isn't $10 billion. If he was worth anything remotely like that much he would be funding his campaign like he said he would, and wouldn't be running scams like charging over 3x the going rate for the Trump Tower office space his company is renting his campaign.

          While #1 has been exposed, he doesn't want #2 and #3 exposed as well. Who knows, maybe among the big dump Wikipedia is claiming is coming soon will be Trump's complete tax returns. Surely some hacker has been able to hack his accountant? I'm sure Hillary will have a lot of bad stuff in that dump as well, so it probably wouldn't even matter for the election - but it would matter for a civilian Trump (whether that's in November 2016 or November 2020) who could no longer claim to be the big deal that he claims he is which would irreparably damage his brand.

    2. Mark 85 Silver badge

      Re: Ah, now Trump makes sense

      Otherwise I cannot see why such an announcement is timed just before the elections. If such a release was genuinely to address government issues it could have waited afterwards to avoid giving the impression that they've just sold out to become stooges to whoever pays the most.

      You missed the point... it's something that might affect the election. It will bring media attention to Wikileaks and Mr. A.. After the election, it won't garner much attention.

      1. DougS Silver badge

        Re: Ah, now Trump makes sense

        What would be the point of releasing information that supposedly could swing the election AFTER the election? Assuming it is true, and assuming people care, then it is relevant to people's decision about who to vote for.

        At least for that 10 or 15 percent who are amenable to changing their minds. The people who have been supporting Trump for months would still vote for him even if he did shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, and the people who have been supporting Hillary for months would still vote for her even if video surfaced proving she did found ISIS.

        The risk is that if someone fabricated false "evidence" against one of the candidates using Wikileaks as a patsy, and it is released so close to the election that it can't be disproven in time to avoid swinging the election.

    3. Winkypop Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: Ah, now Trump makes sense

      I never expected to see those words in a sentence...

  10. tr1ck5t3r

    The US are dragging themselves down in more ways than one.

    https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Yes, measuring room temperature IQ in Fahrenheit is only going to deceive people for so long..

    2. Voland's right hand Silver badge

      I call bull

      I continued reading it until I saw Israel having lower average measurement than most Western European countries.

      I have some very serious doubts in the testing methodology which went into that study and the level of cultural or language bias involved.

    3. Captain DaFt

      https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

      Hm... interesting correlation between that chart and the one on this site.

      Bear in mind, correlation doesn't equal causation.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    perhaps...

    Assange should take trolling lessons from Tyson Fury

  12. Timmay

    Help/hinder Clinton?

    Wikileaks offered a glimpse of one reveal about Clinton; "Can't we just drone this guy?", she said about Assange... and people think this would harm Clinton? Actually, I think it'd bolster further support!

    1. Bernard M. Orwell Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Help/hinder Clinton?

      "Wikileaks offered a glimpse of one reveal about Clinton; "Can't we just drone this guy?", she said about Assange... and people think this would harm Clinton? Actually, I think it'd bolster further support"

      An unsanctioned drone attack made by the US against a south American embassy in the middle of London? Yeah, can't see any issues with that at all....

  13. Daleos

    WikiLeaks have amassed all this data and instead of releasing it when they have it, they sit on it until a time it causes the biggest disruption. There was a time when WikiLeaks was the antidote to politics. Now they seem to only want to release stuff to manipulate it. They've become part of the problem, not the solution.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Its possible..

      but I'd say their pattern more dictates a release strategy focused around getting the most attention around the issues that they highlight / data that they release.

      Releasing data on former presidential candidates after an election is over is not likely going to get the attention of the public. Even if they won the election.

      If you subscribe to the belief that wikilieaks is a whistleblowing organisation, then that makes sense.. no use blowing a whistle if no one is around to hear it.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Its possible..

        If you subscribe to the belief that wikilieaks is a whistleblowing organisation, then that makes sense.. no use blowing a whistle if no one is around to hear it.

        Ah, but that's the exact problem - is it really a support framework for whistleblowing? Or is it simply an effort to legitimise Assange's earlier hacking and give it a positive spin? I could have had some sympathy for Wikileaks if they indeed supported proper whistleblowers (which I define as people who want to report major problems that have no other place to go) and helped them to go public without utterly ruining their own life in the process, but I have no respect for data theft and throwing it all open on the street irrespective of consequences. That doesn't address anything and there's no justification for it. That's IMHO the problem with Wikileaks - it avoids the same transparency that it wants from governments and companies, and Assange's self aggrandising antics are not helping.

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