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It has been an odd day for Newsweek – its main site was taken offline after it published a story claiming a company owned by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump broke an embargo against doing deals with Cuba. The magazine first thought that the sheer volume of interest in its scoop was the cause for the outage, but …

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I wish I had the literary dexterity to properly lambaste Trump to the degree that he deserves, because the more I think about him the more my vocabulary degrades into four letter swearwords, repeated over and over, and I don't want to stoop to the level of his supporters so I'll just end with a line from the literary genius of others; he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!

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Don't worry ... Trump does it himself

During the debate, Trump said very little about Alicia Machado. The most memorable line was "Where did you find this?" (It is in a book he "wrote"). Afterwards, Trump went on a Twitter rant. Clearly he did a porn search, found lot of results but did not understand that occasionally the porn industry is not completely honest about who is in their videos.

During the debate Trump also falsely claims to have been against Iraq war 2 from the start. He also claimed that Hillary's staff started the "Obama not born in the US" lies and the he stopped his birtherism claims on September 2016 because Obama published his birth certificate in 2011. (Trump has a real problem with dates, blaming Hillary for things done by President Cheney Bush.)

I am sure we can expect a continuous stream of anti-Trump stories direct from the man himself all the way up to the election.

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I wish I had the literary dexterity to properly lambaste Trump

So do I. As I do not, I read Marina's rants:

What Citizen Trump can’t stand – the story is of Melania, not him

Nigel Farage: from Brexit hero to Trump’s little helper. That’s some career path

Some of the best stuff written on the subject - I give it my kids as a reading material: "Learn how to be insulting on a Gigaton scale without using a single swear word".

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> the more I think about him the more my vocabulary degrades into four letter swearwords, repeated over and over, and I don't want to stoop to the level of his supporters

Hasn't it generally been the people protesting Trump's candidacy that are the ones constantly screaming obscenities at peaceful rally-goers?

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" wish I had the literary dexterity to properly lambaste Trump to the degree that he deserves,"

how brave of you, A.C. - multi-downvotes from me ( but only one was counted )

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a.c.

No, it has not.

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Mushroom

Don't worry, no eloquence required

Trump's a white-collar gangster.

It's that simple.

Sadly he's far from unique, except in the sense that he's too stupid to know when to keep his mouth shut.

I'm not sure that makes him any worse than the rest, just more conspicuous. More worrying is the fact that this particular loud-mouthed, white-collar gangster is probably about to occupy the greatest position of power on Earth.

There can be only one of two outcomes: either his obnoxiousness completely isolates America, crushing American hegemony once and for all, or ...

Well, you know the rest.

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peaceful rally-goers

Aren't those the ones with the concealed-carry permits?

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"get your site smashed offline from Russia"

They must have pretty minimal DOS protection if traffic from a 3rd world country like Russia causes them problems...

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Re: Don't worry, no eloquence required

"Trump's a white-collar gangster.

It's that simple."

I thought he was a deep sleeper agent for Putin. Once elected, he'll dismantle the military and give Putin all the passwords for the innernets.

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Ha ha, no that's not what happens at all.

But nice try.

In fact those "peaceful rally-goers" have physically attacked non-violent protestors on numerous occasions. You can actually look this stuff up.

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Despair

If he wins I'm gonna have to figure out where, exactly, I can move to escape all possible fallout (in any sense)

This ddos is quite sinister, unprovable but suspect as Saville in an orphanage.

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Re: Despair

Get your ass to Mars!

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I suggest the good doctor hide under the bed. It's traditional in these cases.

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I'm using this election as a worst-case benchmark - what proportion of people are simply irremediably stupid/antisocial/uncaring in voting.

My thought until now has been that about 1/3 of the people will always vote Republican just'cuz daddy did and about 1/3 of the people will always vote Democrat cuz'justice! Thus there really is just a small middle portion of the voters that can actually be influenced.

Now take away those that will vote based on some cutesy sound-bite like "I'm a uniter, not a divider" and you realize everything hinges on maybe a fifth to a sixth of people who can be influenced *rationally*.

Hell, there are even people who _will_ vote for a candidate that can't think of a single foreign leader!! And *they* swear they are the *most* rational!

I think America ought to take out the part of the constitution that says a candidate for president must be native-born. America desperately needs to import brains!

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Re: Despair

There is no place on Earth which will remain unaffected once a person with his temperament and mental faculties has been given access to the launch codes.

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I think that so far the American people have proven to not really care about the alleged brainpower of their candidates. Case in point, The Orange Man (c) does not really strike me as an intelligent person. In the past, elected presidents have often been proven to be the intellectual runt of the litter.

Unfortunately we can safely state that even if you import the top 10 of intelligent, educated, empathic and suitable candidates for the post of president of the US they wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of being elected.

Equally unfortunately, the situation is much the same in the rest of the world.

The problem lies not with inferior candidates. It is inferior voters.

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I wonder who the lone nuts down voting me and you are? Russian hackers who can't figure out my password?

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"I suggest the good doctor hide under the bed. It's traditional in these cases."

What? With all those commies? WTF?

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Haha, more thumbs down.

God forbid you aren't delirious enough to think Trump and anyone who supports him is a dangerous loon.

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> Haha, more thumbs down.

Never mention the d*wnvotes, they tend to wake up and come after you, irrespective of what you have written.

Upvote & pint for balance ---------->

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"given access to the launch codes"

The man carrying 'The Football' will know that the launch codes in the briefcase will have been replaced with a stun gun and a straight-jacket. He'll have strict orders to disable and hog-tie President Trump in any such case.

Trump would be bundled off, disappeared and subsequently impeached.

Trump is unstable. The military leadership aren't going to take orders from a nutter. The Pentagon generals probably have plans for a lovely dinner on any given evening; and they'll not have those plans ruined by an unnecessary thermonuclear war.

There are 'humans in the loop' for a reason.

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Cape Breton if Trump Wins.

http://cbiftrumpwins.com/#intro

I'm not sure if it's outside the fallout zone. Probably not.

But it's quite lovely, and 99.44% Trump free.

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Excuse me, there's no room under this bed. My friend Jeremy has his pals over ....

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Re: Despair ; The problem lies not with inferior candidates. It is inferior voters.

that's my real issue with modern democracy

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This is exactly why I get simultaneously excited and depressed when I think about someone like Neil DeGrasse Tyson running for President. Yeah, he would in all likelihood, be one of the most sensible, logical, rational candidates that I could ever hope for in a contender. However, that being said, most Americans, judging by the lack of critical thinking during this three-ring circus of an election process, don't have any desire for logic, reason, sensibility, moderation, or diplomacy. That's seriously one of the most depressing things about the human race, at this moment in history. We can send a man to the moon, but we can't harness the power of critical thinking when it comes to electing people who are, one way or the other, chosen to represent us. You know, the government that exists to represent our best interests. We've forgotten about the government that was designed, with the intention of said elected officials actually being elected to be representatives of their constituency -- of the people, by the people, and for the people.

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Bit of a tangent.

I've thought about that. Put yourself in the position of a missile command planner working on targets for an all-out attack (whether retaliatory or first-strike). Looking at the UK, for instance: Obviously London, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow,.. all the major cities. You can work down the list by order of population. Then chuck in any significant infrastructure and known military sites. You're probably now looking at a map that's mostly obliterated by large red circles. I imagine the only bits left would be some of central Wales, some of Northumbria, the Highlands.

Now you have 400 more wild-card warheads to try to catch all the military bases, command bunkers, missile silos and whatnot that you *don't* know about.

(Oh yeah, and consider that Cork, say, or Limerick might make a usable base for any RN vessels or surviving NATO aircraft returning to find the UK a smoking cinder.)

AFAICT your best bets are sub-Saharan Africa or South America, being sure to keep at least 50 - 100km between you and the nearest city. Prevailing winds would also be a factor (though who knows what the nuclear winter would do to ocean basin / continent scale climates?)

Then you have to consider not only the standard survivalist stuff about food, fuel, water and other consumables, but also consider the Montana model of rampaging mobs of starving radioactive survivors hunting for signs of people with stashes of food, fuel, water,.. d'you want to rely on hiding? Or defending yourself with force? You're almost immediately into Bond villain levels of insanity; it's just not practical. Much better to make sure you're within a few miles of major targets so you get vapourised nice and quickly before you know what's going on. Sleep well!

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Mushroom

Re: "given access to the launch codes"

Well, you *could* be right - I hope to god you are! - but how would you be prepared to bet your life on it? What 7 billion lives?

Icon for illustrative purposes only.

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Re: Despair

I keep thinking about Iceland.

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Re: "given access to the launch codes"

So, the best you can find to say of Trump is that he wouldn't be allowed to do anything in office, and would lead instead to a military coup in the USA?

Now there's something to look forward to.

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Re: Despair ; The problem lies not with inferior candidates. It is inferior voters.

The candidates aren't inferior, they just have different objectives from the voters and the parties have worked really hard to create such polarisation and institutional inertia, that apathy is the natural response to two bad candidates, neither of whom would change anything. Which is what those with large purses want.

So people vote for the firework display.

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@Tom Paine. - yep. during my teens the fact that the Cold War was going on didn't make my depression any worse after I noted that where I lived was almost equidistant from 3 or4 RAF bases.Allowing for multiple warheads and misses, I'd probably have been vapourised, so it wasn;t worth thinking about surviving that I just concentrated on mundande stuff. Always a silver lining...

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Based on recent UK experience ... 52%

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Trump will win

For the similar reasons that Brexit happened: because a sizeable number of people are getting very fed up being told how little and stupid they are, how their views don't matter, are wrong all the time by people like us - why do always we think we know better? - and 'the media' - an aloof set of deeply arrogant and rigid people who all have the same opinions and who tolerate no disagreement and no deviation - getting spiteful, childish or just plain vicious if anyone dares to question that their narrative is not the only one. It's not even the most common one.

Trump will win mainly because he's not Clinton, who talks the (perfectly focus group scripted) talk very well, and can sure reel off plausible sounding statements as if they were facts, but has done nothing for anyone ever but herself and her very ill looking husband. Clinton is in it entirely for herself. Trump is in it just for him. They both have deep, fundamental and troubling issues, shall we say.

Before the downvotes start, this is not an endorsement; it's a prediction.

I don't envy America's choice one bit.

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OTOH, there are a lot of Americans who are Republican through and through who are not going to vote for DT simply because it is DT and they regard him as unsutable to be President.

His rants about a woman who my have appeard in a porn film and dared to speak up against him are pitiful but large parts of (Sad to say this) 'Trailer Trash American' will lap it up. Many of them won't vote for Hillary because she is a woman and they still think that a woman's place is in the home.

Sad to say, I think he will win and that won't be good for anyone but Trump and his pal Putin.

Just watch Dr Strangelove for my opinion of him.

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Stopped reading after Brexit

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Failure to even find out about the view of others is why we are where we are, AC. For all your smugness you're just another contributing factor. Your sort pretty much guarantee Trump's sort.

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I think Idiocracy is more appropriate

Even the guys behind the film are dismayed to find their predictions of the far future realised in only a decade.

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Bit alarmed you spent more of that post lambasting Clinton.

Not that she's sound- I get the unmistakable air of sociopath - but on a Trump topic and the fact it's Trump means he should get an 80/20 share of any shellacking and unfortunately Hillary remains the only one worth voting for.

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"Stopped reading after Brexit"

You've read nothing since 23rd June? Impressed.

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"OTOH, there are a lot of Americans who are Republican through and through who are not going to vote for DT simply because it is DT and they regard him as unsutable to be President."

Don't kid yourself.

You think America will just roll over and let England win the "Dumbest Vote Result 2016" award without a fight?

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Anyone seen Scott Adams' blog (dilbert.com) for a view on why Trump has got this far?

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For the similar reasons that Brexit happened: because a sizeable number of people are getting very fed up being told how little and stupid they are

Not quite. Everything which they were told about "the interest of British Industry" was phrased literally as "in the interest of the Fat Cats".

Even if the people were _NOT_ going to vote Exit, the way the advantages were presented to them alienated them straight away. Not surprising, considering that the "Remain" campaign head was more or less an exclusive Fat Cat club. Even if they truly wanted to present an argument geared towards the intended audience, they would have been unable to so as they have no clue what to say as they have never earned an honest living in their entire life. Pretty much every single one of them. They presented THEIR argument all right. With the expected result.

That is slightly different (and not in a good way) from Clinton vs Trump. Clintons have a record in providing "interests of the industry" (NAFTA, TTIP, etc) which Joe Assembly Line worker associates with Fat Cats getting fatter and him getting poorer. She has, however, turned 180 degrees on that now so at the very least she is not trying to do the Fat Cat argument any more. However, with her record so far that may be worse than trying to present the non-Fat Cat arguments as what she has done is not forgotten and she now looks to be insincere about it.

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"this is not an endorsement; it's a prediction."

I certainly HOPE you are RIGHT! Mega-thumbs-up for the honesty, at least.

because, the aftermath of another Clint-stone occupying the white house would be *HIDEOUS*. 4 more years of the "Obaka" garbage, *AND* *THEN* *SOME*. Remember, Her Royal Heinous, Mrs. Clint-stone, was too frightening in 2008 to win the primary against OBAKA...

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"Stopped reading after Brexit"

That's strange. I know a few people who stopped reading anything intelligent a long while before voting for it

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just to be clear, the Daily Fail doesn't count as reading .....

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Actually, Trump will lose thanks to the Electoral College. You don't really need a majority vote, you just need enough states to go for one candidate to win. Trump managed to piss off enough states to make a Hillary win a sure thing.

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Re: Stop Reading after Brexit vote.

Absolutely. That's one Berkshire town that's too big for its boots.

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United Kingdom != England

<sigh />

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a sizeable number of people are getting very fed up being told how little and stupid they are, how their views don't matter, are wrong all the time by people like us

I concur up to a point. That in itself (the whole of the sentence, not just the bit I snipped) is not in itself sufficient to lead to recklessly "what have we got to lose?" type voting, per Trump, Brexit & so on. Those people must also (1) lack the imagination or the cultural memory needed to realise that actually, yes they HAVE got something to lose - quite a lot more than they might think, in fact. I suspect the good people of Sunderland will be gradually coming to terms with that over the next two decades or so. Alternatively, (2) they need to be so lacking in critical thinking skills that they fall for obvious lies. Pick the examples of your choice, there are lots. This factor can be mitigated by teaching critical thining, how to "read" the mass media, the nature of politics and democracy, etc etc at secondary schools -- properly teach, I mean, not a couple of hours towards the end of the fifth year. That could conceivably happen here, with a fair wind and the right politicians happening to get into power for a few years; but can you imagine the ruckus if Congress tried to pass federal laws mandating it on the syllabus in the US? Not a cat in hell's chance.

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