back to article Great British Great Bake Off gets new judge

Long weekends cooped up in a cramped sweaty workplace, grappling with unstable materials, your work critiqued by an harsh and judgemental boss. No - not your job hacking PHP or flogging some piece of dead tin in the data centre but the life of the average contestant on the Great British Bake Off. Most of your colleagues …

From a week or so ago

"Could you hold my jugs"

"Let's all eat the carpet"

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I'm sure they go straight over the heads of their most loyal viewers, Middle England, and will continue to do so until the Daily Mail catches on and dedicates several pages to the horrific filth that Mel and Sue peddle to the nation's children.

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Re: From a week or so ago

No you patronising tosser, we all got it.

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to do so until the Daily Mail catches on

If Godwin's still around he needs a new law, to cover the fact that any comment thread on the Reg will deteriorate really, really quickly until some moron irrelevantly invokes the Daily Mail as the fount of all evil.

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If Godwin's still around he needs a new law, to cover the fact that any comment thread on any "internet forum" Reg will deteriorate really, really quickly until some moron irrelevantly invokes the Daily Mail as the fount of all evil.

TFTFY

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As nobody can relevantly invoke the Daily Mail as the fount of anything good, we are left with everybody irrelevantly invoking it as the fount of all evil. This shouldn't be enough to annoy anyone, it's just logic.

Just thought I'd toss that out there patronisingly.

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Just thought I'd toss that out there patronisingly.

I shall consider myself patronised.

But to make things right, I lay claim to my new Law of Comment Forums, and declare with immediate effect that the concept that any British comment thread degenerates until the Daily Mail is invoked shall henceforth and evermore be known as Ledswinger's Law.

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Re: From a week or so ago

ORLY? How about this: the Daily Mail campaigned for justice for Stephen Lawrence, taking on the Met police in the process. Not all bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Stephen_Lawrence

Just sayin'.

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WTF?

IT angle? Really?

Come on El Reg - WTF has this to do with anything? I can't even get a sniff of IT out of the story (sic).

It seems these days that the comments sections are often so much more interesting than the stories. I guess I'll have to wait for the comments to fill out and come back later.

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You telling me you don't eat a pastry while on your computer?

If you deny this then we want to see the state of your computer keyboard. And I wouldn't be doing a Hillary Clinton if I were you.

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The article appears under the rubric of "Bootnotes" - everyday diversions not necessarily directly involving IT. Its a leavening of the minutiae of tin shifting.

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@AC Re: WTF?

Upvoted for use of the word 'minutiae' and the subtle baking references.

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Funny really but my wife watches it avidly and I tend to follow it while doing other things.

It is well made and well presented, and many people eat bread and cakes.

Oh and it has now been partly lost from TV

BBC1 has a watchable HD channel

C4 does not as it has some graffiti I can't shift.

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Sure.

Nothing like good cake and plenty of coffee or tea to make sure the guy from the IT department stays long enough to finish the job properly and wait until I've tested that it works.

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Pleased to have gotten a rise out of you, Version 1.0.

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Can't shift graffiti with C4? WTF? indeed.

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Version 1.0 wondered: "IT angle?"

Ballmer, Gates, Ellison & Page were all mentioned in TFA. Works for me :-)

(Yes, I know, "Bootnotes" covers all sins.)

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LOL - 24 down votes? I'm laughing all the way to the cookie jar! OK, I love the show but I'm still trying to wrap my head around this in El Reg but I still maintain that the comments are better than the story.

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Obviously not a GDS project manager then :). They tend to test after the dev have left the building and then bring in another contractor to fix the bugs. After all, its only the taxpayer who pays for it.

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Graffiti is on C4HD, C4 is watchable.

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graffiti

It doesn't have a red triangle does it?

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No it has a logo stuck on the screen

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The BBC is skint?

It's been hand-ringing with this irrelevant shite all week, and finally the bleeding obvious dawns on it.

Fun fact - the 450 presenters, engineers, bag carriers, emotional support therapists etc the BBC sent to cover the Brazil Olympics, all with first class flights/accommodation, cost more than the UK government spent funding sports in its entirety in the 4 years since the last Olympics.

Who's money is it again?

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All flights first class? Really? Any source for that that's not the Daily Fail?

Personally I'm delighted that it's one of the few major sporting events that's still available FTA in this country, rather than being sucked into the paywalled extortion machine that's Sky Sports like all the rest.

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> Fun fact - the 450 presenters, engineers, bag carriers, emotional support therapists etc the BBC sent to cover the Brazil Olympics, all with first class flights/accommodation, cost more than the UK government spent funding sports in its entirety in the 4 years since the last Olympics.

Top tip - If you're going to make stuff up, try and make it at least slightly believable.

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@Credas - It is simple Dacre bollocks, I'm betting only the 'talent' got first class, the rest of the BBC workers wouldn't, most of the athletes didn't even get First Class on their return (they *were* all on the same plane). Considering how much the country enjoys and watches the Olympics, I think the coverage was money well spent (perhaps not Inverdale)

"Personally I'm delighted that it's one of the few major sporting events that's still available FTA in this country"

And that's because it has a government protected status. Only a few sporting events have 'Category A' protected status but those that do *must* be shown live on FTA channels.

I believe the current list is:

FIFA World Cup finals (all matches); UEFA European Football Championship finals (all matches); FA Cup Final (both men's and women's); Scottish Cup Final (applies to Scotland only); Grand National; Epsom Derby; Rugby league Challenge Cup final; Rugby union World Cup final; Wimbledon Championships men's and women's finals & wheelchair finals (not the whole tournament); Olympic & Paralympic Games (both summer and winter) - really not that many.

Everything else is free to take BT or Murdoch's dime, although there is a 'B' list where there must be highlights or delayed coverage on FTA television. It's interesting that some sports deliberately chose to argue for themselves to be removed from the list so that they could take Murdoch money and have become far less a part of public consciousness as a result (Test Cricket).

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It's also noticeable that interest in the UEFA Champions League has plunged since UEFA took BT's money and it went pay to view.

Curiously UEFA are concerned about this, and have told BT that they expect them to do more to popularize the Champions League. It's almost as if they didn't realize that making people pay for a product that they used to get for free would be a bad idea...

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I would have added F1

Also I thought 6 Nations was on there.

Pay TV is the best way of long term killing a sport.

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> Personally I'm delighted that it's one of the few major sporting events that's still available FTA in this country, rather than being sucked into the paywalled extortion machine that's Sky Sports like all the rest.

Would now be a bad time to tell you the Olympics are going to Eurosport?

There's still some argument about exactly how much has to be made available FTA under the current rules in the UK, with around 200 hours being suggested. This is after the IOC bypassed all the national broadcasters and sold the European rights en-masse to Eurosport without even giving the likes of the BBC a chance to bid on them.

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The current GBBO deal is reported to be £7.5m/year. For the new deal Auntie were reportedly prepared to pay £15m but Love productions* wouldn't entertain anything below £25m.

Now a doubling of the cost is one thing but demanding 3x the current deal is quite a hike. Yes the show is successful and Love own the format/rights but they didn't seem to recognise the BBC nurtured the show from nothing to its current popularity.

If you'd gone to a commissioning editor at ITV or Sky 8 years ago and pitched a reality show making cakes you'd have been laughed out the room, just as you would have been if you'd pitched a prime-time celebrity ballroom dancing show in 2001...

*I'm just going to chuck in here that apparently Love is 70% a Murdoch tentacle...

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@MJI - Formula 1 is shared between Sky and terrestrial and apparently has no protection - here the list of sporting events covered by category A and B listing - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofcom_Code_on_Sports_and_Other_Listed_and_Designated_Events

What this shows is that even though F1 is a terribly run sport they are reluctant to go completely off free to air so understand that there is benefit in many people seeing their races.

The Six Nations is in a weird position, it has no protection - the group that run it do know the value of it, they keep it to February/March partly because few other sports are prominent. The Unions also know that as a smaller sport trying to grow, putting it on Sky would kill the sport as an annual event. It's also a case that the England games are far more valuable than the Welsh and Scottish (not a judgement of quality, just the advertising revenue), so the other Unions would be reluctant to have their position weakened by the negotiations for England games, currently they can dictate much more to the BBC and ITV as equals with the English Union than if they all sold out to Sky - each weekend would all revolve around the England game (moreso than now). So the 6 Nations going to Sky might not be in the interests of most of the 6 Nations and would undermine the Unions' attempts to grow the sport. So they've half sold out to ITV and the BBC.

Naturally Wales is keen on the government to put protected status on the 6 Nations, as without it, they might end up with only the World Cup as a chance to watch their national sport live, and only every 4 years. There have been suggestions that the protected List is very much protecting middle class cares at the expense of what the working class and the provinces care about (notice that there are 2 horse races protected on a short list)

Everyone has seen what has happened to Cricket (Tests were massive in 2005, went to Sky and much less notable afterwards) and few are foolhardly enough to follow the same path.

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Don Dumb

I know F1 is not on that list but it should have been as it WAS one of the most watched casual audience sports on TV. And as a mainly British sport important to the country.

6 Nations, I actually watch it, glad to see the RFU are sensible.

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Jaywin

That is pretty shitty to everyone concerned and a channel scan shows no Eurosport on my satellite box, will try TV again some time, but I spent ages renumbering all of the channels to their old locations.

I have various reasons to not go Sky, OK too many to list but stiffling satellite technology is one of them. Not forgetting that walnut head is an arse.

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"Personally I'm delighted that it's one of the few major sporting events that's still available FTA in this country, rather than being sucked into the paywalled extortion machine that's Sky Sports like all the rest".

Every time a sport goes behind a Sky or BT paywall, the same thing happens: the viewing figures plummet. That is a successful way of killing off public interest in a sport.

Where I live, kids no longer play cricket in the summer; it's only football or tennis. That is because they are no longer exposed to cricket on free to air television.

Recently, Formula One Management did a £££ greed and avarice deal with Sky so that from 2019 onwards, only the British Grand Prix will be shown live and in full. The outcome is inevitable; public interest in Formula One racing will wane and no one will care about that sport any more despite the UK being the home of Formula One.

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Whilst I agree that not all of them probably went first class, I do wonder how much UK government spends funding sports. Remember most of the money 'UK Sport' receives comes from the National Lottery

A bit of research suggests that in 2015 less than £7M came from the government. I doubt the BBC have spent £28M on the RIO Olympics but it might not be far off, given how adept the BBC are at squandering money.

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Given how much the IOC demand for the TV rights, £28m to actually screen them would be a drop in the ocean.

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Quite frankly, a quick (g)oogle on liveleak under the heading "brazil/brasil" will reveal an utter shithole of a city where life isnt worth a cup of coffee.

Considering the hell hole that awaited the athletes flying them first class, each with their own private lear jet, eagle feather pillows and beluga caviar topped with diamonds woulnd't have been enough of an incentive IMHO.

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TVU

I was a huge fan of motorsport, I loved the Mansell era, the WRC McCrae and Burns era, the BTTC when it was all sorts such as Sierra Cosworth & M3s.

Haven't watched an F1 race since BBC stopped doing all live, and guess what?

I DO NOT MISS IT.

I now have a few more hours at the wekend to do things, a bit of DIY, a bit of modelling, go out somewhere, car maintenance.

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"Fun fact - the 450 presenters, engineers, bag carriers, emotional support therapists etc the BBC sent to cover the Brazil Olympics, all with first class flights/accommodation, cost more than the UK government spent funding sports in its entirety in the 4 years since the last Olympics."

That's funny because earlier in the year the Daily Wail was reporting that BBC presenters, engineers, bag carriers, emotional support therapists etc had refused to go to Brazil over the Zika situation.

Just more bollocks from from the anti-BBC print-media moguls and their lapdog "editors" I guess.

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It is probably a bit drastic to move to Brazii just to get good sports TV. I can get the golf majors, Tour de France, F1, Wimbledon, most important rugby internationals, loads of European soccer including live UK Premiership matches and loads more. Over half have commentaries in English too. Pity I don't get most Brazilian footie :)

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"Fun fact - the 450 presenters, engineers, bag carriers, emotional support therapists etc the BBC sent to cover the Brazil Olympics, all with first class flights/accommodation"

Is that the old-fashioned sort of fact, that's researched and verified, or the modern post-truth-politics sort of fact that you just make up to fit your prejudices?

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Channel 4 get to watch Mr Kipling 'Bake off', in celeb shocker.

We should give contestants all ovens with a Microsoft Progress bar as the only timer, could be an IT angle to make techies remotely interested in the shittest of shit TV.

I assume most people here leave this on for their Dog while they (make sure) they are out while this is on. To comfort the Dog? no one seriously watches 1950's harp back TV? Do they? Figures suggest different, but I ain't one of them, my Dog is.

I've never understood the appeal of watching TV of someone else cooking, you can't exactly smell or taste the food. If it interests you, get in the kitchen, experiment and actually cook for someone.

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"[...] you can't exactly smell or taste the food."

That depends on your imagination. MRI scans have found that remembering something often triggers activity in the same areas of the brain as does the real world experience. You can have Proustian moments in reverse. We describe the sight of some foods as literally "mouth watering".

Nowadays when I am tempted to buy a rich cake - I stand at the display and slowly savour the remembered texture and taste. If it is in the supermarket - that memory often includes the disappointment that the cakes did not live up to expectations. Works wonders for my low sugar/carbohydrate diet regime - while also helping to satisfy any craving.

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Re: Channel 4 get to watch Mr Kipling 'Bake off', in celeb shocker.

So you don't like $very_popular_thing AC? Wow, you are so flipping cool. Can I be your friend?

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@AC - "I've never understood the appeal of watching TV of someone else cooking, you can't exactly smell or taste the food."

I can't eat the foods I really want to very often but seeing people who are good at making them and make them in creative ways, does give me enjoyment. Sort of food porn I guess.

I must admit I don't like most cookery programmes but GBBO seems to have the right mix of entertainment (including the time pressure and cooking difficulty) and some really tasty looking food. A lot of the skill seems to be the creative/engineering aspect.

"If it interests you, get in the kitchen, experiment and actually cook for someone."

And guess what, the SO watches GBBO, gets some ideas and goes and tries to make them. Some people seem to think GBBO's just making Victoria sponge every week but it does introduce things we've never heard of and we have made them since.

It's hardly the greatest show on earth, but it's an enjoyable hour's television.

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I have to go with AC, I don't like it either; and I do enjoy cooking, although not baking I have to admit.

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Re: Channel 4 get to watch Mr Kipling 'Bake off', in celeb shocker.

"Can I be your friend?"

What so we can talk (talk, not cook - been the operative word) endless drivel about Bake off and snear at its contestants, analysing their behaviour, through the eyes of a so called 'better superior celeb person" - a cake / pastry expert?

(While the reality in 2016, the largest ever percentage of the UK's population get their food from Food Banks)

I'll pass if its all the same.

BBC hype this shit like is some miracle of quality TV programming, its a weak format at best (and that's if you like it)

I think we've forgotten the BBC made classics like "Our Friends in the North", "When the boat comes in", that took real skill and thought (even courage) to produce, this diluted Bake Off format (into multiple spin-offs) has been hyped up so much, we are meant to get upset when the BBC loses Bake Off, FFS.

Quality programming? Talk about been fed slops, accepting it as real food.

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Clarkson will be able to get a shedload of food processors, and use each one, detailing the issues he experienced with each unit, and which unit's got better traction on a slippery tabletop, which's got good gear... err, utensil changes, which's got good view on the action and so on...

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More likely he'll slap four wheels on one and attempt to drive it to Brighton, where he, Foggy & Clegg will be unable to stop it going over the end of the pier.

Much hilarity will ensue.

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