The Gift That Keeps On Givvinggg
An Irish court has authorized the extradition to the US of a man accused of helping to administer the infamous Silk Road website. Gary Davis, 27, of Kilpedder, Co Wicklow, has moved one step closer to a US trial on charges of conspiracy to distribute narcotics, computer hacking and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Mr …
Plea bargins, mandatory minimum sentences, use of solitary confinement, cruel and unusual punishment, overcrowding, sentencing to "make an example of", use of death sentence.
The US is a barbaric nation who should be told to take a hike, regardless of the crime. Then announce open season to hack their governments servers, and supply their citizens with all the online gambling an drugs they want.
Americans desperatly need to be liberated.
Yes the US justice system is not perfect by any means and has made errors, at least in the US if you can prove your innocence you'll walk free.
So what would you say about being extradited to Russia or China, Saudi Arabia, Eritrea and many more far worse than the US? I know any of these would be a more frightening place to be tried.
Not going on a rant cos 'Americans desperatly need to be liberated.' Learn to proof read or spell please AC cos your thick?
"at least in the US if you can prove your innocence you'll walk free"
That statement is everything that's wrong with the US. The fact that it has managed to make it's own people believe this...
Look: innocent unless proven guilty. The burden of proof is not on the accused, and never, ever should be. You should never have to prove your innocence. The prosecution should have to prove your guilt. And beyond a reasonable doubt, especially where high sentences or capital punishment is on offer.
Furthermore: justice does not consist of revenge. A justice system should not concern itself with punishment, but with rehabilitation.
If the Norse can do it, you'd think a country whose countrymen fancy themselves the greatest in the world could get even a fraction of the way towards that level of evolution...
The main reason a justice system exists is to protect honest people from criminals avoiding self-justice and revenge. It means criminals needs to be separated and put where they can cause no arm for enough time, and to disincentive them from keeping on.
Rehabilitation should be a side effect of the system. Useful, if you can reduce the number of criminals, but if you made it the main aim (mostly based on religious beliefs, including the religion called socialism), the justice system starts to fail spectacularly, and honest people are utterly damaged.
Especially since criminals are trained to cheat. Many of them will cheat easily those who wish to rehabilitate them - usually people with so many prejudices it's really easy to cheat them - and keep on being criminals - because some people simply prefer crime to an hard working life.
There should be much more emphasis on preventing people becoming criminals, than trying to rehabilitate them afterwards (just, you'll always have true criminals). Yet, even "rehabilitation" can be a real business for many people...
Hilarious. IMO it merely separates those who have been prosecuted from those who haven't. Thus a false sense of protection is created. Jimmy Saville, most notably, died unprosecuted for his multiple crimes. Wealthy and connected people have avoided prosecution which they should rightly face. Those who face protection often are treated leniently. There is scant justice for the less financially able in the UK and even less so in most of the USA where the use of commercial bail bonds punishes the innocent and guilty alike.
The main reason Americans can't understand this, is because they separate people into "good people" and "bad people", according to puritanism. No shades of grey.
Based on the religion of capitalism, they decided that prisons should be run for-profit, and people with mental health problems should be "cared for" by the for-profit prison system.
At least on the last point I TOTALLY agree with you. We should prevent people becoming criminals with a strong social nets, and quality mental-health treatment free at point of use.
"Yes the US justice system is not perfect by any means and has made errors, at least in the US if you can prove your innocence you'll walk free."
not entirely, 'guilt' must be proven, and innocence is presumed. All of the burden is on the prosecution.
That being said, our jails are rather full at the moment... [so they must be pretty good at it]
But yeah, those "oh my heart bleeds for you" kinds of excuses like Ass-burgers and depression are rarely accepted these days, even by the most left-leaning liberal judges [of which there are many]. I find it laughable that the attorney even TRIED that.
Lets see... 'Ass burgers' - that's when you don't give a flying FEEL about others' emotions, because you're a REAL MAN and not some flaky feely wimp... and its definition as a 'disorder' or 'condition' is just part of the "WIMP-IFICATION and DUMB-IFICATION of society" process like AD[H]D and other 'genius' diseases. yeah, let's call SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE 'disordered' so we don't FEEL bad about ourselves NOT being successful! (and use it as an excuse for 'whatever crime' and/or jurisdictional extradition)
Gitmo and extraordinary rendition
It won't take the US DA long to conjour up 'Enemy combatant' charges against him and whoosh, off to Gitmo he goes. Just a dry run you understand for Kim Dotcom.
As has been said many times, there are US laws that cover the whole planet and they are making sure that they get enforced by the book and to the full extent of the law i.e. Max Sentences for even the most monir crime. After all where else can you be sentenced to 300 years in jail?
What US law would allow that ? The charge would be giving material aide to the enemy which still is a civilian not military the max sentence is 20 years. Rendition is carried out by the CIA. If they were going to do a rendition they would not file extradition, Once on American soil he has certain rights. I know you might dislike America, buit please come up with real facts not just feelings .
There is a treaty but it has never been tested in a court.
If it were, I'd fully expect it to be taken right up to the USSC and still be appealed forever and a day
There seems a view in parts of the US Legal System  is that there is only one law on this planet and that is US Law. So with that premise why would anyone even consider the laws of other countries to have any basis at all even though much of US Law was based upon English Common Law.
 sitting next to a Constitutional Lawyer on a flight from SFO to JFK taught me that.
In the USA it is sometimes said that if you hav eenough money you can get a not guilty verdict. Perhaps this is why African-Americans make up the majority of the Prison population as they clearly don't have enough money to buy justice.
I make sure that I have at least $2M in legal insurance whenever I go to the US. Even this might not be enough.
And rightly so. Pretty much any of the charges laid down by the US as reasons for extradition are almost certainly applicable under Irish law too. Try him in Ireland. If, assuming he is guilty and convicted, the US can come up with more charges to lay which are in addition to those he's served time for, then consider extradition.
THIS is another reason I hate where we are now...
Aspergers has no relevance to "crime". In all probability, it's probably detrimental, as the information handling skills of those on the "high functioning end of the spectrum" tend to be better: he WILL have known and understood what he was doing...
Depression has no relevance to the "crime". Someone with genuine clinical depression would not have been doing *anything*, and now he's ben caught of COURSE he's "depressed"...
Both conditions *may* have some applicability to legal process, and need to be consdered when questioning the individual, but really, just showboating by legal team.
Full disclosure: yes, I have first hand personal relevant "experience": not talking theoretically.
Biting the hand that feeds IT © 1998–2019