back to article Zuck: You're still using non-Facebook websites ... I'll put an end to that

At the opening keynote of the Facebook F8 developer conference, Mark Zuckerberg has outlined his company's plan to get everyone online and hooked on Facebook within the next decade. "Instead of building walls we can help people build bridges, instead of dividing people we can bring people together – one connection at a time, …

"Instead of dividing people we can bring people together"

I applaud the sentiment but how many rows have started because of what someone said on facebook?

I deleted my facebook account a couple of years back and have no plans to ever create one again.

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Sick of this charade

Facebook is finally showing it's true colours and it's users sharing less actual personal info and more stuff from other sites.

I gave up my facebook years ago and it was the best thing then as it is now to be without the crap that it was and is.

I don't miss the pokes, the shite and mindless crud that it became.

I hope more people see there is a world outside of faecesbook just as the captive AOL users did many years before, captive portals of shit are just that.

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Re: Sick of this charade

"I gave up my facebook years ago and it was the best thing then as it is now to be without the crap that it was and is."

I did the same - but I have since created a new account, thinking I might make a point of just using it to post links about security breaches, privacy issues, that kind of thing, in the hope that my friends and family might read them and actually learn something.

However, I haven't actually bothered to (re-)add all my previous friends, and actually can't be arsed to log in and do so. Because the chances of my hope becoming a reality are slim to none.

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Terminator

Re: Sick of this charade

Indeed, but maybe this new AI thing would be better then all of those "friends" who turn out to be morons when it comes the re-posting shit on Facebook?

My new friend ->

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Re: Sick of this charade

Facebooks role is to collect all the shite of the internet together in one handy place for thinking people to avoid. I too have no account, and no matter how hard I try can't come up with anything I'm missing. There does seem to be a big attraction to many people though, just as The Sun is the UK's best selling newspaper. Just sayin' ...

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Re: Sick of this charade

"maybe this new AI thing would be better then all of those "friends" who turn out to be morons when it comes the re-posting shit on Facebook?"

Well if they contract out writing the AI to Microsoft, it will always say what its friends want to hear.

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Wait

Doesn't Facebook own Oculus Rift? So he's giving out a competitors product? That's not good business sense. But I suppose a Rift and a PC powerful enough to support it is too expensive to just be giving away.

Facebook AI? They already determine what you see on Facebook with their timeline filtering, soon morons will get ALL their information from Facebook (actually, sadly, I think many already do). US News sources are terrible enough, now imagine letting Facebook filter that crap first. "Please, Facebook CNN AI Bot, read me the news of the day."

No thanks Facebook. No thanks.

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Re: Wait

Gear VR isn't a rival, it's an Oculus (i.e. FB) and Samsung partnership.

Their buzz phrase is 'Gear VR Powered by Oculus'.

It's basically the budget cousin to Rift.

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Anonymous Coward

Memory Server Error

I could have sworn Facebook claimed it was not about commercialism when it was new. Maybe I'm remembering it all wrong.

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Re: Memory Server Error

You may be thinking of Ello.

C.

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How about nope.

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Anonymous Coward

Back to the BBS days?

Is that where we're going?

Sure HTML5, JavaScript and video makes for a richer experience than VT220/ANSI escape sequences and animations rendered out of the IBM PC Extended ASCII character set, I though the Internet was meant to supersede all that?

Great scott! We're going back to the future!!

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Credit where it is due....

I have to applaud the fact that Facebook are making so many of these initiatives and software systems open source. Although I fear I might need psychiatric treatment, it actually felt good having something positive to say about Facebook.

Of course it is now up to developers put this open source kit to *good* use......

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Re: Credit where it is due....

I have another positive thing about FB. As opposed to recent MS products Facebook does not actively try to install onto your system and thus easy to ignore. Thanks Zuck, for now. I bet that Nadella will correct this and is probably planning unremovable FB "live" tile in the "Start Menu" of the "Sucky Edition" of Windows 10 later on this year.

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Re: Credit where it is due....

> Facebook does not actively try to install onto your system.

Of course not: it's preinstalled on your new smartphone when you buy it - the only thing you can /actively/ do with regards to installation is UN-install it.

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Re: Credit where it is due....

That's IF you can uninstall it. Many times it's a System app and can't be removed without rooting and voiding the warranty. Plus remember Android and its apps are increasingly root-aware.

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Re: Credit where it is due....

Actually, it's pretty insistent on nagging you to install Messenger. The mobile client no longer allows you to read/respond to messages, but insists on you installing Messenger. Messenger has very deep spying potential given all the permissions it wants.

The upside is, people who message me on Facebook will only get reply if/when I'm at my desktop.

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Re: Credit where it is due....

Facebook does not actively try to install onto your system and thus easy to ignore.

And the tracking it does via all those Facebook Like buttons, login buttons, comment fields, etc, etc that litter the web?

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Re: And the tracking it does

'Facebook Disconnect'

Install it now.

Along with 'Disconnect', 'Google Disconnect', 'Twitter Disconnect' and 'Remove Google Tracking For Copy'.

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Anonymous Coward

Sexism does not "Bring people together"

If Zuckerberg really wants to "bring people together", I suggest he stops funding disgusting sexist organisations like code.org that actively work to stop young boys taking up computer science.

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Walls, not bridges

Hey Zuck, old chap,

There are simple means of foiling your dastardly plans. Firewalls, DNS walls, stonewalls, and my favourite, the peat wall.

When the main work of my life is complete, there'll be a wall (well, perhaps a bog) of peat between me and you. And I'll be on the whisky side, thank you very much.

Until then, the three badgers I have trained to flummox the on-line community will be earning their chow.

El Badg #2

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Re: Walls, not bridges

You don't need all that. Just don't do FB. Ever. Even a fictitious name/account. Nada. Nothing. If they don't know you're there, they can't get to you.

OTOH, there's something about the whisky side of the wall that I like.

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Re: Walls, not bridges

I've had a thought about that, though. If you don't present yourself on Facebook, what's to stop someone else from impersonating you in order to smear you?

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Re: Walls, not bridges

Defamation laws. Although getting to the right people in Facebook in order to make your case may be challenging.

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60 Billion ?

"There are now 60 billion messages a day sent via Facebook, Messenger, and WhatsApp"

And of this number, how many have an information content significantly greater than zero ?

Chris Cosgrove

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Nope

Haven't got it.

Never had it.

Never will have it.

Never missed it.

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Anonymous Coward

Hi there :) we've missed all of you defectors at the Farmville commune. Come back to us now all will be forgiven and find out what your friends are saying about you. If you don't have time to play that's ok just unblock your location and we'll send an angry mob of nearby villagers to provide you with encouragement.

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"The second plank of Facebook's strategy to get everyone onto its social network

is the use of artificial intelligence, or rather, throwing AI at people and hoping it impresses them."

Before you know it, half the people on your friendslist won't be real people and none of them will really be friends.

Wait..

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And if users hate auto-play Flash ads --

-- then surely they will love "...AI software systems that can use Messenger to communicate with Facebook customers."

It may be a bit of a challenge for extension devs to come up with proper blockers for AI bots, but I have all confidence that they will rise like trout to the writhing bug. uBlockZuckerBot, perhaps?

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Mushroom

The Only True Point He Made

People are tired of having to install shitty apps from various companies just to interact with them.

So instead he's going to take us back to the days of Telnet. Well, isn't it? Little in the way of graphics, just text going back and forth for whatever site you want to access. I refuse to do it through FB's network, but if these companies want to provide an interaction address for a more generic messaging application to use I may try it.

Can't be worse than the app, the shitty webpage, or the hold messages directing you to the shitty app and webage.

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What's the point of a book full of faces?

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Interesting set of posts - mostly by people who don't use FB at all/regularly who never will - kind of reminds me of my wife's midwife - she'd never had children and was in her 60s but she'd read all about it so knew all about the process and the pain...

I do have a FB acct - but I don't use the app on my phone, nor do the chat system where is can filter my text conversations (but if I was really worried about that I guess I wouldn't use Gmail either...?)

Like lots of people, I use it to keep in contact with a large number of friends and family who are now scattered all over the world - with very few exceptions I'm actually friends with people I have actually met in RL(tm) first. For that, it is vaguely useful. As long as you don't live on it, it's not too bad.

Given FB has bought Oculus I suspect their long term plan is not Social Media and VR (there is already a 'Social VR' app for the Oculus powered Gear VR after all) but Social Media and Augmented Reality.

The Sci-Fi writer side of me plots a path into the future where we're all wearing transparent screen AR glasses - news, satnav directions, the price of the thing we're looking at in the window of the shop (if there are any physical shops left) and the special offer in the shop three doors away for the same thing - who paid FB to run an campaign promoting this (or more likely 'online at the FB Store') etc are all overlaid on the real world by an FB powered engine.

This engine will be managing and studying us all (even if you're not on FB, you will still be interacting with people who are) - not only where we are and what we're doing - but what we're looking at, how long we linger, how we feel when we're looking at things (you don't just 'like' things on FB any more - you have the option to 'love', 'haha', 'wow', 'sad' and 'angry' at things too - so it's already started - but of course all those of you who don't/won't use FB might not necessarily know this...) - all of this will be crunched into useful data that will either be used by FB directly to sell us stuff or the collated data will be sold (by FB) to others...

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Interesting set of posts

> mostly by people who don't use FB at all/regularly who never will

That's a big assumption you're making there.

I have no choice but to use it because one of my roles requires me promote myself and others. As a result I have a lot of people on my friendslist whom I've never met and, likely, never will. Some of them, however, are people I've met IRL and will meet again. Some of them are even real friends.

I don't use it personally any more though - no personal account activity only page/group administration and updates. And if it weren't for those I'd delete my account altogether: real friends can get in touch with me in other ways, as can compatriots/colleagues, clients and fans. Fans as a subgroup are made aware of my activities in other ways as well and, if it weren't for the tautological insistence by everyone that "But you've 'got' to be on FB to be successful," it would be completely unneccessary.

So, no, not everyone decrying Failbook has no experience of it - we do; we jsut don't want it /any more/.

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Happy

Oh, really?

"...he hoped telcos will take this tech and pass on the cost savings to subscribers."

I'll have whatever it is he's drinking.

Good grief, talk about being divorced from reality.

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Re: Oh, really?

"Pass along cost savings."

Har har har. I'll take the unicorn with that as well, please.

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Anonymous Coward

Facebook is a tool...

Yes, also run by a tool!

Like any tool, you need to have a reason to "own it" and a reason to use it. I do a lot of photography in my spare time and FB has been a superb way for me to meet other photographers, both online and then in the flesh. I've got to talk with some of the biggest names in UK landscape photography, got invited to be part of some business ventures to sell images and even sold my own images to people I've met on FB.

That's where my interaction with FB stops. I don't do anything but discuss photography with fellow photographers. I reject all friend requests unless the person has a profile that proves they're interested in photography, anything else and I'm not interested as they'll quickly get bored of me and I don't need their non-photography crap clogging up my time. I have about 100 trusted "acquaintances" and that's it.

FB can be useful, just use it sparingly if you have a need else stay away!

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AOL called

They want their glory days back.

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