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The Home Secretary will formally introduce the Investigatory Powers Bill to Parliament on Tuesday, it is rumoured, inviting criticism that the Snoopers' Charter is being rushed through while MPs are distracted by the UK's looming EU membership referendum. The final draft of Theresa May's new Snoopers' Charter is ready to be …

Let your MPs know your objection to this. Now.

You don't even need to know who they are, just your own postcode by using the following site to contact them:

http://www.writetothem.com

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Oh no I don't....

Unfortunately that won't work for me since after entering my postcode:

"Dominic Raab MP has told us not to deliver any messages from the constituents of Esher and Walton. Instead you can try looking them up on the Parliament website. There you will get a phone number, a postal address, and for some MPs a website or way to contact them by email."

Great.... and not for the first time with Mr. Raab

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http://www.writetothem.com

Done, for all the good it'll do.

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Re: Oh no I don't....

"Dominic Raab MP "

"Minister for Human Rights"

My irony meter just went right off the scale...

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Done ages ago, not that he even bothered to reply to my points, just a generic 'i've received lots of letters about this and I still won't change my mind" letter

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Re: Oh no I don't....

In that case Mr. Raab needs to be voted out at the next election.

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Re: Oh no I don't....

In that case Mr. Raab needs to be voted out at the next election.

In Surrey ... Home to nine constituencies which returned nine Tories.

Ah Sh!t - can someone buy me a new Irony Meter - the springs just broken in my old one.

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Re: Oh no I don't.... @Steve K

http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/commons/dominic-raab/4007

It gives a link to his personal site too.

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Re: Oh no I don't....

In that case Mr. Raab needs to be voted out at the next election.

Could be tricky. 28,616 majority, the sixth highest in Parliament.

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In Surrey ... Home to nine constituencies which returned nine Tories.

Find an independent who's otherwise a tory to run against him?

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Could be tricky. 28,616 majority, the sixth highest in Parliament.

IOW.

"I don't fu**ing care what you think. I don't have to."

Of course the former Speaker of the House (Labour. Glasgow Huge majority) thought the same onhis comments about the MP's expenses scandal.

The SNP MP who got his seat has a very large majority as well.

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Re: Find an independent who's otherwise a tory to run against him?

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

I may be considered Too Radical and those skeletons in my closet......

I Must be a Perfect Political Candidate then....!

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Excuse me?

Firstly, I pay taxes in this country. If the different committees, which are funded by the taxpayer, put out devastating reports (and they did!), I demand that they be taken into account. The govt cannot simply ignore them!

Secondly, if the Tories really try to rush this through parliament, it shows their attitude to any kind of oversight (which is the very purpose of reviews/committees). Crucially the lack of oversight is one of the main sore subjects of the bill. This isn't going to end well.

If there wasn't so much at stake, I'd secretly hope that the Tories get a massive slap in the face from (hopefully sensible) MPs as they vote against and reject the bill in parliament. However, I'm afraid that the Tories might play the system successfully. That's frigging scary. Democracy as we know it (or what's left of it) ceases to exist.

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Re: Excuse me?

Don't forget the tories aren't the only ones involved here: the lib dems connived with them to vote against an earlier sunset clause in DRIPA and labour are well known for their inquisitive nature (think IMP,"mastering the internet" or ID cards).

For that matter labour aren't exactly innocent either when it comes to rushing through legislation. Remember the Digital Economy Act?

That's not to say that this isn't a big problem, but the tories are only part of it considering that they would have problems getting this through on their own.

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Don't forget the tories aren't the only ones involved here

No they are not, I completely agree. However, they wrote the bill and are in charge right now.

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Re: Excuse me?

Democracy passes into despotism. - Plato

Happening right before our eyes.

I followed the Psychoactive substances bill, expert advice again completely ignored.

Our freedoms our being rapidly diminished and most are unaware, without getting too David Ickian, although I do believe this is what we are seeing!

Posted AC for obvious reasons!

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Don't forget the tories aren't the only ones involved here

I suspect this one is pretty much unrelated to any political party - it's the unelected civil service, especially the Home Office, that has been pushing for ID cards and universal surveillance for decades.

You see the same pattern with every Home Secretary, whatever party they belong to. Start off reasonable (or as reasonable as a Laura Norder loving politician can be) but a year or two later they turn into Judge Dredd, after a constant feeding process - "look at these crime statistics, Home Secretary", "look at these terrorism statistics, Home Secretary", "look at how many plots MI5/6 have thwarted, Home Secretary", "you wouldn't want an atrocity to happen on your watch, Home Secretary". Basically, it's Stockholm Syndrome.

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"it's the unelected civil service, especially the Home Office, that has been pushing for ID cards and universal surveillance for decades."

Oh, get stuffed, man!

They - and IPB - are Political-With-A-Capital-Pee through and through.

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they wrote the bill

You really believe that? Seriously? Theresa May can't even answer basic questions on this bill, is forced to come back at a later date with written answers - presumably composed by a civil servant somewhere - and you still think that the Tories are the ones pushing for this?

It's civil servants that are in control. Look at Charles Farr: previously head of the Office of Security and Counter Terrorism at the Home Office during the last Labour government and now chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee during the present Tory government, and also happens to be a big supporter of not just the IP bill but also IMP, Mastering the Internet, CCDP and everything else that came before.

Of course it's interesting to note that when public rows occur over whistleblowing it's not him that pays the price...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27750921

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They - and IPB - are Political-With-A-Capital-Pee through and through.

So all the precursors to the IPB, including IMP and Mastering the Internet - both of which happened on Labours watch - are just figments of our imagination? That the spying revealed by Snowden also started on Labour's watch is also not true? (Prism in particular started back in 2007, and GCHQ reportedly in 2008)

By 2010, two years after the project was first trialled, it was able to boast it had the "biggest internet access" of any member of the Five Eyes electronic eavesdropping alliance, comprising the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa

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Re: Excuse me?

"You see the same pattern with every Home Secretary, whatever party they belong to. Start off reasonable (or as reasonable as a Laura Norder loving politician can be) but a year or two later they turn into Judge Dredd, after a constant feeding process - "look at these crime statistics, Home Secretary", "look at these terrorism statistics, Home Secretary", "look at how many plots MI5/6 have thwarted, Home Secretary", "you wouldn't want an atrocity to happen on your watch, Home Secretary". Basically, it's Stockholm Syndrome. the Farr Effect."

There, FTFY.

Icon relevant, because I know they're watching.

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Re: Excuse me?

"So all the precursors to the IPB, including IMP and Mastering the Internet - both of which happened on Labours watch - are just figments of our imagination? That the spying revealed by Snowden also started on Labour's watch is also not true? "

at the risk of numerous politically motivated downvotes, I'd just like to add that at least one person of my acquaintance refuses to acknowledge these things happened under Labour, or that Labour's regulatory environment was in place during "the Lehman's era", as that wasn't Labour. That was "Blairite New Labour". It seems he thinks they're different political parties, so maybe some writers on here have that same view?

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@Kane

"Icon relevant, because I know they're watching."

“Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.”

― Joseph Heller, Catch-22*

*Must admit I wasn't aware that it was Catch 22 - a truly cracking read!

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Re: Excuse me? @Arthur the cat

Don't forget their preferred response when any decision looks like it will be going against them: "that's a very courageous decision Home Secretary"

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Re: Excuse me?

"I suspect this one is pretty much unrelated to any political party - it's the unelected civil service, especially the Home Office, that has been pushing for ID cards and universal surveillance for decades."

You are correct.

And remember this has b**ger all to do with "security"

It's about collecting all possible information all the time forever. It's about "Give me 6 lines from an honest man, and I'll find something to hang him," as another unelected bureaucrat put it.

Why? Because to the mind of a data fetishist more data is always better and all data is best of all.

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So no change

Employ experts, experts report, they don't say what you want, ignore said experts and do what you were going to do anyway. Same old (s)tory.

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"Employ experts, experts report, they don't say what you want, ignore said experts and do what you were going to do anyway. Same old (s)tory."

It worked well for TEPCO.

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Re: So no change

Employ experts, experts report, they don't say what you want, ignore said experts and do what you were going to do anyway. Same old (s)tory.

Only the lucky ones get ignored. The unlucky ones get sacked. That's probably why most of the criticism has come from outside of the Government.

http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pages/maddox-prize-2013.html

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Re: So no change

Well yes, that seems to be how we do things here now.

If they can find some experts to support their view ( even a few ) they shout it from the rooftops, and denigrate the rest. if not they just denigrate and ignore them all.

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Re: So no change

Employ experts, experts report, they don't say what you want, ignore said experts and do what you were going to do anyway. Same old (s)tory.

Only the lucky ones get ignored. The unlucky ones get sacked. That's probably why most of the criticism has come from outside of the Government.

The really unlucky ones end up, apparently, taking an overdose and cutting their wrists.......

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Media really operating on 1 cylinder

No mention of this on any of the major news sites, seems the bury it 'neath the EU debate ploy is working.

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seems the bury it 'neath the EU debate ploy is working.

Only working on the hard of thinking.

Purely on Snoopers Charter, I won't ever vote for the Tories again (I'm making the probably correct assumption that they won't ever come to their senses).

Interestingly Corbyn's doing the same with Labour supporters and Trident, so if between them, the senior braying idiots of Westminster can piss off enough of their core supporters, then the 2020 general election could be a real laugh. The only thing we need to work against is the simpletons in the population who might delude themselves that voting for the least worst alternative is an acceptable response.

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Snoopers charter isn't a Tory policy.

It's a Home Office policy.

Most of the content of this Bill has been put forward in every recent Parliament with only minor changes - Labour, ConDem Coalition and Conservative.

One wonders why that particular set of civil servants are so keen on these mass surveillance powers.

What is it that they have to hide?

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I hate being right at times

http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2016/02/11/joint_committee_investigatory_powers_bill_shoot_the_messenger/#c_2776777

Write to your MP, that's all you can do, but as the Conservatives have a majority & I guarantee they'll use the whip, we can expect this ill thought out crap on the statute books by Wednesday

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corruptissima re publica plurimae leges

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - when the republic is at its most corrupt the laws are most numerous -- said by Tacitus

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Re: corruptissima re publica plurimae leges

Inter arma enim silent leges

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Re: corruptissima re publica plurimae leges

"That government is best which governs least."

-Thomas Jefferson (attributed)

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Re: corruptissima re publica plurimae leges

Governments which govern least, are captured by corporate interests.

Power vacuums can't exist for long. It's about time silly 'muricans learn that.

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I've just written to my local MP

I'll be very curious as he's an IT professional if he would vote for it!

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Re: he's an IT professional if he would vote for it!

Voting for it will turn him into an IT professional!! That's some fancy legislation.

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Also just fired both barrells at my MP.

Took the oppotunity to raise a number of other issues including why he feels the need to reply to an email on a expensive stationary.

I expect to hear his full unconditional support for this draconian bill with a few days.

Mr. Dowd - you don't represent your constituents in the slightest and a growing number of us are fed up of it!

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"Took the oppotunity to raise a number of other issues"

That's a mistake. It gives him the opportunity to ignore your main point and reply to the most trivial or the one where he can give the most anodyne reply.

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why he feels the need to reply to an email on a expensive stationary.

To be fair all MPs seem to do this, at least the handful I've dealt with. Perhaps it's standard practice for them (whether it should change is a different matter though).

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@Vimes

Vimes,

When I asked my MP about something a while ago, the initial clarification was done by email, the formal response by 2nd class post.

Cheers,

Jay

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When I asked my MP about something a while ago, the initial clarification was done by email, the formal response by 2nd class post.

The last time I asked my MP about something, my question was completely ignored until I'd sent two follow-up emails (about a montjh apart).

I then got a response - on very expensive paper - providing a vague non-answer to an entirely different question.

I've got a different MP now - who reckons I'd get a different response?

Vic.

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Who knows: you might finally get an answer to the first question...

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@Vimes

To be fair all MPs seem to do this, at least the handful I've dealt with. Perhaps it's standard practice for them (whether it should change is a different matter though).

Do they all use the same PR agency for responding? Sounds like it.

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When you're paid (note, not earning) £70,000 a year, cutting waste is something only the peasants have to worry about.

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Ask

Well at least they ask all those who will be affected by this, so all UK citizens, first. Oh...

Anyone who thinks democracy in this country isn't broken, then ask them when the referendum for this change in legislation is taking place.

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Not Bad News for everyone

ROLL UP ROLL UP Get yer new IPhones 'ere ; Guarenteed uncrackable and proof from snooping Agencies, as advertised by the FBI.

Oops I forgot; in this country failure to hand over your password is a crime.

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