back to article Don't you see these simple facts? Destroy Facebook and restore human Liberty

What could be more warmly received on this brisk winter's day than a delicious, heartfelt bellow of rage from a Commentard who could bear it no more. We haven't had one in a few years, but Sir, you are our Flame of the Week... and nobody claims their five pounds. Nobody wins any pounds. In fact, nobody wins. This is …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What he said

    1. Marketing Hack Silver badge
    2. AndyS

      What a fantastic rant it was too. The real tragedy is he only had one vote, and it was a downvote. Oh well, I've given him an upvote.

    3. MyffyW Silver badge

      Some one needs a hug

      ...or a shag.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Some one needs a hug

        Had to leave the girlfriend. She spent too much time on Facebook.

  2. Chika
    Trollface

    Facebook?

    While I agree that Facebook is an outlet for the increasingly self-obsessed public that we now live in, it is nothing compared with Tumblr...

    I await your bellows!!!

    1. phuzz Silver badge

      Re: Facebook?

      People have always been self-obsessed, go look at some cave art and what do you see? Stick figures of people.

      It might be a bit more visible now, but it's not a new thing.

  3. chivo243 Silver badge

    Rant?

    You call that a rant? Don't get me started... one of my luddite friends finally drank the purple Kill-Aide, that is the last fucking straw. My wife has to be pried from FB almost daily. If that stupid prick Zuck was here I'd punch him in the back of the head, then in the front. Now for the rant....

    1. Stoneshop Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Re: Rant?

      I'd punch him in the back of the head, then in the front.

      I'd punch him in the back of the head, from the front.

      1. chivo243 Silver badge
        Coffee/keyboard

        Re: Rant?

        Thanks for fixing that one for me... Keyboard Please! It's not coffee either ;-}

  4. BasicChimpTheory

    No disrespect to OP but you really think it has been nearly three years since an article author has received a spirited and valid dressing down?

    Not even close to that long for Orlowski alone...

  5. Arctic fox
    Thumb Up

    Way to go Andrew!

    I think that you can guess what my attitude is to this example of antisocial media when I describe it as "FarceBooK". It reminds of nothing more than the circular letters that we used to get from a certain type of middle class acquaintance in the seventies and eighties, "Jeremy has done extremely well in his O-Levels and Samantha is becoming very horsey...." Excuse me while I puke.

    1. 's water music Silver badge

      Re: Way to go Andrew!

      FarceBooK

      I'm no great FB fan, but I see what you did there

      sigh

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Way to go Andrew!

      No, I'll only accept faecesBook. It's the new Micro$hit. Ahh that brings back memories.

  6. Zog_but_not_the_first Silver badge
    Mushroom

    To the barricades, to the barricades.

    Er, anyone care to share a cab?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Pint

      Re: To the barricades, to the barricades.

      after this pub closes

      my round

  7. IsJustabloke Silver badge

    can I just say that....

    I didn't go to "grade" school and I didn't read "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    Soz.

    1. Ken 16 Silver badge
      Holmes

      life, liberty, health, and indolency of body; and the possession of outward things

      as I recall

    2. Arthur the cat Silver badge

      Re: can I just say that....

      Ditto. Amazing how many USians confuse the USA with the entire world. And that "all men are created equal" was a complete joke in a country that used slaves for much of its industrial capacity.

      1. Geoffrey W Silver badge

        Re: can I just say that....

        RE: ""all men are created equal" was a complete joke in a country that used slaves"

        Not to mention the near destruction of the indigenous people who were there long before they were.

      2. Turtle

        Re: can I just say that....

        "Amazing how many USians confuse the USA with the entire world."

        Only you can do that?

        "And that 'all men are created equal' was extremely contentious political issue in a country that used slaves for much of its cotton (and other plantation-grown production), which was so important in the world economy that England was very, very close to giving diplomatic recognition to the Confederacy."

        Incidentally, perhaps you can explain why England never outlawed slavery in the colonies when they had the authority to do so. Or, in consideration of your "holier than thou" attitude, why it took until 1807 for England to outlaw the slave trade.

        Or maybe you could just kinda actually learn something about the history of slavery, instead of simply looking at it from your narrow, ahistorical, bourgeois-moralist point of view.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_%28literary_and_historical_analysis%29

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: can I just say that....

          I think you missed the point train today, And that 'all men are created equal' is a joke and nobody said the British empire didn't use slaves we just don't bullshit our people as much as America does.

          Anyone can grow up to be president, that one still makes me piss my sides though not as much as Land of the Free, What's that shit yo all be smokin over there?

          Also if you want to be all pedantic, judging by how many black people earn shit wages, hold no positions of authority (don't even go there with puppet leader Obama) do menial work or get shot by white police I would determine slavery is still alive (This also applies to your illegal slave labour from the south).

          I don't have a problem with America or Americans but I do with blatant hypocrisy and bullshit.

          1. Updraft102 Silver badge

            Re: can I just say that....

            No one can force anyone to stop taking actions that defeat themselves. The urban black culture is incredibly self-destructive. Black kids who want to get educated are beaten down and accused of trying to be white. Those that speak proper English get the same treatment. Then they vote for leaders who base their entire electoral strategy on being the savior of the downtrodden masses. Well, when you do that, you need a large and permanent group of downtrodden masses, so there is never any real effort made to help put an end to the cycle of poverty and ignorance. The people most negatively afflicted by bad schools keep voting for the very political systems that prevent them from improving.

            More whites are killed by police, as a percentage of police contacts, than blacks. They don't get the media attention because they don't support the media's agenda, but it's a fact.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: can I just say that....

              More whites are killed by police, as a percentage of police contacts, than blacks. They don't get the media attention because they don't support the media's agenda, but it's a fact.

              I would hope so with the population being mostly white (2010).

              White 196,817,552

              Black or African American 37,685,848

              Then per million shot by the police,

              0.29 White

              0.43 Black

              0.26 Native American

              So based on the above what actually is the media's agenda?

              I also disagree with the urban black culture defeating itself I just think the opportunities given to white people just aren't given to black people. Think of it as coming from slavery to present day, those prejudices will still exist for at least another generation. My kids step-father is a racist and I set them straight at every opportunity.

              I just see numbers as they are and ignore the media and their interpretations thereof. To be fair I just try to ignore the media or view it through shit tinted spectacles.

      3. Updraft102 Silver badge

        Re: can I just say that....

        It actually was not a complete joke, and slaves were used in agrarian capacity, not industrial.

        The founders recognized the evils of slavery, including those who owned slaves by means of inheritance and were prohibited by law from freeing them.

        In order to win independence, the founders were going to need the help of the South. Slavery was going on without any problem in the colonies, and as far as anyone knew, if they remained as colonies slavery would go on forever. Thus, they tolerated slavery and made no mention of any inclination toward prohibiting it, even though they universally wished it banned.

        If you consider the writings and correspondence of the founders of the US, it is clear that they considered slavery to be an institution that was an abomination and that would eventually be eliminated in the country they were creating. They were, of course, correct, both in that and their view that the issue had to be handled very cautiously, as that very issue tore the country in half the better part of a century after its founding.

        America was born with the slavery problem. The British colonists, while still subjects of the Crown, were the ones who started and popularized that particular institution in the New World.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Devil

          Re: can I just say that....

          British colonista = proto Americans, no?

      4. chivo243 Silver badge
        Devil

        Re: can I just say that....

        We won't examine where the Merkins came from originally, that would sour your argument. I believe most of the wankers that started the US came from Europe and England? Be careful pointing that finger, there are three pointing back at you...

      5. Anonymous Coward
        Devil

        Re: can I just say that....

        still does if you include the prison manufacturing setup

  8. Androgynous Cupboard Silver badge

    That's it?!?!?

    It has punctuation and capital letters, not too many and not too few. No swearing. No questioning of the authors parentage, species, sexual orientation or inadequacies , or of the their mothers.

    Frankly that's a miserable effort. 1/10 and only because "sick" is repeated five times.

    1. Kurt Meyer

      Re: That's it?!?!?

      @ Androgynous Cupboard - You are spot on. Compared to past FOTWs that I have read and enjoyed, this one is weak sauce.

      It is, however, suitable for the "New and Improved!" El Reg. Which, compared to what it used to be, is also weak sauce.

  9. James Hughes 1

    Wow, lots of hate...

    You could, you know, just ignore FB if it's not your cup of tea, and leave those people who are quite happy using it to, you know, use it.

    Really amazes me the amount of hate it gets (but not as much hate as the Cambridge Cycling, see here...http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-station-bike-park-plan-triggers-Twitter/story-28692620-detail/story.html#comments)

    1. John 104

      Re: Wow, lots of hate...

      You certainly can ignore FB. However, it doesn't matter. Your info is still getting mined and put on someones DB. Whether you like it or not. Have a friend who uses FB? Done. FB now has your contact info and is selling it.

    2. Mage Silver badge

      Re: just ignore FB if it's not your cup of tea

      Impossible, because the human race is on average gullible. Loads of people in the family, friends, workmates etc using it.

      Companies or media outlets you want to use are promoting it or using it.

      Ignoring it is about as viable as using translation, video sharing, maps and search with Google. Is babelfish still running? Dailymotion instead of Youtube, Apple or MS instead of Google maps/Streetview/Earth, Er ... Bing/Yahboo instead of Google?

      It's only slightly easier to ignore Twitter.

      Idiots keep joining Linkedin and giving them all their email adresses. There ought to be a law against that and Whatsapp's slurping of addresses.

      1. James Hughes 1

        Re: just ignore FB if it's not your cup of tea

        Q. Why are people using Facebook gullible? They get a service, which they use and are happy using.

        Q. Since FB has been harvesting my 'details', why have I never seen the effect of that harvesting?

        1. Oengus Silver badge
          Devil

          Re: just ignore FB if it's not your cup of tea

          If you haven't seen the effect of facebook, its subtle influence has worked on you. The harvesting of your details allows facebook to "hide" their impact.

          You no longer notice the advertising has shifted, the "paid" content is more directed, your thinking is more attuned to the "masses".

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: its subtle influence

            And remember the research where FB caused depression in users just to later claim that cheery posts on your FB wall will make you happier (and teeth whiter)

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: just ignore FB if it's not your cup of tea

        I find it no problem to ignore Facebook or Twitter, and no none of my immeadiate friends or relatives use FB or twatter

        1. SImon Hobson Silver badge

          Re: just ignore FB if it's not your cup of tea

          > I find it no problem to ignore Facebook or Twitter, and no none of my immeadiate friends or relatives use FB or twatter

          And do you completely avoid all sites that include FarceBork's tracking code ? Do you even know which sites use FarceBork's tracking code ?

          No ? Then FarceBork do have a profile on you.

          It's "interesting" (more like, scary) to read some of the background documents in the Max Schrems case. The level of detail in a profile they hold on a non-user is disturbing.

  10. Paul F
    Paris Hilton

    Bottoms up

    Well that's sorted then. I miss the FOTW, and wonder at its absence. Could it be that we have a better class of commentard these days, or is the staff too pissed to be bothered? Either way, I've wanted to rant at the distinguished Mr. O myself once or twice, but then I was too pissed to be bothered.

    Another pint!

    1. Vic

      Re: Bottoms up

      I've wanted to rant at the distinguished Mr. O myself once or twice, but then I was too pissed to be bothered.

      I've wanted to rant at him a few times - then remembered that all his articles have moderation turned on for the comments...

      Vic.

  11. Bota

    Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

    Zuck: Just ask

    Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

    [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

    Zuck: People just submitted it.

    Zuck: I don't know why.

    Zuck: They "trust me"

    Zuck: Dumb fucks

    How Zuck considers his users privacy (see: sheep)

  12. John 104

    "You have one identity." Zuckerberg's identiy-destroying silo, the biggest plague that has threatened to engulf mankind in a long time.

    While not a physical plague, it certainly is a mental one.

    <rant>

    And I, too, would punch zuk in the face if I had the opportunity. FB is a steaming pile of crap (and not just the joke of an interface). If it isn't people using it as a life comparison tool to bring themselves down, then its an oversharing, who gives a fuck about your vasectomy operation, or your kitten's cute face, waste of humanities time. To be fair, it isn't just FB. It's all social medial. It is a societal killer. Less and less face to face interaction and more and more avoidance of real people.

    </rant>

    1. Steve K Silver badge
      Coat

      "It's all social medial"

      Therefore including El Reg comments....

      ..and John 104 disappeared in a puff of logic (apologies to Douglas Adams...!)

      Steve

    2. PJF
      Devil

      "You have one identity."

      " It's all social medial. It is a societal killer. Less and less face to face interaction and more and more avoidance of real people."

      I'm anti-social to begin with (I see dumb people everywhere). So, if I use some sort of S.M., (not S&M...) they may be 2 outcomes..

      A) I'll become more "sociable" and interact more with strangers

      or

      B) I'll become a pathological killer in/of society

      I think "B" may be more my route...

  13. The Dude
    Big Brother

    A steaming pile of poo.

    ...but some people like that sort of thing.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Devil

      Re: A steaming pile of poo.

      yes they do do

      see Sweet Dreams are made of this (marilyn Manson version)

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The worst bit about this rant ..

    .. is that it isn't (a rant, do keep up).

    Apart from being disappointingly tame (for a rant, not for an uncensored text), its main problem is that its author is absolutely spot on because this Facebook effort was pretty much the same in nature as Microsoft's 20th century charity before Melinda put a stop to it: utterly self serving and a one way trap for the fools that went for it.

    Giving gazillions of innocent Indian people access to Facebook pretending it is the Internet is about as bright an idea as educating kids about the world by feeding them crack. If FB was offering connectivity without strings, fine, but that was explicitly not the plan, and no amount of American bullshit (sorry, it's called Marketing) could cover that up.

    So my upvote goes to the ranter insofar that he is right about FB's efforts and thus, in a way, also about the general tone of the article - this time, I disagree with Andrew Orlowski (and no, I'm not in any "I hate author x" club like some commentards seem to need, but I reserve the right to make up my own mind).

    In conclusion: (1) not a rant, (2) the commenter was right. So there.

    PS: if you want proper rants, publish guidelines that allow good ones to survive the moderation process. One of the best ones ever (having the most impressive upvote count in El Reg's history) almost didn't make it because it wasn't infested with enough asterisks to satisfy the Politically Correct mob.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: The worst bit about this rant ..

      And if poor brown people are to use a social network banned by the elites after lobbing by rich white people (sorry, I wonder what came over me so that I would write that kind of nonsense), Twitter would be better for simplicity, notifications, and low bandwidth. Imagine posting market prices in Facebook.

      A bespoke app would be even better, and open Internet access allows that. An on-ramp onto Facebook is not what the world's poor really need.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    plus ca change

    500,000 BC - Ughhh Ughhh Ugghhh (translates as - the kids are using this new fangled talking thing, I don't understand it but it must be bad).

    100,000 BC - This painting on cave walls has got to stop, it's just a way for shamans to steal our mammoths

    14,000 BC - The kids are writing stuff down with this alphabet thing on stone slabs. No good will come of it, if your name is written down it will cost you your soul, and the king will probably just use the scratches to put up taxes.

    2500 BC - can't someone stop these scribes and their 'Abraham begat Issac' - who wants to know every blooming detail of Joseph's lineage?

    1550 AD - What's with this obsession with printing everything - if I wanted to read books I would hire a scribe?

    1883 AD - Put everyones' phone number in the yellow pages ?- not my number, why would I want anyone to know that? They'll just use it to junk sell top hats.

    2003 - Facespace/Mybook - I'll never use that , it's just going to lead to badness, or madness

    2023 - Brain link implants, you won't get me using one of those.....

    Repeat ad nauseum, muttering 'kid's today' or 'when I was young' as appropriate.

    1. matchbx
      Thumb Up

      Re: plus ca change

      Reads like an XKCD cartoon... have an upvote...

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