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  1. LucreLout Silver badge

    Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

    How can such a list not feature Linux on the desktop (tm), which has been "coming next year" for decades?

    1. Mage Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

      Because Windows is getting so bad, and Mac so expensive and Minimalist on ports etc we can't be sure that Linux won't be the last Desktop?

      Excellent Dabsy.

      1. LucreLout Silver badge

        Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

        we can't be sure that Linux won't be the last Desktop?

        Sure we can. It won't even be the next desktop, never mind the last.

        Linux is incredible given how it came to be, and represents a genuine triumph. It is not, however, any kind of replacement for Windows for unskilled home users or for corporate environments. Users left to secure Linux and keep it up to date on their own would make an even worse job than they did with Windows; Win 10 is at least nearly secure out of the box and it patches itself.

        As technologists we can, and in some cases do, use Linux on a desktop properly and without significant problems. That doesn't apply to wider society and it simply never will.

        The home PC is fading, being replaced with one tablet or another, that either updates itself or simply never gets patched. The short shelf life of these devices will enact the larger portion of OS upgrades than will actively updating it. A shrinking market isn't about to convert over to a different OS to save a hundred bucks when the one they have patches itself.

        Linux on the desktop is already dead; it just doesn't know it yet. That should not be confused for meaning "Linux is dead" which it self evidently isn't and won't happen any time soon, if ever.

        1. Esme

          Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

          I don't know what you;re smoking, Lucrelout, but my experience says entirely different - getting close to double figures of essentially IT-illiterate folk that I've helped get started with Linux, and thus far the number of support calls I;ve had can be counted on the fingers of one hand with fingers to spare. Most recently a couple in their 60' s who installed Linux Mint without assistance (I couldn't get round to do teh install for them that day - so they decided to give it a go themselves), and like it so much they;re going to install (may already have installed) it on their other two PCs.

          It's Windows gives yer average user grief, not Linux.

          1. Naselus

            Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

            "It's Windows gives yer average user grief, not Linux."

            Most of the users I've suggested Linux to have given up before they've managed to pick a distro. It usually goes like this:

            User: I hate windows! It took forever to start up today because it was updating!

            Me: Why not try Linux?

            User: I googled 'download Linux' and all I got was a massive page with lots of paragraphs about 'choosing the right distro'. Why didn't it just download the installer for me?

            Me: Ah. Um, basically, 'Linux' isn't just one thing. You see, without going into the politics of how open source development works, the middle bit of the OS is called the Linux Kernel, but lots of people then build their -

            User: OH GOD NO I HATE THIS STUPID COMPLEX CRAP WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE SPEAK ENGLISH I'M STICKING WITH WINDOWS AT LEAST THAT WORKS.

            Now imagine trying to take them through the idea of how to pick between GNOME vs KDE. This is someone who doesn't think of an OS as a collection of components. They think the GUI is the OS. They are not really interested in what a bootloader is, or whether they ought to be pro- or anti-systemd.

            People complain that Microsoft have too many versions of Windows to pick from and it's too confusing when they release 5 different flavours of Windows 10. They do not want to wade through 50 different linux distros before they even know which one to download. That sucks, but it's the truth and it's a major reason why, no matter how user-friendly Linux becomes, it's never going to come close to matching Windows on the Desktop. The consumer-facing places where Linux does well (routers, mobile phones) are the places it comes pre-installed. The other places it does well are where IT professionals are making the decision.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

              Only a small number of academics and communists EVER needed a desktop PC. The masses needed iphones which previously didn't exist.

              If someone asks for tech support, smash up their computer and dump it out a window. They'll be happier for it.

            2. Rol Silver badge

              Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

              Surely the only reason more feathers have not been flying in the MS world is down to nearly every PC slurped off the shelf has MS pre-installed.

              If Linux was delivered in the exact same way to the consumer then no issues would exists, but ah, MS has no intention of letting the consumer PC market off the leash, as it stipulates in very large letters that PC shifters will be executed for offering anything that isn't MS.

              And just like Esme's experience, the IT woes of my friends ended the very day i threw my hands in the air and installed Linux on their machines. Sometimes a big thanks comes back, but mainly, the phone not ringing off the hook with computer problems is all the thanks I need.

              1. Sil

                Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                Not sure it's true.

                Dell and other manufacturers have/are offering computers with Linux installed and it didn't take the world by storm.

                Big enterprises can give disk images to manufacturers that will happily preinstall them on new desktop/laptop computers too.

                Also I may be wrong, but it seems to me many pros, especially the younger generation, are also happy having a Mac as a unix workstation without needing Linux.

                1. phil 27

                  Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                  Thats mostly because they cost more than ordering it with windows and blatting the hard disk on day 0 of ownership. Or as I do, taking it out and putting it in a storage cupboard so if it has hardware poorly sick issues I can RMA it knowing they can't wriggle out of fixing it.

                  And this fine bit of marketing has enabled people like you to carry on doing microsofts marketing for them.

            3. Graham Dawson

              @naselus Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

              I suggest perhaps trying a different approach. Start by suggesting a distro by name, talk through the high-level advantages. Don't start blasting them with jargon. If they aren't capable of making informed decisions then you have to help them, and that means you have to narrow their choices and present them with options that you think might actually benefit.

              Or you could keep being a stuck-up, pretentious nerd who likes to show off how much they think they know by flinging jargon and superfluous trivia around. They'd react exactly the same way if you started blathering on about the history of the Windows NT kernel, GDI and the necessity of using powershell in certain situations.

              1. Rol Silver badge

                Re: @naselus Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                I find the best way is to give those new to Linux, as close an approximation to what they're used to.

                In practice that invariably means Linux Mint with a Mate interface.

                I then load in all the free software to replace item for item what they used to run and sit and hold their hand for an hour or so, while they get acclimatised.

                Those who have a high degree of proficiency with, let's say, Photoshop, will quickly gain an equal proficiency in GIMP, and those who have nothing but a casual acquaintance with PS will similarly learn how to crop and do those basic exercises in no greater a time.

                Only someone who is heavily invested in MS will refuse to accept the sense that is Linux and bleat constantly that an error ridden, expensive, invasive OS is better than free, solid and dependable.

                1. IsJustabloke Silver badge
                  Facepalm

                  Re: @naselus Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                  "Photoshop, will quickly gain an equal proficiency in GIMP"

                  ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.... breathe... ha ah aha hahhahahhahahahahahha

                  Yeah cos those two products are totally comparable

                  1. Voyna i Mor Silver badge

                    Re: @naselus Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                    "Yeah cos those two products are totally comparable"

                    At the level at which most people use them, GIMP and PS are pretty much equivalent. To do certain things that a lot of people want to do, it's easy to write out a set of instructions for either. The difference is that for the average PS user there is probably a keen amateur photographer wanting to show his expertise to someone else, for GIMP not so much.

                    If you know enough and do enough with PS to be aware of the shortcomings of GIMP, you are part of a small minority.

                  2. Rol Silver badge

                    Re: @naselus Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                    If you could travel back in time to the point you first used Photoshop and then set a stopwatch to record every fumble and lucky strike you made on your way to getting proficient with it, I'd argue that all those hours then put into learning how to use GIMP would have you at least as proficient.

                    It is a different interface, because it has to be, otherwise Adobe's lawyers would be smashing the door down.

                    I suppose the best analogy would be starting to learn a foreign language and then throwing a hissy fit because all the words are different to the ones you are used to and after ten minutes you give up.

                    Totally overlooking the fact it took you decades to reach your current proficiency in your mother tongue.

                    GIMP is no more complicated than Photoshop, and a price comparison rates GIMP as infinitely better than PS.

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              2. GrumpenKraut Silver badge
                Angel

                Re: @naselus Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                > Or you could keep being a stuck-up, pretentious nerd who likes to show off how much they think they know by flinging jargon and superfluous trivia around.

                You say that as if it was a bad thing.

                1. KeithR

                  Re: @naselus Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                  "You say that as if it was a bad thing."

                  Well it's not - if you're the kind of computer user who wants his OS to be a hobby in its own right.

                  Some (many? Most?) of us just want a stable platform that will run the software we rely on...

              3. karlnapf

                Re: @naselus Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                POWERSHELL!? Na, thats devil's crap here in the holy halls of IT,too.

            4. Quortney Fortensplibe
              Trollface

              I Liked Their Earlier Albums, Before They Became Really Commercial

              For all their professed longing for the advent of The Year of Linux on the Desktop, I reckon most penguinistas secretly live in fear of such a thing coming to pass.

              It's a bit like the 'Kewl Kids' at school who will like a band up until the point they become successful, at which point they will decry them as "sell-outs" and drop them like a shot –before going onto the next suitably obscure and therefore street-cred-worthy 'beat combo'.

              You can already see this phenomenon with the folks who, disgusted with Linux's share of the desktop market topping a dizzying 1%, have fled to one of the BSDs, in order to keep their geek credentials untainted by such rampant commercialism.

              1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

                Re: I Liked Their Earlier Albums, Before They Became Really Commercial

                "the folks who, disgusted with Linux's share of the desktop market topping a dizzying 1%, have fled to one of the BSDs"

                No, there's another reason for doing that.

                1. Loud Speaker

                  Re: I Liked Their Earlier Albums, Before They Became Really Commercial

                  OK, so you and me were using BSD before Bill Gates could spell Computer. You have to make allowances for spoiled brats.

              2. Esme
                Happy

                Re: I Liked Their Earlier Albums, Before They Became Really Commercial

                @Quortney Fortensplibe - not me. I for one would like to see a lot more penguin-powered desktops (although I would also like to see a more varied desktop ecosystem - for greater security), but then I am not a maven of any description, except perhaps in the digestive-biscuit-eating stakes.

                Computers are things to get stuff done or entertain me. If they do that, I like them. if they give me lots of grief, I dont; like them. So I use Linux Mint and am a very happy non-expert bunny!

                Seems odd to me that Windowsites feel the need to denigrate those who like Linux or tell the good side of using it. If you like using WIndows, good for you! Happy for you! Doesn;t change that everyone I've introduced to Linux has been happy with it for the same reasons that I am - easier to use and a lot less grief than Windows.

            5. GrumpenKraut Silver badge

              Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

              > User: OH GOD NO I HATE THIS STUPID COMPLEX CRAP...

              This is the kind of people who don't like choice. Tell them to install distro A and desktop B and not to worry their little heads that there might be C, D, or even E.

            6. rh587

              Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

              "Me: Ah. Um, basically, 'Linux' isn't just one thing. You see, without going into the politics of how open source development works, the middle bit of the OS is called the Linux Kernel, but lots of people then build their -"

              Why would you say that?

              Simple response is "Oh, yeah, there are different versions, like there's Windows Home/Premium/Enterprise. Some people even compile their own version for specific jobs. You just need Mint - that's Linux for Windows users".

              Don't give them a choice.

              1. KeithR

                Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                So the Linux zealots on here reckon that the best Linux LotD solution is something that's pretty much as close as they can possibly get to a cosmetic and ease-of-use rip-off of Windows..?

                Oh, the irony.

                Ah well - they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...

                1. Esme

                  Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                  @KeithR - get outta here! (chuckle) Windows has been playing catch-up with Linux in terms of ease of use for years - and this last few years has been going retrograde. When Penguinistas set up a Linux box to be Windows-like, I'd put a fiver on it that it's almost always either so it looks and feels like Windows XP, or, less commonly, Windows 7 - simply for the familiarity, so that the new user doesn;t have to learn too much and can just get on with using their PC.

                  The WinXP GUI was pretty good - that's why so many people are annoyed at MS for having buggered around with the UI so much (and why both KDE and Gnome lost users when they decided to change their paradigms, too). But as has been pointed out elsewhere, the UI is not the OS. Whilst Linux isn't perfect, it's waaay better in everday use than Windows, IMHO - and an increasing number of newcomers to Linux appear to be agreeing a none have wanted to revert.

                  This is getting fun - Windows folk supposedly expert falling like ninepins on the logic stakes to the likes of me (decidedly not an expert), 'cause they're trying to defend the practically indefensible. Next!

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                2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

                  Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                  "So the Linux zealots on here reckon that the best Linux LotD solution is something that's pretty much as close as they can possibly get to a cosmetic and ease-of-use rip-off of Windows..?"

                  Let's look at that one on two levels.

                  Firstly, the actual suggestion was that in order to ease the transition from the familiar to the unfamiliar use a familiar interface. Applying an unfamiliar interface upsets users. Microsoft have discovered that - it would have been better for their users if they'd worked it out from first principles.

                  Secondly, if you go back & look what was about at the time Windows 95 came out you'd realise that it didn't spring ready-made from the forehead of Bill Gates. There were a lot of GUIs about back then. There was a good deal of cross-fertilisation.

                  The main application menu system until ribbons came along was based on CUA (Common User Access), mostly, IIRC, from IBM, a set of design principles intended to make things easier for users by providing consistency between applications.

                  A screen bottom bar with pop-up menus was already in use in interfaces such as CDE.

                  Some of the interface aspects came from HP's New Wave, an overlay on Win 3.

                  Yes, W95 put all these together very well and hit a sweet spot (apart from the error of putting the close button next to the maximise where it was too easy to hit it by mistake) but on the whole it was a synthesis of stuff a lot of other people had developed. So it's not surprising that for the desktop a lot of other designers have followed similar approaches, improving on it here & there with the like of multiple workspaces. But don't think you're looking at slavish imitation of a single original idea because you're not; you're looking at a convergence on what works best.

                  1. Richard Plinston Silver badge

                    Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                    > look what was about at the time Windows 95 came out ... There were a lot of GUIs about back then.

                    There were other GUIs* about when Windows 1 was _announced_, let alone released. In fact it was announced when Bill Gates saw DRI's GEM being demonstrated at COMDEX. Then they started writing it.

                    * Star, PERQ, Lisa, GEM, ...

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            8. John Sanders
              Linux

              Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

              I will explain it in terms even you can understand:

              If you have an old computer use: Linux Mint XFCE edition.

              If you have a computer less than 4 years old use Linux Mint.

              If Linux Mint does not work in your computer or you do not like it, stick to Windows and quit complaining.

              There, simples. See, no distro juggling or desktop choosing, etc.

              One decides to go for distro crap when already has some experience/interest in Linux.

            9. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

              Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

              @ Naselus

              I don't think it's Linux that's the root of your users' problems.

            10. Esme
              Happy

              Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

              @Naselus - And that just demonstrates where you're going wrong. I give people a Linux Format coverdisk with Linux Mint on it. It installs into Mint with a sensible desktop. It just works (TM). The user is happy, I'm happy, all is sweetness and light.

              Sure, I mention to them that there are options available for different desktops, but I don't make them jump through the hoops of choosing between options they don't understand right from the off. If you're going about things the way you describe, then sure, you're increasing the chances of a nagtive reaction - but given that you bods that report this kind of experience are, unlike me, IT professionals, why would you do that?

              I've said it before - much as I respect the experience of my fellow commentards here, some of you just seem to be going about things entirely the wrong way and dooming yourselves and/or others to unecessary problems when it comes to Linux. MS avoids the multiple choices of Windows versions (or did, until recently) by simply forcing the wretched thing to be pre-installed into PCs so we all had to pay the MS tax. Well, had those boxes had Linux installed instead, THAT would have bene the norm. So if you;re not about to point a newbie at umpty versions of Windows, why would you then go and do just that with Linux? illogical!

              I remind my esteemed commentard colleagues to KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid.

              1. KeithR

                Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                "The user is happy, I'm happy, all is sweetness and light."

                RIGHT up to the point when - not knowing ny better - they try to install their first favourite Windows programme: because - after all - "Mint LOOKS like Windows, and you [insert name of Linux zealot] said it was 'just like' Windows..."

                1. Esme

                  Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                  @KeithR - I'll say this simply soi that you can understand it. (a) If I have anything to do with them trying Linux, I explain to them that they run Linux software on a Linux system, and they do so using the software manager - they do NOT try to download stuff from the net. (b) I also tell them BEFORE they go Linux that if there is some piece of Windows software that they absolutely must or want to continue using, to let me know first and I will see if it can be done , then they can make their mind up whether to go Linux or not (c) you;re assuming stupidity on my part - which is stupid of you (d) you;re assuming stupidity on the part of teh people I help get going with Linux - which is arrogant of you.

                  Would YOU just leave people you;d helped to get going with Linux in the lurch? I certainly wouldn't, but if you would, then you're ... - but hopefully you get the picture now. Now quit the trolling, please, you're making yourself look even dafter, and I don't like to see people self-harm

            11. The Dude

              Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

              "They think the GUI is the OS"

              No they don't. They think the web browser is the OS.

            12. Richard Plinston Silver badge

              Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

              > People complain that Microsoft have too many versions of Windows to pick from and it's too confusing when they release 5 different flavours of Windows 10. They do not want to wade through 50 different linux distros before they even know which one to download.

              Exactly. Just like everyone should just buy a silver Ford Mondeo and not bother with wading through car magazines or visiting dealers trying to work out whether they want a people mover or a sports car. That is just too confusing, they don't want to wade through 50 test drives, and then there are all the options and colour choices.

              1. Terry 6 Silver badge

                Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                Exactly that, with car buying. Not many study the form book to choose a car. They have a budget and maybe a size and a few options ( like four doors and satnav) in mind. Then they either buy the make that they expect to buy, or ( from a car dealer) the one that the salesman talks them into getting.

                A bit like going in to PCWorld or John Lewis and buying what ever PC is available for £375. Unless of course they go looking for an iPad instead. Either of which is precisely what ordinary users do

                1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

                  Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                  "the one that the salesman talks them into getting"

                  the one that gives the salesman the biggest bonus

                  FTFY

                  1. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken Silver badge

                    Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                    "- "the one that the salesman talks them into getting"

                    - the one that gives the salesman the biggest bonus "

                    Redundant.

            13. Innocent-Bystander*

              Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

              I think you should have given them something more specific, like download link to the latest Mint. It looks and acts more or less like Windows and installs without a hitch in less than 20 minutes in most cases

              I agree that most people would react in horror if they had to find a distribution first.

            14. Loud Speaker

              Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

              Imagine someone hates their Ford model T. You suggest they buy a modern car, maybe a Volkswagen or Opel, or something else that pollutes nicely.

              Oh, my GOD - there are choices, and some of them are NOT EVEN BLACK. Oh, Shit! I'm so fucked! Maybe I'll go back to walking. It works for the Amish.

              1. DainB Bronze badge

                Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                There's choice between VW Golf - which is doing reasonable job - and slightly cheaper Opel Astra as a kit car, which could be doing reasonable job after you put it together. Most people just need to get into their car and go.

          2. LucreLout Silver badge

            Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

            Most recently a couple in their 60' s who installed Linux Mint without assistance

            Technology illiterate people wouldn't even be able to select a distribution, never mind install one. They'd not have a clue where to find drivers, or how to configure the OS once they'd got it loaded. Patching? Won't happen. Securing? Won't get done.

            I know you want LotD to be true, I know you do. But wishful thinking isn't going to make it happen.

            It's Windows gives yer average user grief

            It doesn't though, does it. It installs itself if it isn't already installed when they get the computer home, it makes a reasonable fist of securing itself, and it even updates itself. It's pretty bloody far from perfect, but for a home user, there is no substitute. Windows Phone has a greater market penetration than LotD will ever achieve, and that's a rounding error at best.

            You're confusing you pushing Mint onto people you know for it having gained traction in the market. My friend could have named all her children Mildred, but it doesn't mean the name is making a come back.

            1. Chika

              Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

              >Most recently a couple in their 60' s who installed Linux Mint without assistance

              Technology illiterate people wouldn't even be able to select a distribution, never mind install one. They'd not have a clue where to find drivers, or how to configure the OS once they'd got it loaded. Patching? Won't happen. Securing? Won't get done.

              Mint, like many mainstream distros, attempts to minimise all this by automating updates and detecting drivers, much as Windows does. Usually they do a good job as well unless the PC being used has something particularly exotic or obscure, but then the same thing applies to Windows too.

              I know you want LotD to be true, I know you do. But wishful thinking isn't going to make it happen.

              > It's Windows gives yer average user grief

              It doesn't though, does it. It installs itself if it isn't already installed when they get the computer home, it makes a reasonable fist of securing itself, and it even updates itself. It's pretty bloody far from perfect, but for a home user, there is no substitute. Windows Phone has a greater market penetration than LotD will ever achieve, and that's a rounding error at best.

              I've been in the support business for a while and I can categorically state that the problem is ALWAYS between the chair and the keyboard regardless of the OS when dealing with older users. Once they are used to whatever it is they are using they're fine.

              You're confusing you pushing Mint onto people you know for it having gained traction in the market. My friend could have named all her children Mildred, but it doesn't mean the name is making a come back.

              Now there I've got more sympathy for your argument, especially as I tend to take umbrage with those that insist that Linux == Mint. And I've taken plenty of umbrage.

            2. Teiwaz Silver badge

              Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

              "Technology illiterate people wouldn't even be able to select a distribution, never mind install one. They'd not have a clue where to find drivers, or how to configure the OS once they'd got it loaded. Patching? Won't happen. Securing? Won't get done."

              Not necessarily, technology illiterate people have just as complex minds as the technology oriented, quite capable of jumping over the complexity as a shortcut through. They'll shrug and pick a distro they like the sound of/logo of or recognised hearing the name of.

              Installation is also fairly straight forward, most distros default to sharing a machine with windows, rather than egoistically wiping like a windows install/reinstall/reset does.

              Where to find drivers? In most cases they won't even have to look. Most Linux distros do a very good job of setting up the drivers for the hardware, provided it's not some esoteric piece of kit or fresh off the new product line the Linux kernel should run it just fine.

              Linux is never going to be a mass market OS in desktop form, almost ubiquitous in offices and homes, it's a general purpose OS. The mass market user is better served with something like ChromeOs, which is the kiddie pool to GNU/Linux.

              The whole 'year of linux on the desktop' was a a challenge to focus developers on the desktop usability for the mass market, not as a sale target.

              1. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken Silver badge

                Re: Linux distros etc

                "Not necessarily, technology illiterate people have just as complex minds as the technology oriented, quite capable of jumping over the complexity as a shortcut through. They'll shrug and pick a distro they like the sound of/logo of or recognised hearing the name of."

                No they will not. It's not that their minds are not complex enough. They do not want to use their minds (and time) on subjects like that. Period. They don't care because they don't want to care, and you can't make them. They are not aware of the fact that they are using computers all the time (aka phones, tablets, consumer electronics, cars, etc) - and even if they were aware of that they still would not care.

            3. Chemist

              Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

              "They'd not have a clue where to find drivers,"

              May I break it to you gently - I've not had to look for drivers using Linux for years The distros come with a vast array of drivers and install the relevant ones.

              1. KeithR

                Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                "May I break it to you gently - I've not had to look for drivers using Linux for years The distros come with a vast array of drivers and install the relevant ones."

                Which is great - IF YOU KNOW THAT AND KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. Which by definition means you're not the people we're talking about.

                1. Chemist

                  Re: Five technologies you shouldn't bother looking out for in 2016

                  "Which is great - IF YOU KNOW THAT AND KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. Which by definition means you're not the people we're talking about."

                  I hate to point it out to you that that is exactly the point - you don't have to know - why should you !

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