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I seem to have spent my life getting through, testing, and handling a lot of phones. A lot. But I hate phones. I hate all the hundreds of them I have lying around my house and the countless thousands of pounds I have spent on them. I hate that despite having tried, and bought, what seems like every combination possible, …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Big Brother

    ...the problem: this phone demands that you exist in Google’s universe, not just BlackBerry’s one. Doesn’t make me feel more secure at all.

    Quite.

    Any sign/prospect of CM or the like?

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Can you not sideload apks with this, to get e.g. FDroid then from there Firefox?

      1. Dave 126 Silver badge

        From the article, with added emphasis:

        > even downloading a new browser without being more geeky than I had time for required using Chrome, which wouldn’t do anything without me signing into a Google account first.

        1. Dan 55 Silver badge

          Only the review not mentioning sideloading means I'm left doubting that the sideload option actually exists on the Priv.

      2. Ken 16 Silver badge
        Paris Hilton

        Settings > Allow Unknown Sources, go to Aptoide site and no geekiness required, I'd have thought.

        1. Dan 55 Silver badge

          Aptoide? You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy...

    2. TheVogon

      Apparently it plays "Nearer, my God, to Thee" as the default ring tone....

  2. werdsmith Silver badge

    I know when I have the right phone, because I forget all about phones, stop shopping for phones and just use the phone for what it's good for without thinking about it.

    I too belong in that club that just can't get along with Android, I would sooner have no phone at all than use it.

    1. dogged

      Agreed. I've just trialled a Blackphone 2 for a month. I love everything about it except Android.

      What a horrible, wasteful, battery-burner of an OS.

      1. dogged

        This forum contains fanboys.

        1. danR2

          When one-article Dominic Young mentioned his Passport. HIS Passport...

          I guess that passes for HIS full disclosure, but I'd have preferred it a little more up-front.

          1. Ambivalous Crowboard

            Disclosure?

            What disclosure? To be honest, I'd rather the person that reviewed the new blackberry had possessed the old blackberry. Makes perfect sense. I bet most people in the comments are of the "have the old, want the new" variety (or they are trolls come to sentence blackberry to death again).

            Time to get down off your high-horse, I think.

    2. Bluto Nash
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      Can't get along with Android

      How odd, since I was the same way, constantly fiddling with it, until I got a Nexus 5 and after updating to 5.1.1 and loading the Apex launcher on it (and rooting for Titanium Backup), haven't looked back. I'd had a few other Androids as well - Skyrocket 2, Note 1, some Motorola thing - but I haven't felt the need to futz about with this one like the rest. I just use it. Decent screen, decent camera, decent battery life (for my use case), decent phone, wireless charging. Overall a winner in my book.

      1. cambsukguy

        Re: Can't get along with Android

        I did that with my phone, bought it, installed updates as they arrived and used it.

        Didn't do any of that launcher stuff, didn't root it, can't AFAIK.

        A device should be usable as is, shouldn't need hacking to stop it draining the battery or being repulsive to use.

        I will stick with mine and upgrade when I feel flush or it finally succumbs after the umpteenth drop.

    3. BinkyTheMagicPaperclip Silver badge

      I've generally liked my Xperia Pro; unfortunately things don't stand still in the mobile world. The Facebook app consumed increasing amounts of CPU in later releases, and needed so many privileges I had to drop it in favour of a web browser. Web sites have increased in complexity, and despite the fact it's now on Lollipop (third party rom, sort of works..) the hardware just isn't capable.

      For a year and a half to two years it was pretty good. Now it's just not fast or reliable enough - might be the third party rom, might be the aging hardware.

      I can't say I'm an actual fan of the OS, though, it's mostly improved in each release but it reminds me of the early releases of Windows. Gingerbread was 3.1. Ice Cream Sandwich was 95. Kitkat was OSR2. Lollipop is Windows 98 (unpatched).

      The last phones I really liked were Nokia not very smartphones, which had a passable web browser for a year or two, and some Java based apps, but couldn't cut it in the end.

  3. Ken 16 Silver badge
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    Yes!

    I'm looking at the Priv as my next phone. I was a committed Android fan but every single one had niggles and I kept swapping phones and burning custom ROMs and I could never make them all go away...then I got a Blackberry z10 and it just works.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Yes!

      I think BBs problem given recent history is that a lot of people will hold off from buying one for fear it won't be supported in a year's time. Although the keyboard/touchpad is a good idea, would a custom ROM be able to use it? I somehow doubt it.

      Enthusiasts managed to keep webOS going longer than anyone expected, but I can't see the business people that will fork out for the (expensive) Priv doing that.

      1. Paul Shirley

        Re: Yes!

        @Voyna

        If BB are making security claims, I'm going to assume there won't be any 3rd party ROMS, the bootloader will be locked so hard installing them will be impossible!

        1. Dave 126 Silver badge

          Re: Yes!

          The bootloader cannot be unlocked, according to BB's Head of Devices:

          http://www.androidcentral.com/exclusive-interview-blackberrys-president-devices-about-their-first-android-phone

          If I read the PDF linked to in the following article correctly, the bootloader is a major security weakness on many Android phones, should the attacker gain physical access for just a minute:

          http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/16/faux_disk_encryption/

          1. Shades

            Re: Yes!

            "The bootloader cannot be unlocked, according to BB's Head of Devices"

            Well thats like waving a red flag at a bull for some people. Give it time...

  4. Ian Entwistle

    I've used Android from 1.6, bought a Passport to replace my Note 3 in Jan as I have always preferred a hardware keyboard and like others, suddenly I stop thinking about how to do stuff on my phone and just got on with doing it. The Passport has been a revelation to me and took me back to how I felt about my Nokia N900 before I switched to droid, that I have a device really focused on function/usability over fashion. I quite like the quirky nature of the device, the square screen, the HUB, the amazing battery life and most of all the truly awesome keyboard and track pad function. I only miss one app that I can't run from Droid land for my Banking and can make do with the .mobi site for that.

    I do quite fancy having a play with the PRIV but in all honesty it will have to be significantly "better" than my PP for me to make the switch. Having a normal rectangular ratio is not enough for me, I care little for a curved edge as I always use a case which would cover it anyway. The hardware in itself doesn't appear to be much better than the PP which has never felt slow or lacking to me either. right now I'm feeling less inclined to want to throw X hundred quid at something no better at doing what I want it to than what I have already.

    1. Inspector71
      Facepalm

      Sigh...

      The N900, I loved that phone. Still fire it up occasionally. Nokia were idiots.

      1. cambsukguy

        Re: Sigh...

        I worked on that phone at Nokia, loved it despite may failings - many of which would which more memory would have fixed.

        I used to leave it running a vnc server for remote (graphical using X) access even after I got a new phone.

        And I had an N9 for a fleeting moment before leaving, before it was released even, brilliant, sigh indeed.

        1. Sgt_Oddball

          Re: Sigh...

          I still have my HTC desire z as a backup phone. Now that had a good physical keyboard. Shame it was underpowered for the day.

        2. bhaskardangat

          Re: Sigh...

          N900 and then N9, i was so expecting another device on Meego, But Elop killed the whole program, and then BB Z10 gave me that feeling, felt like, Nokia Guys came over to BB, :D

      2. bhaskardangat

        Re: Sigh...

        Same here, I loved my N900 what a device, then got the N9 that was awesome too still working great. Elop killed Nokia, i hate him, Meego was a great OS, unfortunatley my N900 is dead now, it has gone in a continous reboot mode, and i cant flash the OS as i don't have the files. Sigh :)

  5. AMBxx Silver badge
    Unhappy

    Phone OS

    In summary:

    Android - it's Google, no thanks

    iOS - Appled Walled Garden, no thanks

    BB- dead

    Windows - no apps and now privacy issues.

    There's a niche for someone!

    1. Permidion

      Re: Phone OS

      you forgot Sailfish OS

      1. mythicalduck

        Re: Phone OS

        Now you see, I looked at the Jolla... Guesture based and few to no buttons instantly killed this idea; otherwise I would have dived in pretty quick.

        What happened to the other low-key OSes?

        1. Permidion

          Re: Phone OS

          I guess you meant buttons as in hardware keyboard, which may be interesting indeed.

          otherwise I dont really see the possible usage if you are just talking about some "home" button and the like, Im curious to know whats your use-cases ?

        2. bhaskardangat

          Re: Phone OS

          I thought Jolla would do well, but they took a lot of time to come with a phone if they could release a phone soon after N9, that would have got them some market share, but as it was a small company, marketing and distribution took ages for Jolla phones to go other markets. wonder if they are doing well.

          1. Dan 55 Silver badge

            Re: Phone OS

            Jolla had to come up with a new UI, Nokia kept the rights to the N9's swipe UI. Hopefully Nokia still has those rights instead of MS.

            The last I heard Jolla had decided to stop selling devices themselves and just concentrate on licencing out their OS.

      2. Quortney Fortensplibe

        Re: Phone OS

        ...and Ubuntu Mobile

      3. Ken 16 Silver badge
        Trollface

        Re: Phone OS

        Hasn't everyone?

    2. Ken 16 Silver badge
      Holmes

      Re: Phone OS

      Android Wear, locked down, 2.4 inch screen, T9 keyboard, detachable battery - basically a Nokia 6310 with the option of using it as a wifi hotspot.

    3. jason 7

      Re: Phone OS

      Indeed...bring back WebOS!

    4. Orwell

      Re: Phone OS

      Jolla?

  6. Permidion

    Tested them all?

    I just wonder, as you say you have tested all phones out there,

    did you test a Jolla? and if yes what did you think about it?

  7. Paul Shirley

    what about the camera?

    I suppose we'll have to wait for Orlowski's inevitable review to find out if the camera's any good.

    Sad that I think of mobiles as a camera with 'other bits' but that's how mine get's used ;)

    1. sabroni Silver badge

      Re: I suppose we'll have to wait for Orlowski's inevitable review

      Where have you been? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/06/blackberry_priv_review/

    2. Andrew Orlowski (Written by Reg staff)

      Re: what about the camera?

      re. Paul Shirley's inevitable whinge:

      I can EXCLUSIVELY reveal that we ran our Priv review two weeks ago:

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/06/blackberry_priv_review/

      Do try and keep up, lad.

      1. Paul Shirley

        Re: what about the camera?

        Damn, you slipped it out just as I was knocking off for a well earned weekend drinking session. Let's say several days were lost that weekend...

    3. cambsukguy

      Re: what about the camera?

      You must have a Lumia 1020 then.

    4. Whitter

      Re: what about the camera?

      A snag with the Nexus "get all updates" approach is while this is good for security, there can be downsides in usability elsewhere. Namely my Nexus 4's camera used to work very well but, after some long-forgotten update, forgot how to autofocus properly and quickly.

    5. I. Aproveofitspendingonspecificprojects

      Re: what about the camera?

      Designed for you tube freedom fighters. I wonder if ISIS are still waiting for the appropriate review. Up/downvote to get women and children killed (Paris, Damascus or/and Riyadh)

  8. strangeed

    Interesting take on the priv, though I do feel the author may have misjudged the audience by stating no-one cares about it being the latest version of Android. Given Blackberry's stated commitment to quick updates I would hope that it is kept up-to-date for a considerable time.

    Though to be really interesting I would have hoped for water resistance and dust protection.

  9. fatty lewis

    I love my priv. There are still a few little niggles. The hard keyboard sometimes misses key presses, though i think this is a software issue also the hub isn't anywhere near as integrated as it is on bbos10. Again though this is software and will no doubt be fixed.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What's so bad about Android?

    There are quirks certainly but the versatility makes it worthwhile.

    1. Paul Crawford Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: What's so bad about Android?

      Google

      1. dogged

        Re: What's so bad about Android?

        Security. Malware. Endless repeating notifications. Apps that demand access to everything for no reason (a good example here is Google Clock which is an alarm clock created by Google that claims it needs access to your wifi settings and contacts list - what the actual fuck?!?).

        Apps that don't close. Apps that autorun. Opaque settings. Lag. Battery life. Is that enough for you?

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