back to article Doctor Who: Nigel Farage-alike bogey beast terrorises in darkly comic Sleep No More

Readers please note: THIS IS A POST-UK BROADCAST REVIEW – THERE WILL BE SPOILERS! When someone tells you not to look, what do you do? Stare incessantly, of course. Mark Gatiss – dark comedy master and the writer of this week's episode, Sleep No More – knows this only too well. And with a monster to boot that has the same …

Headmaster

"...which gift humans with..."

Come on, we've got a perfectly good word: "give". Unless you're a sports journalist it's time to stop this madness.

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My gift to you

I've never had a problem with this use of the word, but then again, my foreign language was German, so...

Gift: poison, venom, toxin, bane.

Think "Snow White" and a beautiful apple for you, my dear.

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Sorry...

...about high-jacking this thread but...

...I thought that most of this series, up to now, was execrable, but now words fail me; have we all become faeces connoisseurs?

That El Reg commentards are arguing over subtleties between turds is very depressing; we're supposed to be smart people - why else would we be visiting a tech-oriented web-site? This episode so full of tech-holes, right from the-get-go, like a group of elite (because they're on a rescue mission?) military who argue and bicker like nine year-olds, to the need for 'Gravity generators' to stay in orbit - FFS!

(and I don't use shrieks wantonly)

We had a glimpse of what Who could be, with Capaldi's performance at the end of the last episode, where he stepped out the the cartoon character to become a believable entity, transforming caricature to plausible.

This is the tragedy of the current series; in engaging Capaldi to play the Doctor, the Who series could have been transformed, much along the lines as how 'Bond' has been transformed by Daniel Craig i.e. from caricature to plausible.

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Re: Sorry...

Sorry, butt you'll have to remind me which episode Capaldi had a "performance" in. I think this episode's monsters were highly representative of the skill he has brought to the main role: an open-mouthed, turd-shaped, sleep in the corner.

You're absolutely spot on with the vast number of jarring technological holes. I don't mind a bit of "magic" but for things like dust? jeez, we have a good scientific understanding of dust, and it doesn't act as a camera platform for nano-cameras, nor is there any recognizable legend of such things. The body's waste materials do not spontaneously form into living creatures of any size.

If any one of these faults had been explained away, it wouldn't be so bad, but there would still be all the rest. A story can only stand so many problems before it all falls apart.

That, coupled with the wooden acting, really lets down the serious. This is the worst Doctor, and I started with the third.

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She's still in Ep 11 according to IMDB.

And Maisie will be back in Ep 10 BTW.

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>>"BBC have already leaked that Clara gets killed off in episode 10, so next week should be better"

Something that many of us were not aware of so thanks for your selfishness.

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I love Clara I love all bispecies

"Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra"

Stick that through your failed universal translator or your missing Tardis or your dead Babelfish.

It's Clara stuck inside a dalek repeatedly, trying to say what she can't say. It's why all you nano-brains stuck inside the reproductive frenzy of your noisy little food chain can't contemplate friendship here. You say something nice, something decent, like we all do, all the time. And then it's mis-translated.

You could even make friends with Trekkers, and show them where they went wrong.

"Temba, his arms wide"

Clara, her legs wide.

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Missy-translated?

C'mon folk, keep up while I'm gone. I demand you all read all my old comments in the voice of Michelle Gomez from now on.

"In future, if you’re going to take my stick, do me the favor of actually killing me. Teamwork is all about respect."

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Something that many of us were not aware of so thanks for your selfishness.

I didn't read what you pasted. Thanks for re-iterating it for us!

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>>"I didn't read what you pasted. Thanks for re-iterating it for us!"

I thought of that when I wrote it but figured as this forum has no Ignore feature (in which case many people would not have seen x7's post), anyone reading my response to them would almost certainly have or be imminently about to read their post.

To the point that I think there's a good chance your post and giant FAIL logo are just snark. If you are indeed just selectively skipping posts and got to mine alone somehow, I apologise. I'm just tired of x7's selfish rants which are mainly trolling across the forums.

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And thanks for your stupidity in quoting the offending post.

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" just selectively skipping posts"

Sorry for not reading every single comment here... but what post? You mean this post?

"This post has been deleted by a moderator"

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"x7's selfish rants"

Selfish rants? Not so dear boy. I'm simply g the information that the BBC has already released in an effort to drum up viewers.........

Of course it could be that Muffit is up to his tricks and leaking false info - in which case next weeks episode will be an even bigger surprise for you

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Doctor Who and the dustmen

Had a nice ring to it. Well, my old man thought so anyway.

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Hats. Hats are cool. And Gore-blimey trousers.

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I'm happy...

...as Doc was continually saying that nothing makes sense, I was expecting to see them all wake up from the sleep pods and none of it was real. I'm glad they avoided this route.

@ x 7: Downvote because some people might tend to avoid the official sites (spoilers) and would rather watch the story "fresh" without knowing what may come. So...thanks for that.

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Re: I'm happy...

"I still think she's the most s*******e assistant ever"

Semaphore? Sacrifice? Sonophone?

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@x7

have to agree, now i know she might be axed, i'll definitely watch. The season so far has been pants.

El Reg, how about a poll on how she will go? create an article for suggestions and then a poll of the top 5? A teeshirt with Clara and the text "The Impossible (to Like) Girl) to random winner.

Come on, make this season somewhat entertaining !!!

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Re: I'm happy...

"suggestions and then a poll of the top 5? "

still not sure if my favourite is her being ravished by an Ice Warrior or squashed by an overweight Silurian.

So who do we want to replace her? Any takers for a return of Kylie? She's old enough to kick some sense into the acting

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Sally Sparrow from Blink as the next Who girl

as for Clara, she might be easy on the eye, but the writers have given her a crap role in the last 2 seasons

the Doctor should just go to some planet and then push her out the door and leg it, like an unwanted puppy*. Lets see how the "Impossible Girl" finds her way home then.

* pets are for life and should never be deserted.

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Apart from the chance to offer a gratuitous insult to Farage...

What on earth has this got top do with UKIP?

Or is it the bigotry of the author showing through?

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Re: Apart from the chance to offer a gratuitous insult to Farage...

Have an upvote.

Given the awful events in Paris, a bit more UKIP thinking and a bit less Merkel thinking might be required.

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Re: Apart from the chance to offer a gratuitous insult to Farage...

Why? Don't you kip?

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Re: Apart from the chance to offer a gratuitous insult to Farage...

"Given the awful events in Paris, a bit more UKIP thinking and a bit less Merkel thinking might be required."

A totally unrelated and stupid comment on your part. Cameron making headlines because the UK had a small part in the recent US drone execution/assassination is more likely to attract an ISIS attack than being part of the EU

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Re: Apart from the chance to offer a gratuitous insult to Farage...

Wake up and smell the roses John Brown, you might think differently if that were your wife, brother, sister or child in Paris that night. These people are not liberal like you or I and will not hesitate in executing you, you cannot reason with fanatics.

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Re: Apart from the chance to offer a gratuitous insult to Farage...

Given the awful events in Paris, a bit more UKIP thinking and a bit less Merkel thinking might be required.

And this is how the terrorists win.

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Re: Apart from the chance to offer a gratuitous insult to Farage...

To be fair, I watched it an thought it looked like Nigel as well............

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Re: Apart from the chance to offer a gratuitous insult to Farage... @AC

you might think differently if that were your wife, brother, sister or child in Paris that night.

Yeah, 'cos it is well known that people consumed with grief (or fear or anger) make superb decisions and their thought processes really are ones we should all try to emulate at all times.

you cannot reason with fanatics.

Very true, so I wont try. You are just wrong. Is that better?

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Re: Apart from the chance to offer a gratuitous insult to Farage...

"you might think differently if that were your wife, brother, sister or child in Paris that night"

This is unbelievable admittedly, but true none the less. My ex was the volunteer doctor in that theatre for about a decade before I met her until after she dumped me circa 2002. All French venues require an active doctor. She was technically raised as a Muslim but not as you or the terrorists would recognise, and she may not even have been there or in France that awful night. But I am very worried, I haven't traced her or several other Parisian pals yet. I've just got an email lead on one of them that may help me find out if most of them are okay, but so far that's all I have just now. A hope for more info. later.

I can cling to that in lieu of facts. I am fearful tonight for people I loved, not a wife or child admittedly, but still, people who shaped me. I hope that they contact me when they eventually think of me, because it is unlikely I can contact them just now. I sort of get social media for the first time.

I've suffered this waiting worry before, my best friend out of contact for a few days after the Bali bomings, my sister and her children in the London bombings. I know they have better things to do than phone me of all people, I get that.

And I get the fear you feel when you hear that one of these terrorists was a fake refugee as you doubtless predicted. I'm not intimidated at all though, because the majority of the Parisians I'm worrying about were themselves refugees.

You and we are facing a murderous terrorist group, a heavily armed criminal gang called Daesh. Not a 'clash of cultures', not an existential threat, not an actual state. I bet you own a 'Keep Calm and Carry On' mug or poster or T shirt. Read it, and weep.

Don't let psychopaths change your reasonable political views, or else they win.

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Re: Apart from the chance to offer a gratuitous insult to Farage...

"Wake up and smell the roses John Brown, you might think differently if that were your wife, brother, sister or child in Paris that night."

If it was my family, I'd be swinging between grief and thoughts of murder. I live in France. It might be me next time...

That said, I'm calling you on this. France was attacked by IS in retribution for France's efforts in fighting the IS in Syria. Tell me, please, what you think should be done? I'll happily agree that Merkel is a batshit crazy to have had such a wide open door policy, and I'd say it to her face if I ever got the chance. It is a textbook example of the road to hell being paved with good intentions.

But what is your grand idea? Stick your fingers in your ears and pretend nothing is happening until the lunatic fanatical interpretation of the Koran is at your doorstep and banging on the door?

Fear makes them stronger. Indifference makes them stronger. Stupidity makes them stronger. Apathy makes them stronger. Maybe if we had all paid more attention the IS wouldn't be anything like they are now. But they are and we can't change the past. The future, that's something we can influence.

So tell me, tell us, what's your big plan?

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Re: Apart from the chance to offer a gratuitous insult to Farage...

"France was attacked by IS in retribution for France's efforts in fighting the IS in Syria."

Actually, I think it's as much to do with Algeria and the massive ghettos on the outskirts of Paris as is it to do with IS. From IS's pov they simply found very fertile ground.

BUT this isn't really the correct forum for that discussion.

I'm afraid to say that I found Dr Who as shit as I ever have.... I don't watch very often for that reason. I also find the ham fisted BBC PCness annoying in the extreme.

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"Wake up and smell the roses John Brown"

I'm well aware of the situation with terrorist groups like IS and their ilk. I'm also well aware that IS doesn't represent a religion and that the UK being in the EU has nothing to do with the situation. I'm also well aware that out of 100;s of 1000's there is the risk that an odd few terrorist might get through with them. I'm also aware that people like you and some of the recent tabloid headlines are quite happy to tar all those refugees with the terrorist brush and thus increase the chances of radicalising some of them and actually creating more terrorists.

And just to get slightly back on topic, last weeks Doctor Who broadcast would almost certainly have been cancelled if that story had been scheduled for this week considering the topic.

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The Scream

As an Antipodean I'm unfamiliar with this Farage you all keep banging on about... anyway, the sleep monsters' mouths reminded me a bit of The Scream by Edvard Munch.

Beer icon because having read the thread above I think you all need to drink some and calm down a bit.

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Well at the minute the terrorists are winning with the help of our porous borders that the likes of Merkel are such fans of.

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Great episode in a great series

I must admit, I found the last series harder to love, as much as I wanted to, buy this series has had such fantastic stories and Capaldi is really in his stride now (and that's never a bad thing!)

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Haunted House... in Space!

Shaky cam, gimmicky characters, and a thin Who Dunnit story... what's not to like?

The episode isn't bad, aside suffering from Mary Sue Exposition, nee Oswald.

The ending was surprisingly good... creepy good!

It's enough to make the episode watchable. Small things do distract from it, like the sounds-like-GlaDOS modulated computer, unbelievable jerk soldiers (bonus: stupid muscle, instant army), the fingerpointing at the painfully obvious... i forgot count how many times we find the cast of a McDonald's commercial fighting against all odds.

Wasn't Danny supposed to replace Clara? He was yummy, and actually was developed as a character... not like "I won't remember anything traumatic or life changing" Oswald.

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"Shaky cam, gimmicky characters, and a thin Who Dunnit story... what's not to like?"

- everything. It was awful, same old Gatis ideas delivered weaker than before. Trying too hard to be clever and scary and failing to be either.

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**intentionally** bad, Just remember., it is NOT 'live', only 'playback' - that is why the Doc said 'something not right' - now watch the last few mins again..!!

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Bah!

A darkly comic pleasing monster-hunting chase?

Glad you told me, because while I was watching it I thought it was just lame.

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Re: iplayer problem

got the full episode myself after adding --modes=flashhd,flashhigh,flashlow,flashstd,flashvhigh,hlshd,hlshigh,hlslow,hlsstd,hlsvhigh,subtitles

Get it from git check for errors

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Re: iplayer problem

Nope, plays fine for me all the way through.

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The version on a.b.teevee seemed to download and play just fine too, with less hoop jumping :-)

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I don't think I was watching the same episode as the author of this article... and WTF has his hatred of UKIP got to do with DW. Leave your personal bigotry in your personal life please.

As for the episode itself... yet another in a long line of snoozefests this series. Capaldi just isn't getting the opportunities to shine like he did last year. This years series has been on the whole dire, mediocre drivel... Out of 9 episodes, there have only been two of any note... both with Maise Williams in... and perhaps one scene in the season opener.

I'll be blunt... I have disliked Oswalds character virtually from the beginning.... the first outing of her character in Asylum of the Daleks aside. She's has been a noose on the show for far too long. Sure many of you may like her, but I don't and it's really, really dragging the show down for me when it's paired up with poor writing and crap like sonic specs, breaking the 4th wall and speaking directly to the audience have all cried of a show in turmoil that needs to find it's direction again.

I must admit that the main reason I am still watching this year is because I want to see Clara's demise... I don't want to see here leave... I want to see her dead... so there's no chance of her coming back.

As for the next companion... why not make it a bloke... there have been plenty in the past and I think that they're perhaps building up to the next doctor being female... and that perhaps Missy was a test to see how the audience would react to a major character changing gender.

Roll on next week... roll on the demise of Clara 'useless' Oswald.

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The craving for Clara snuff is strong in this one.

Is it the same as feel as wanting to see Ewoks burn?

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"As for the next companion... why not make it a bloke... there have been plenty in the past"

I agree, so long as it's not anyone like Adric!

"and I think that they're perhaps building up to the next doctor being female... and that perhaps Missy was a test to see how the audience would react to a major character changing gender.

I hope not. It would jump out like a sore thumb as a "me too" plot device now. Maybe if Missy regenerates as a male again very soon and then they wait a few years it might be time for a female doctor. Doing it too soon after Missy really won't work.

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She's has been a noose on the show for far too long.

I don't know, I think if she had died as the impossible girl, dissolving into the Doctors time stream, her stint and exit would have been heroic, but now she's become almost like Rose, more important than the Doctor - like UNIT kowtowing to her, Missy needing her, even the Doc playing second fiddle to her bravado and perky wit.

Also wasn't that impressed with this episode, it might've been better without the sandmen, just have the crew disappearing one by one, then show the villain at the end disintegrating into sand along with the electronic explanation... 6/10

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"I must admit that the main reason I am still watching this year is because I want to see Clara's demise... I don't want to see here leave... I want to see her dead... so there's no chance of her coming back."

Well, being killed didn't stop them finding ways of bringing back Jack... or Amy... or Rory... or Ashildr... or Danny. Heck, even the Brigadier got another outing as a Cyberman last season.

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