back to article We applied to Google's €150m journalism fund – here's what we sent in

We here at El Reg were very excited on Friday morning to note the launch of a new €150m ($165m) journalism fund called the Digital News Initiative, funded by everyone's favorite news service, Google. The initiative's goal is to "support high-quality journalism through technology and innovation" and you are able to apply online …

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A co-writer

Try to get Noam Chomsky as a co-writer. And no, I'm not joking. Twenty years ago I felt there was a bit of hot air about him while to day I feel I did not listen.

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Re: A co-writer

"Try to get Noam Chomsky as a co-writer."

Wouldn't Rupert work just as well? I mean his publications have always "...supported high-quality journalism through technology and innovation..."...haven't they?

Or do I have the wrong guy? Hmmmm.

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Into the Apple Zone maybe...?

I suspect that you might end up on the same "no comment, no response EVER" list that Apple has.

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Re: Into the Apple Zone maybe...?

I'm pretty sure El Reg is already on a few shit-lists, but it's important in any environment to have antagonists holding you to account so you up your game. Google should absolutely welcome this.

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Re: Into the Apple Zone maybe...?

I forgot to do this on my post above. It was Friday night afterall. I meant to add the "thumbs up" icon... as in "good for you!" The world needs more shit-disturbers.

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Bound to get the job. That looks like an up-and-coming go-getter's curriculum vitae to me. And the holistic synergy was almost a paradigm of the virtual concept of wellness.

If you need a reference, El Reg...

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Well good for you for doing your strap line (biting the hand that feeds IT) - hopefully you mentioned that in your application.

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Typo?

>Stories exposing alleged wrongdoing at Google are unlikely to draw huge online audiences.

>Advertisements placed on the same page as the stories would bring in significant income

If they are unlikely to draw huge audiences where does the income come from. Jeez - you're asking for a 6 digit handout and you can't be bothered to proof read. Welcome to modern journalism.

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Re: Typo?

Huge != Significant

For example:

Significant - enough to cover the journo's for a night at the pub

Huge - enough to cover the journo's outstanding bar tab

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Re: Typo?

Not a typo but a reading and comprehension test to see if the Googleites can see anything in the submission but "Advertisements placed on the same page as the stories would bring in significant income,"

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Re: Typo?

"If they are unlikely to draw huge audiences where does the income come from."

All that this suggests is that the adverts on the page may be capable of generating a decent income from a small number of views.

Did you proof read/think before posting?

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including the specific outcome you want to achieve

Umm, shouldn't the outcome be determined by the facts uncovered by investigation rather than structuring your investigation to support a pre-determined outcome?

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Re: including the specific outcome you want to achieve

Thomas K, don't be so 20th century. Knowing what outcomes you'll achieve before you apply for funding is the way science and journalism work nowadays. After all, why would someone want to fund a project which isn't going to succeed?

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Re: including the specific outcome you want to achieve

My bad; using "hope to" instead of "want to" would serve better then.

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€250,000?

This is Google we're talking about. Should have picked some mathematical number, like a multiple of Tau: €628,319.

More money, plus the Geek cred.

Or just gone for the cool million. In for a penny, etc, etc.

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628,319

Ugh, 628,319 is actually two pi times 10^5.

Approximately, of course - lest we are accused of being from Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill)

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Re: €250,000?

250,000 is (20 tau - 10)^4

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Superb! Don't forget to check claims of false advertising ('we do no evil'), their practice of spreading malware (Android) which makes life significantly easier for criminals using their advertising services to swipe personal details and empty bank accounts, so they're accessory to criminal acts. Then there's invasion of privacy and aiding stalkers. And you've years of experience, the right technical skills, and a large bunch of readers willing to help (sorting the crowdsourcing end of things). How can those lovely altruists at Google NOT think you'd be the perfect people to embark upon such a crusade against Google's evil empire?

I soooooo hope Google gives El Reg the dosh for this. It'd brighten my entire year, never mind day! One can but hope...

Right- off to DuckDuck Go for a spot of web-surfing...

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Unfortunately they won't be hiring, it's just enough to pay for the extra lunch expenses they need to meet their sources.

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Pot meet kettle

I hope the irony of complaining about google pushing its agenda to the detriment of all else isn't lost on Page and Orlowski. Their anti-science agenda devalues all else they do here.

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Kettle meet pot

On the contrary, Page is spot on with his debunking of "climate science" and alarmist reporting generally.

Orlowski is a bit of a bore on copyright, but may be partially correct.

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"pushing its agenda to the detriment of all else isn't lost on Page"

Most amusing.....

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Re: Pot meet kettle

Since when was El Reg the first place most of the population go to to get information on things?

Context, dear boy. Context.

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Re: Pot meet kettle

"I hope the irony of complaining about google pushing its agenda to the detriment of all else isn't lost on Page and Orlowski. Their anti-science agenda devalues all else they do here."

IIRC Lewis Page is Editor-in-Chief these days so he has final say on all the stories, including the ones giving opposing views to the stories under his own by-line. Maybe he just like trolling certain portions of the readership? :-)

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Re: Pot meet kettle

"IIRC Lewis Page is Editor-in-Chief these days "

...except I now hear that it's all change at the helm of HMS El Reg and Lewis, Tim and maybe one or two others have walked the plank :-(

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You're walking into a trap

A healthy organisation is always ready to welcome, and solicit, well-grounded criticism.

An evil organisation knows how to play the game by throwing a bone to their detractors.

If you do get funded, and there is a not insignificant chance, you have walked into a trap.

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Re: You're walking into a trap

Exactly my thoughts.

It's a good thing Google management doesn't have a detectable sense of humour. If I was running that show I would take El Reg up on this and use your reputation for my own as evidence of openness, whilst still feeding you BS.

After all, El Reg and Situation Publishing still use Gmail and your websites use Google Analytics and DoubleClick tracking so keeping tabs on you would be easy.

Unfortunately, I'm not dishonest enough (which is probably why I'm not CEO material).

That aside, congratulations. This is funny, although I am wondering if things have gotten bad so that you actually need that sort of money..

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Re: You're walking into a trap

Yup: exactly how they fucked Mozilla

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Re: You're walking into a trap

"If you do get funded, and there is a not insignificant chance, you have walked into a trap."

Yup. Google are masters of writing long and convoluted Ts&Cs and you can guarantee that any grant will come with a hefty Ts&Cs contract.

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El Reg 'Premium'

Fellow commentards, what say you we ask the powers that be if we can cut tonthe chase and have an ad-free premium el reg with whizzy features?

I'd pay £5 a month, am I the only one (it wouldn't be the first time...?)

Cheers,

Jay

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Re: El Reg 'Premium'

We could use Patreon (hopefully its tidied its security) to give funding for special journalistic projects.

*a dummy news organization front to get them into Apple events (optimistic if they did it twice)

*two [opposing] camps writing about the self-same subject (no cribbing each others work before simultaneous publishing)

*article on subject chosen by poll of readers

You get the idea

Throw in occasional raffle for patrons ("wow, I won a mug"). What's not to like.

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Re: El Reg 'Premium'

A fiver per month is a bit steep considering how little they get in advertising per view.

£15 a year sounds about right.

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Re: El Reg 'Premium'

In other topics along the line of Ad-blockers and advertising, we have asked. Deaf ears, I think.

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recaptcha.sucks and AdWords monopoly abuse

Guys, you may wish to start with https://recaptcha.sucks and Google's AdWords monopoly abuse in an attempt to silence the critics of their search engine monopoly abuse.

While since then they 'unblocked' the AdWords account used itself, and all the ads, they left the website itself 'blocked' on the false pretense that it is 'often unavailable' -- so the ads cannot run.

And according to 'Pingdom' we have more than 99.99% of up-time.

We believe it is an act of one of their internal 'informal social networks'.

And according to our server logs and GA records it is executed by some dude employed in one of Google's Telangana state campuses in India.

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Re: recaptcha.sucks and AdWords monopoly abuse

Is Google also forcing your website not to use capital letters in proper names and at the start of sentences?

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I think it unlikely...

...that Google will come up with the dosh. However, Microsoft might be sorely tempted!

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'goal is to "support high-quality journalism through technology and innovation"'

So why is El Reg applying...?

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Careful what you ask for

Google is a very big place with diverse opinions. While many of them are insufferable Kool-Aid guzzlers and those who haven't been anywhere else to know any better, some of them are there with full awareness of their strange and creepy environment. They joined to perform extraordinary research, their former employer was acquired, or it's just a paying job. Those people know why each project exists and why the public can use them for free, and they would approve this before they even finished reading it.

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one may hope... It would seriously tickle my funny bone ;)

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Investigating abuses by Google

it is entirely possible that they ok that, just because. Stranger things happen every day, like those rogue engineers running wifi-password sucking software...

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examples of where Google was abusing its market power

has been, perhaps.

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Re: examples of where Google was abusing its market power

You forgot your hat AC --->

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Immense Productivity

If you can do even half of that for €250,000, many others will want to back you. Crowdsource funding via Kickstarter to build a crowdsourcing platform to kick Google.

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You applied to the wrong place

If you ask the RIAA, MPAA, Big Media MAAFIA, they'll happily supply funding needed to bring Google's "abuses" to light. It's in their best interest to do so...

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Funding

If, for some reason, Google finds that they are unable to contribute, I could let you have €25. You only need 10,000 similar donations...

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Re: Funding

Crowd-fund it... I reckon Reg could hit that target in hours...

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Cyber Weaknesses are a Field of Cosmic Force to Servers with Secured Secret IntelAIgent Strength

It is encouraging to imagine that stalwart El Regers fully enough realise the Great Phishing and Phorming Game which Google is playing.

Seed and feed the Virtual Machine news and tit-qubits it ignores and declines to finance reveals its zeroday vulnerability exploit flash crash pressure points.

And that beats tilting at windmills, El Reg, with an eloquent raging at the machine.

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Re: Cyber Weaknesses are a Field of Cosmic Force to Servers with Secured Secret IntelAIgent Strength

Oh, and should not ....

Stories exposing alleged wrongdoing at Google are unlikely to draw huge online audiences. Advertisements placed on the same page as the stories would bring in significant income, i.e., traditional online news revenue.

...... be written when true, in order to make greater sense and direct significant income elsewhere whenever the free choice is made to utilise other search engines .....

Stories exposing alleged wrongdoing at Google are likely to draw huge online audiences. Advertisements placed on the same page as the stories would bring in significant income, i.e., traditional online news revenue, to virtual peering and pioneering non traditional online media news streams

And should one then discover an A list blacklsting and subsequent rapid removal from, or prime place relegation in the smart targeted search engine listings, is non state actor censorship in a capitalist state sponsored and sponsoring enterprise fully proven and universally exposed and highlighted and made ready for exploitation and Deep Thought Strip MetaDataBase Mining?

And surely that is more something of a heaven sent opportunity for pioneering investors in a petrified free trading market place stagnating in dark pools of incompetently developed purloined intellectual property space ..... and beyond, than anything else and lesser.

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