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Sitting down? Nothing in your mouth? Microsoft has developed its own Linux distribution. And Azure runs it to do networking. Redmond's revealed that it's built something called Azure Cloud Switch (ACS), describing it as “a cross-platform modular operating system for data center networking built on Linux” and “our foray into …

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  1. Mikel

    Finally hired someone who knows good software

    Probably told her they were a .com startup until after the hook was set.

    1. Bob Vistakin
      Linux

      Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

      U-ho.

      Their mobile efforts also failed, so their only way forward was infiltration. Is this the way we'll see Linux on the desktop then?

      Maybe we could ask cortana.

      1. ITS Retired

        Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

        I can't see Microsoft's version of Linux being any better than their own desktop software.

        What I can see are patient and copyright lawsuits by MS against the established Linux world.

        The DoJ needs to revisit the breakup of Microsoft into Office software and operating system software.

        1. 101

          Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

          DoJ and MS are the same thing anymore. Just different logos.

        2. ps2os2

          Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

          How many BSOD can MS program?

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

          On the contrary, as this software is based on Linux, which is GPL'd - remember why MacroStuffed hires hundreds of corporate lawyers? - I'm eagerly awaiting my copy of all of the source code for this software, because the GPL requires that, and Microsoft hates software piracy and people who don't comply with every letter of their software licence, doesn't it? :)

          1. Richard Plinston Silver badge

            Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

            > I'm eagerly awaiting my copy of all of the source code for this software, because the GPL requires that,

            The GPL only requires that the source code be available to those who receive the software. As the software is only distributed internally then there is no requirement for source code to be made available outside.

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      1. lee7

        Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

        Oh clever, sneak in an advert.

        1. asdf Silver badge

          Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

          >Oh clever, sneak in an advert.

          Oh look I just used the report button for the like the first time ever on that garbage (original post he is referring too) and I have been on this site for well over a decade. I never even had too with either Matt B or Eadon. Trolling I can deal with (I borderline do it some would claim). Work from home for $87 an hour garbage not so much. Everyone should report the third post up from this one.

          1. hutcheson

            Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

            >Work from home for $87 an hour garbage

            Really, I mean!

            Who works from home for less than $92.26 these days?

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Alien

              Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

              >Who works from home for less than $92.26 these days?

              Wouldn't fart on the cat for less than $317.79

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

                And what has the cat ever done to you?

                [Unless it's the neighbour's cat that keeps shitting in my garden. Then I'd say nuke it!!]

      2. David Dawson

        Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

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    3. Fitz_

      Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

      I have a .exe startup - do I win?

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

      Presumably they only did this because it was cheaper and easier than recompiling Windows for these ASICs. Surprised the performance is good enough though. As anyone who has tried really high end connectivity like Mallanox or 40GB Ethernet, the Windows network stack significantly outperforms off the shelf Linux - which doesn't support features like TOE without custom kernel hacks.

      1. Chemist

        Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

        " the Windows network stack significantly outperforms off the shelf Linux "

        Ahahah !

        1. GrahamsTenPenneth

          Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

          .... err...

          The __BSD___ network stack significantly outperforms off the shelf Linux.

          Yes I guess it would.

      2. Maventi

        Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

        "Surprised the performance is good enough though."

        Why? For starters the OS doesn't move frames in a switch, it's just there for abstracting management of the actual ASIC(s).

        "As anyone who has tried really high end connectivity like Mallanox or 40GB Ethernet,"

        That would be me. And in reality it depends on many more factors than just the OS, such as NIC chipset and driver quality. For many day-to-day tasks I've seen little discernible different between Windows and Linux at 10G or 40G. I've found Linux (and *BSD) often pull ahead slightly once you increase the frame size (who doesn't these days?) but in reality it's hardly enough to bother writing home about.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

          "I've found Linux (and *BSD) often pull ahead slightly once you increase the frame size (who doesn't these days?) but in reality it's hardly enough to bother writing home about."

          Not my experience - high bandwidth / low latency networking is almost always faster on recent Windows versions than Linux (can't comment on BSD) - examples I have seen tested being as an NFS server - and as a SMB server (using SMB Direct) it's way faster than any Linux option I have ever seen. Does Linux have an SMB Direct driver yet? The Samba team were "working on it" 2 years + ago...

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

          "Why? For starters the OS doesn't move frames in a switch, it's just there for abstracting management of the actual ASIC(s)."

          That makes more sense, thought this was the OS routing the packets. Which Windows tends to do very well these days due to the fully modular network stack, and better native hardware integration - for instance TOE and RDMA support is a native part of the OS, not a bolt on.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Facepalm

            Re: Finally hired someone who knows good software

            Jesus

            RICHTO's in the the house.

            I had a feeling this thread would attract the attention of MS marketing/pr.

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      1. Anonymous Coward
        Mushroom

        @"paulstan"

        Why does e v e r y . s i n g l e . o n e . of your posts* end with a link to www.windocks.com? Are you trying to use El Reg to drive up traffic to a little www.windocks.com ad farm you're running?

        *with the exception of the ONE that was censored by El Reg (above) to remove the invariable www.windocks.com spam.

        PS. I just went through all your posts and pressed the "report abuse" button on each of them, on account of the brazen spamming. Hope you don't mind.

        1. asdf Silver badge

          Re: @"paulstan"

          >PS. I just went through all your posts and pressed the "report abuse" button on each of them, on account of the brazen spamming. Hope you don't mind.

          Good for you but did you have to give his/her shitty company more press by repeating its name multiple times? Would have given you an upvote otherwise.

    6. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      IT'S A TRICK

      They're going to do to Linux what they've done to Windows; ruin a good thing and remove all business and consumer interest.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Microsoft Linux" ?

    Sounds about as appetising as "Oracle Java".

    1. grumpyoldeyore
      Devil

      Re: "Microsoft Linux" ?

      Actually sounds as appealing as "Microsoft Java" . Windows extensions coming to systemd?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: "Microsoft Linux" ?

        Windows extensions coming to systemd?

        Oh my... The apocalypse is coming, after all.

        1. packrat

          Re: "Microsoft Linux" ?

          again. (stack code, nt.)

      2. boltar Silver badge

        Re: "Microsoft Linux" ?

        "Windows extensions coming to systemd?"

        Embrace and Extend! I'm wondering if Nadella thought "Why the f**k did we bin Xenix? Sort out a replacement!" and Azure is currently just the test platform :o)

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: "Microsoft Linux" ?

        > Windows extensions coming to systemd?

        Maybe systemd was an MS plot all along

        1. James 100

          Re: "Microsoft Linux" ?

          > Maybe systemd was an MS plot all along

          No - MS itself was an early systemd manifestation...

      4. jelabarre59 Silver badge

        Re: "Microsoft Linux" ?

        I thought Systemd *was* a MSWindows extension...

      5. oswdt

        Re: "Microsoft Linux" ?

        Systemd changed Microsoft's mind.

    2. Shadow Systems Silver badge

      Re: "Microsoft Linux" ?

      Or perhaps that stuff they sell from the rolling Roach Coaches & leave you glued to the WC for hours afterwards in a case of the Flaming Farts?

    3. Innocent-Bystander*

      Re: "Microsoft Linux" ?

      Just port office over to Linux, that's enough for me.

    4. Bob Vistakin
      Pint

      Re: "Microsoft Linux" ?

      Or even "Microsoft Zune", another typical microsoft catch-up "me too" failed experiment, fit only for posters on tech forums to mock by constructing fake names from.

    5. Nigel 11

      Re: "Microsoft Linux" ?

      They missed out Windows 9 and you wondered why. Now the fog is clearing. MS Windows 10. MS Windows X. MS X Windows? Coming to a desktop near you soon, in your dreams. Or nightmares.

    6. Stoneshop Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Re: "Microsoft Linux" ?

      It's going to be called Xenix ME.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What are they going to put on the case? redhat Inside

    1. Khaptain Silver badge

      RedmondHat Inside

      1. Archie Woodnuts

        What you did there.

        I see it.

      2. Tom 7 Silver badge

        RedmondHat Inside

        Sounds like a Dutch Cap.

        1. Daniel von Asmuth Bronze badge

          Re: RedmondHat Inside

          "focuses on feature development based on Microsoft priorities"

          What will that get us? Switches to make sure that Windows 10 Desktops will never loose their route to Redmond HQ so they can phone home?

      3. launcap Silver badge

        > RedmondHat Inside

        More likely Redcap inside..

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redcap

  4. Jack of Shadows Silver badge
    Happy

    It actually sense at the coding level. If you're building SDN across that many combinations, it's almost certain that Linux is your lingua franca. Unless you really are a complete masochist. Oh, that's right, Balmer's left the building so scratch the master Sadist from the list.

    1. Frank Rysanek

      Network switches have been running Linux-based firmware for ages

      Ethernet switches have been using Linux-based firmware on the inside for ages - especially the lesser known brands / switch vendors. Cisco traditionally had their own in-house IOS, but I seem to recall that some more modern IOS strains on some HW platforms are actually linux-based too... Other popular operating systems to use for firmware are the various BSD flavours and various RtOS'es (QNX, VxWorks and the like). The CPU cores used in switching hardware (= what actually runs the firmware code) are typically PowerPC, ARM, or MIPS - Linux supports all of them. If the Ethernet switch chipset makers provide some reference firmware platform, it will most likely be Linux. So if someone like Microsoft possibly decides to develop their own firmware for some 3rd-party OEM switch hardware, Linux is a very logical choice. That's where they're likely to get the best technical support, needed to bootstrap Linux on the management CPU core, and in terms of drivers and API's for the specific hardware (L2 switch matrices, L3+ accelerators, DMA engines, individual mac/phy blocks, various misc IO such as I2C/SPI/GPIO). But I still consider it a little unlikely that they're going all the way from bare metal (Linux from scratch). I would find it more natural if they took whatever reference firmware (Linux) the chipset maker has provided, and port the Microsoft's own user-space tools / API's to it, while possibly bugfixing and modifying the reference firmware a bit in the process.

      1. oolor
        Black Helicopters

        Hmm switches, NSA uses linux...

        [/end funnin']

        @Frank:

        Interesting you mentioned Cisco, but this was my first thought and the natural business target/opportunity.

  5. Jos V

    ACS?

    I think Amazon might have something to say about using the name ACS. "C" standing for cloud might even reinforce that opinion... No?

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