back to article Ashley Madison invites red-faced cheats to bolt stable door for free

Adulterous hook-up site Ashley Madison is allowing all members to fully delete their profiles without charge in the aftermath of a serious data breach that threatens the site' future. Previously, if users wanted to delete their records (profile, pictures and messages sent through the system) they were obliged to pay around $20 …

Do it!

There's a couple of people here in the office I have my suspicions about. I could do with a laugh.

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Re: Do it!

I could do with being reminded which disposable email account I used to signed up with them.

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Re: Do it!

HEHEHEHE judging by the thumbdowns there's more than just a couple.

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Re: Do it!

And which disposable credit card, with your disposable name, and your disposable billing address?

The name and address are disposable in the sense that you might wish to get a new one when you divorce and lose the house to your partner.

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Other sites

Did anybody catch the woman on Jeremy Vine today that boasted that her site, which catered for the same type of user Ashley Maddision has, charges £135 for 4 weeks - and also claimed to have 1 MEELLION members?

I'm off to build a website...

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Re: Other sites

Maybe it's a white label affiliate - I can't see someone taking £135M a month calling Jeremy Vine.

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Re: Other sites

Er no, as I'm not a collosal workshy worthless lazy dole scum I don't watch Jeremy Vine.

I'm at work, busy posting drivel on here.

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Re: Other sites

Are you thinking of Jeremy Kyle? Jeremy Vine hosts a Radio2 show IIRC.

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Re: Other sites

Funnely enough, I don't watch Jeremy Kyle either, and I'm at work too...

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Internet ... privacy?

Yet another nail in the coffin that anything is truly Private on the Internet.

If you put it out there, it can - and likely will - be stolen at some point.

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Wow

Good thing I'm happily married. I cannot imagine how much divorce lawyers, private investigators, Gawker and others are salivating over having that data released. Here in the US, our politicians have a pretty bad habit of using social media irresponsibly - a few are forced to quit over it; see the unfortunately-named Anthony Wiener. I'll bet more than a few Congresspersons will be on that list, as well as way more than a few executives of major corporations.

I have no idea how people keep an affair secret. Between my wife, 2 kids and a very hectic job, I can barely tread water in my own life let alone keep something like that under wraps!!

Maybe something like this will be the final lesson for people not to divulge their entire life on the Internet. Even cursory Facebook glances of potential job candidates reveal a lot about someone that you don't necessarily want to put out there. And, a lot of companies don't just do a cursory social media glance... My kids are still little, but I wonder if people will have wised up before I have to start telling them not to post drunk pictures on Instagram.

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Happy

I try not to make my life any harder than it has to be!

This is what I think. I have no issues with people carrying on with each other, it's their business. I just don't think I could ever handle an affair, just seems like too much trouble plus I can't lie to save my life! Ha ha! Getting up in the morning, getting to work, paying bills and running around dealing with daily life within in a marriage is hard enough, let alone trying to maintain an illicit affair on the side. No wonder people need a website to organise it!

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@ Erik4872

"our politicians have a pretty bad habit of using social media irresponsibly - a few are forced to quit over it; see the very-appropriately-named Anthony Wiener who is not only a dick himself but whose idea of courting a woman is to send her pictures of his dick..."

FFY.

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Re: Wow

I have no idea how people keep an affair secret.

Remembering the golden rule might help them - If you're having an affair with someone from work, then everybody at work knows you're chewing the company candy. I know some people will disagree with me, and think they're smart or discreet enough to get away with it, but trust me on this, everybody knows.

I'm happily married, so get to enjoy a nice guilt free sleep next to my Mrs. Reason, opposable thumbs, and mastery of our base urges are what seperates us from the animals.

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Please help!

Hi my name is Mrs Erik4872, can someone please delete my details asap, before they go public and before Mr Erik4872 gets back from his very hectic job?

(Note to self: check if this is the correct site to email)

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Re: Wow

> ...next to my Mrs. Reason

Took me a few attempts to realise that this is not your wife's second name.

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Re: I try not to make my life any harder than it has to be!

I have no sympathy for any of them, the filthy scum. I hope they all get outed. Having been on the receiving end of marital infidelity some years back, I know how it feels to find out your wife has been playing away from home. (Needless to say we divorced, I'm now remarried and extremely happy with life while she's lonely, single and full of regretful guilt. Ha!)

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Re: Wow

Private investigators don't want that data released. It'll allow divorce lawyers to not have to pay their fees. PIs get hired when there's a suspicion of adultery but no evidence.

The other people you forget to mention who'd love to see it out there are the tabloid journalists.

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but will they

Previously, if users wanted to delete their records (profile, pictures and messages sent through the system) they were obliged to pay around $20, but that money-spinner has been dropped in the aftermath of a hack that placed Ashley Madison's members in danger of exposure.

It's been widely reported (and by the crew who broke in as well) that while taking the $20 they actually did not delete data. So why should their users believe anything now - especially useless if the data is out in de wild so to speak.

While I have no sympathy with the slurpers, Ashley-Madison's business practices seem extremely dodgy - including fake 'contacts' - for which the morons (whoops users) actually paid to see.

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Re: but will they

I have no idea about US law, but under UK law the website operators would be legally obliged to hang onto the financial data of each member for six years or so, regardless of whether the user had asked for their records to be deleted. However, the financial transaction data would be fairly limited, and would only detail that User A paid the website $this_much on such and such a date, for website-based services.

There isn't actually any detail of how much data was leaked, or how much data the attacker(s) stole. I would honestly doubt that very much data could be lifted from such a company without alarms being raised; the business transactions databases and credit card databases would seem to be the prime target in such a raid, with the users' sexual preferences and so on being a much more secondary target.

The reasoning here is that whilst known-good credit card details have a ready market and a known going rate, blackmail material does not. Blackmailing people is difficult, intensive work and requires a near-psychopathic bastard to run it for best profit, with a high chance of the blackmailers getting caught either by law enforcement or by enraged adulterers. Furthermore, with photo-manipulation techniques being so prevalent these days, a supposed nude photo of some bloke doesn't have nearly the blackmail potential that it once had; all one needs to say is "That? Photoshopped, I'm much more handsome than that!" and bluff it out.

No, the reason so little data from the hack is getting published is that little data was actually taken.

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Re: but will they

under UK law the website operators would be legally obliged to hang onto the financial data of each member for six years or so

True enough, but said data could be kept in a tape safe where even the world's best crackers couldn't access it without first getting a tech to physically walk it over to a tape drive.

Furthermore, with photo-manipulation techniques being so prevalent these days, a supposed nude photo of some bloke doesn't have nearly the blackmail potential that it once had; all one needs to say is "That? Photoshopped, I'm much more handsome than that!" and bluff it out.

I actually had someone try to blackmail me with a photoshopped picture once. First I laughed at him and then my wife did. Funny thing about naked photos: our spouses know what we look like naked. Few other people do in most cases. Though I've gotta say I WISH I looked as good as his supposed picture of me did.

But I digress. My point is that if the photo's genuine then you're going to have a hard time explaining to your spouse how someone photoshopped it with the right skin tone and all the right proportions and distinguishing marks (tattoos, moles, birthmarks, whatever) in the right places.

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Re: but will they

of each member

LOL. You wrote member!

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Bolt for Free ?

It's a bit late late now, make a sentence out of these words:

Door, horse and bolted.

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Re: Bolt for Free ?

Horse bolted door?

That's about all that can be made...

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Re: Bolt for Free ?

Hoarded Blonde Torso

What do I win?

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Re: Bolt for Free ?

Horse bolted door?

Nope. The correct password is Correct Horse Battery Staple.

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Re: Bolt for Free ?

Brothels Rodeo Do beats Hoarded Blonde Torso, I reckon.

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Re: Bolt for Free ?

"It's a bit late late now, make a sentence out of these words:

Door, horse and bolted."

You forgot "staple" and "battery".

Perhaps AM used a high entropy password.

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FAIL

Asking nicely always works wonders

"Using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), our team has now successfully removed the all posts related to this incident as well as all Personally Identifiable Information (PII) about our users published online," ALN said in a statement.

Because that's exactly how the internet works.

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Re: Asking nicely always works wonders

I too had to read that a few times to see if they were trying to say what I thought they were... I then laughed...

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Re: Asking nicely always works wonders

""Using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), our team has now successfully removed the all posts related to this incident as well as all Personally Identifiable Information (PII) about our users published online,""

And the copies located on servers outside of the colonies where DMCA notices are just something to laugh at?

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Re: Asking nicely always works wonders

DMCA.... So you've shut down all the pages in the USA, and those outside of the USA who are bullied by misapplied US law.

I can't see any reason how that could have missed any...

When I have 5 minutes to waste I'll just confirm it's all gone for you...

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Re: Asking nicely always works wonders

Ah, random down vote... Shall I compare these to a summers day?

Well, in good old blighty, you're a hell of a lot more common than a summers day for a start!

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Re: Asking nicely always works wonders

and as we all know, one swallow does not a summer make. but it does make you smile! (well, every once in a blue moon now ive been going out with my fiancee for 10 years....could be worse, we could be married)

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Odd modus operandi

I wonder why they announced the theft. If they had kept schtum and just done the extortion bit on the punters they could have kept going for ages.

I predict a big upspend in security following this.

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Re: Odd modus operandi

There is a problem with blackmail - blackmail the wrong person, and you've had it. I bet that between the 37 million "customers", there will be a few dozen who have the talent, the knowledge and the tools to find out who is behind this, especially if given some financial help, a few dozen who can provide any amount of financial help, and a few dozen who would be capable and willing to remove some of the hackers permanently from the gene pool.

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Re: Odd modus operandi

This isn't a Hollywood movie and most people aren't cosy with Mafia types, so that's all rather a bit far fetched don't you think?

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Re: Odd modus operandi

Probably also a few customers calling ALM recommending they pay whatever is being asked...or threatening to find them...

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Re: Odd modus operandi

This isn't a Hollywood movie and most people aren't cosy with Mafia types, so that's all rather a bit far fetched don't you think?

This isn't Hollywood, this is the same Real Life that had the US physically invade Iraq and deliberately depose the existing government, because they didn't like the existing government. Is that how a sane and developed First World nation is supposed to act in Real Life when dealing with other sovereign nations?

Sometimes you really couldn't make this shit up, and depending on how much power some of these butthurt adulterous leches actually have (Congressmen maybe?), I would venture to suggest that some of the wacko suggestions about people getting offed because of this aren't actually as unlikely as some might think. Art imitates life, and absolute power corrupts absolutely...

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Re: Odd modus operandi

"This isn't a Hollywood movie and most people aren't cosy with Mafia types, so that's all rather a bit far fetched don't you think?" --- Amorous Cowherder

He did say "a few dozen" let's say 3 dozen - that's one in a million users might know (or indeed be) "someone useful" Doesn't seem too outrageous to me ...

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Re: Odd modus operandi

"This isn't a Hollywood movie

No, but it might be the anti-piracy fearfest before the movie...

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Re: Odd modus operandi

" there will be a few dozen who have the talent, the knowledge and the tools to find out who is behind this"

Sounds like a quote from a new "Taken" film...

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Reprehensible

Personally I dislike that sites like ALM exist. The fact that they're making money by helping people cheat on their spouses is pretty low. But I have an even lower opinion of the type of person who'd steal data and then use it to blackmail a business into shutting it's doors. Even if it's a business I personally find less than savory extortion is just plain reprehensible.

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Re: Reprehensible

I'm curious how you feel about trade sanctions etc etc

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Anonymous Coward

I recent light of so many security breaches; I wish someone would post more information about how they got hacked i.e. what o/s, service, or program. This information would be useful for other IT administrators to learn from.

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Re. Reprehensible

Blackmail, check!

Dirty cheating scumbag celebrities and other assorted high up banksters and suchlike (pretty likely), check!

Tabloid exposure for said cheating bottom feeders who deserve to have their sordid affairs made public.. check!

The hackers did the law abiding public a favour by putting the fear of $Deity into said cheating lowlife, who will be getting what they deserve very soon! Bwahahahaha....

(scuttles off to hide under a rock)

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DMCA - the magic shield

I love how they think removing a few forum posts via DMCA requests will somehow mitigate the damages. They present that as if it settles the incident for good. "Nothing to see here!"

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"It’s unthinkable for any business, especially one that runs on discretion and trust, to betray its customers’ confidentiality,"

ROFL!

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Wreckless

"This isn't a Hollywood movie and most people aren't cosy with Mafia types, so that's all rather a bit far fetched don't you think?"

Very few know gangsters. But, with 37 million customers, it's statistically likely that a few do. Not farfetched at all. And honestly, I think these particular hackers may have it coming to them. Don't get me wrong, it's greasy to use a site like Ashley Madison, but the blackmail these hackers are perpetrating is rather wreckless.

On a side note... 37 million? Really? That seems like rather a lot.

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