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Apple's Watch was slow to reach stores, needed a patch for the FREAK bug, has given users a nasty rash, sparked a lawsuit and may not be notably better than Android Wear, but none of those travails have stopped it from becoming the world's number one wearable. So say the folks at analyst outfit Canalys, who reckon Apple …

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Apples Results

Won't be out until Wall St has closed for the day. At least that's what http://9to5mac.com/2015/06/29/apple-schedules-q3-2015-earnings-call-livestream-for-july-21/

says.

That means 10pm for us here in Blighty.

Regarding the Apple Watch... Not seen one in the wild yet so as far a I'm concerned it rated a 'Meh' reaction but I won't be buying one no matter how great it might be. I just hate things on my wrist.

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Re: Apples Results

>>I just hate things on my wrist.

But would you like one off the wrist?

An Apple watch, obviously. What else were you thinking?

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Re: Not seen one in the wild yet

Two of my friends have one - from what I can tell, the only thing they use it for is a remote shutter for the camera.

And posting the results to social media to show everyone they have an iWatch, obviously.

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I've got one for my app development. Very simply if you buy it thinking it is something you go to to use, pass time, or for a source of entertainment, you will be disappointed. If you just put it on your wrist, try to forget it is there and wait for it to do what it does, then it's actually pretty good.

I do a lot of training, so the fitness tracking aspects are good. Being able to reply to messages easily whilst on the move is also good. Using Siri (for e.g. messages) when on the move is convenient (and being able to do that without problem whilst cycling has been a revelation). Controlling music/media is handy.

The thing I've been surprised about, is that being able to switch of sound on my phone as well as on the watch and get alerted to events with a tap on the wrist, a small thing but I like that a lot.

It's an incremental improvement in my connectedness that means my face is buried in my handset a bit less when I'm on the move, when I'm at a restaurant table and I'm less likely to miss the latrine if a message comes while I'm going to the loo in the pub - probably not worth £399 though - unless your the person next to me.

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Housemate has two of them, "meh" reaction is right. Think the main issue is related to how big the market for them really is. It's entirely possible that it might have been completely filled already.

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Re: Not seen one in the wild yet

>Two of my friends have one

Is that what they call a time-share?

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Not seen one either. Plenty of moto360 and Smartwatch 3. Loads of Xoami mii bands

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They need to fix the bugs

Just had to factory reset and restore from backup for a second time as mine lost connection to the iPhone again.

(I got the cheap one to see what it was like.)

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Re: They need to fix the bugs

Surely, you mean 'cheaper' one.

Even that's not cheap.

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Re: They need to fix the bugs

OK. Relatively speaking.

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Re: They need to fix the bugs

They do a cheap one? where?

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Re: They need to fix the bugs

My wife and I both got one in May. So far she's had to reset it once (touch screen became unresponsive) and I've never had to reset it. Strange that yours is having these connectivity issues. Maybe you fiddle with it a lot more than we do - we mostly let it be and use it as an activity tracker and notifier and occasionally to answer calls. Don't use any third-party apps.

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Re: They need to fix the bugs

... in other words,

"You're using it wrong"

FTFY

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"Surely, you mean 'cheaper' one."

No, it is a cheap one. He still paid a lot of money for it though.

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Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

Serious question ...

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

I do. I like to know the time, quite easy with a swift flick of the wrist and a pretty face (analogue).

My mother always used to keep her watch an hour fast so as not to be late, didn't work.

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

Partly because I always did.

But mostly I do as it lasts for years on one battery (in fact, mine also solar charges) so I can tell the time without having to keep charging my phone every day or two. That matters if you are in the middle on nowhere as far as power points are concerned. It is also "waterproof" (they say 50m depth but reality is a strong shower) and won't fall out of pockets, etc, depending on activities.

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@jake Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

jake,

who actually wears a watch, and why?

people who are not the same as you, I use it for checking the time!

Ymdv

Jay

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

I do. Glancing at my wrist is much quicker than fishing my phone out of my pocket.

And because I've been wearing a watch since long before mobile phones were a thing and it's a convenience I don't want to be rid of. The "phone as watch" thing is basically a regression to a particularly large, ugly and annoying form of pocket watch. Not for me.

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

Suspect you'd find you've a pretty good idea of the time even without a watch. The human brain seems to have an innate ability to make a reasonable approximation and assuming you've always got a phone on you there's an accurate source when you need precision.

Haven't felt the need for a watch in years and wearables haven't yet changed that for me.

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

For most people It's a piece of functional jewellery. I don't see the confusion.

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

I do. Often I can be doing things (woodwork, outdoors kind of things, hunting, or anything else where I'm covered in mud or grime) where getting a phone out is inconvenient, dangerous, or simply annoying.

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why? @jake

This question seems seriously out of character for you, Jake.

Normally, you come across as a very conservative, relatively backward-looking person, so as a result, it's quite a surprise to read it, unless you've either dropped out to the extent of living by the sun, or have a pocket watch!

Even though I carry my phone around with me, having a watch (a relatively simple one, time, date, chronograph, alarm and dual time zones) allows me to read the time with a relatively simple and consistent twist of the wrist, any time, day or night (I very rarely take my watch off except to make sure I don't scratch the wife when, oh - you know. This means that it's not been taken off for a while!)

If I had to rely on other devices around me, I would have to first of all remember where the closest clock is where I happen to be or get my phone out of it's belt holster and unlock it, and then hope that the home screen is showing, and has the correct time, as it comes on showing the time that it was locked, and then updates about a second later. I run with the status bars hidden on my computer screen (It's only 64 pixels of vertical space, but I want to use it for content), so I don't even see that unless I move the mouse.

And on top of that, I've been wearing a watch since I was about 10, so it's perfectly natural to me, and it would take some time to adapt to not wearing one.

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why? @jake

I wear a watch because you don't pull your phone out for everyone to see in Middlesbrough, so when i want to know the time old faithful will do the job

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

I do. Why? To get the time.

(Bonus Q&As: Could I get the time from my phone/tablet/computer? Yes. So could I get away without wearing a watch? Yes.)

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

I think the world consists of people who don't wear a watch, and cannot conceive that anyone else would, and people who do wear a watch, and cannot conceive that anyone else wouldn't, actually.

I think techies tend more to be the second category (I haven't worn a watch in decades), but that smart watches are more easy to sell to the second category. Which means they are possibly easier to sell to non-techies. However, techies are more likely to be early adopters,, making it an interesting challenge.

I have several times heard people say that a watch is an easier sell than Google Glass or other smart glasses, because people are used to wearing something on their wrist all the time, but smart glasses are something extra to wear. I find this a little strange - I don't wear a watch but I do wear glasses - but I have to believe that there are a lot of people like that.

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

Me.

A nice watch looks good on your wrist. And it tells you the time in an instant.

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

I wear mine but it's no quicker than any other time-telling method.

It's a wind-up model, 1980's cold-war model from USSR sent to some of the 'liquidators' who were first on the ground to try to contain the Chernobyl incident. I figure as a bit of living history it's important, and as a reminder that people might do heroic things, even unwillingly, and a reminder to find the better part of myself when I see it.

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>I think the world consists of people who don't wear a watch, and cannot conceive that anyone else would, and people who do wear a watch, and cannot conceive that anyone else wouldn't, actually.

I disagree. I think the divide is "people who don't wear a watch and cannot conceive that anyone else would" and "people who do wear a watch".

I don't much care if you prefer to go for the pocketwatch phone option. That's your business. My watch is my business and you don't get to criticize it.

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

I wear a watch. It very useful for telling the time, quickly with very little fuss (like charging). That is all.

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@ Peter Gathercole (was: Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why? @jake)

"unless you've either dropped out to the extent of living by the sun"

Exactly. Since the late 1980s. The critters tell me when it's time to be a farmer. The closest thing to a clock that I need (for the most part) is if the shadow is getting smaller, it's morning. If it's getting longer, it's afternoon. I'm usually pretty accurate +/- 5 minutes Zulu. I don't have time for idiots who insist on more precise timing, day to day ... People who constantly look at their wrist tend to be tedious.

That said, the computers are all synced to ntp.org ;-)

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

I do - but then its a simple Swatch watch and battery has been going on for nearly 3 years now. Its also water/dust/shock so its never off the wrist - not even at night.

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

Last one I wore was about 15 years ago now. I bought a Swatch at an airport somewhere, wore it for about 6 months. One day I stopped wearing it for some reason and never wore another again. There's always clocks everywhere, clock on the phone, clocks on buildings, on train notice boards and even when I'm out with my camera, there's a clock on that too. I can see that watches are very useful but I've personally not found a reason to wear one in the last few years.

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

Not me. I used to be obsessive about the time. Constantly glancing at it every minute or so, for no good reason at all. Then one day in 1982 I was using the stopwatch function to time some film development and drop the thing into a bowl of photographic fixer. It never worked after that, and I never replaced it.

Knowing the time at any instant can never make you early for an appointment you either are or your not. It depends on when you started out. Other than appointments you rarely need accurate time. 30 minutes either way is good enough. We have become slaves to some clockwork cycles, that isn't how humans should be living, and it causes stress.

Besides everything around you has a time function, the camera, the DT computer, your mp3 player, the oven, the fridge, the video player, the car dashboard has at least two, the GPS ...

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

I wear a watch because I was given one for 15 years of not-being-fired. Sentimental value.

It turned out to be quite an expensive one, with a perpetual battery charged by a solar cell behind the face, and the "atomic clock" function that uses the local standard time signal to set it every night at 2am. It's also smart enough to do DST.

So basically I will never need to set it (unless I change timezones) or change the battery.

Plus it's got an aviation theme (Blue Angels Skyhawk chronograph, with the Blue Angels logo on the back) and I'm a space/plane nut, so I like it.

Plus after wearing nasty Casios in high school and hating the feel of them, it's actually a comfortable band that fits for the first time in 40 years.

Sad Fact: I wasn't able to read the time off the face for a YEAR. I had to cheat by looking at the little digital display. Very sad.

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why? @jake

...a watch (a relatively simple one, time, date, chronograph, alarm and dual time zones)...

What would you call a complex watch?

Mine tells the time, and looks nice. Which is all I need.

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Re: @ Peter Gathercole (was: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why? @jake)

@Jake ". I don't have time for idiots who insist on more precise timing, day to day ... People who constantly look at their wrist tend to be tedious."

Now that's the Jake we all know and don't love. Criticising others in the most odious manner just because they differ in some trivial way from your own opinion or behaviour. Very boorish.

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

I have a Pebble (the old black and white one).

I wear it because if you are seen with an expensive item (such as a phone) in some of the places I travel through, you are likely to be attacked.

The Pebble enables me to see the time, and notifications from my phone while I keep the phone securely elsewhere.

Not sure I'd feel the same way about an Apple Watch though..

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

I wear a normal watch. It takes me barely a second to flick my wrist around to see the time. Far, far easier than rummaging around in my pocket for my phone, pulling it out, waking it up etc. etc.

I think a smart watch might be pushing it a bit though...

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

I find it much quicker to look at my watch (Casio G-Shock), it has multi time zones for travelling but best of all, my boss can't 'phone me on it!

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

I wear a watch because it's useful for double checking my decompression stop after I've been at a depth of 30 m for a while. Sure, the dive computer makes it redundant unless there's a failure.

Besides, if I'm stuck in a conversation with a long winded bore it's only a quick flick of the wrist and an "oh! I'm sorry, time really does flash by. I've got to rush off and pick up a package of sporks to stab in my ears and hopefully perforate my eardrums." As I smartly shuffle off I usually hear them list their four or five favorite recaleminder apps that I should try.

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why? @jake

>>allows me to read the time with a relatively simple and consistent twist of the wrist, any time, day or night

Have you seen a professional to talk about your obsession with time?

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why? @jake

I said relatively.

It's a dual digital/analogue watch, so the 'extras' are not so special for a digital watch. It looks like an analogue watch with a simple digital display (6 characters plus a couple of indicators) set as the face.

Complex is an Apple Watch or an Android, or something with lots of dials, big obtrusive buttons, more than two timezones or multiple timers/alarms, or pulse/blood pressure monitors.

Yours is a very simple one. Only to be more simple if it doesn't even have a sweep second hand.

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Re: @ Peter Gathercole (was: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why? @jake)

Jesus wept.

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

Jake - I tried asking that question before with the same basic voting results %.

He did say "Serious question ...", you down-voting *nutters!

My simple (to me) explanation is that alot of people have developed a Stockholm syndrome with *time. It explains every person who down-voted you.

"...because people are used to wearing something on their wrist all the time, but smart glasses are something extra to wear." It must be a British thing. (certainly not seen here in the US). Or, perhaps, an Apple investor thing.<snicker>

BTW, dogged. Yes, I do get to criticize anything I want. That's why we are here. Handle it!

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Re: Who actually wears a watch anymore? And why?

Amorous Cowherder.

You have clearly never been in the centre of Perth (Scotland).

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@Frank Bough

It's all relative, and electronic watches can have all of these features without becoming complex. They're commodity items now. Standard quartz movement plus one chip, a display and a battery in a case. Not complex in this day and age. Most mechanical watches are far more complex than any with a quartz movement, and designer analogue watches, while beautiful to look at, are often so stylized to be deliberately complex, for no real benefit in function.

I wonder how many of the readers here have Breitling, Tag Heuer, Rolex or other luxury or artisan watches that make my 12 year old £40 Sekonda or my £25 Zeon tech backup look positively ordinary!

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Re: @Frank Bough

> I wonder how many of the readers here have Breitling, Tag Heuer, Rolex or other luxury or artisan watches that make my 12 year old £40 Sekonda or my £25 Zeon tech backup look positively ordinary!

Well, I've got my dad's Jaeger leCoultre but that's 60 years old and probably makes your Sekonda look like rocket science.

Nice watch, though. Never loses time.

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Big fish in a small pond

Apart from fitness/health types I've yet to see a compelling use-case for wrist-jobs. I think that beyond new-shiny-shiny tech lust there is little long-term attraction at present.

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Expectations

Not that many years ago, if a Microsoft product didn't have a over 90% market share it was considered a bit of a flop.

Maybe the same is happening to Apple now.

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