back to article RAF Eurofighter gets a Battle of Britain makeover

The RAF is commemorating this year's 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain with a fetching makeover for one of its Eurofighter Typhoons, repainted with the markings of 249 Squadron's Flight Lieutenant James Brindley Nicolson VC DFC. Flight Lieutenant James Brindley Nicolson VC Flight Lieutenant James Brindley Nicolson VC …

I wonder what Nicholson would make of the idea of having carriers without any planes to land on them?

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That should be 'Nicolson' of course, but unfortunately I don't seem to have the option of correcting it.

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As an Air Force guy, he would probably think it is some sort of Navy eccentricity dating from the days of Nelson.

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'F*ck the Fleet Air Arm, RAF rules' ?

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Looks good.

Much better than the nondescript grey that looks like primer. But then I don't suppose aesthetics come into it really.

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The colours are designed to make them more difficult to spot by the naked eye. But they are bland, you're right.

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I agree

I agree with you fully...

Anyone know why they paint them boring grey now? Is it so they blend in with the sky over england?

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They'll be painting them purple and yellow before long and have them on border patrol duty.

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"They'll be painting them purple and yellow before long"

I assume you mean the Hurricanes? UKIP will want to send the Eurofighters back where they came from.

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Aircraft camo is designed as much to hide them when they are on the ground as in the air, so boring grey is a suitable colour then they are parked on concrete.

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Soon the camo will be slightly red at the front and slightly blue at the back to compensate for the blue/red-shift when accelerating ;)

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> boring grey is a suitable colour then they are parked on concrete.

Why don't they just paint a load of planes on the tarmac? Perfect camo!

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Re: "They'll be painting them purple and yellow before long"

"UKIP will want to send the Eurofighters back where they came from."

you mean Preston?.......

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" Is it so they blend in with the sky over england?"

in a word......yes

even a C-17 vanishes from view remarkably quickly after takeoff if painted matt grey

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Interesting that the leading edges / nose are left grey... #iwonderwhy

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Re: > boring grey is a suitable colour then they are parked on concrete.

At some point they used to paint weird shadows on the ground in nevada in an attempt to confuse the soviets analysing IR satellite images

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Re: > boring grey is a suitable colour then they are parked on concrete.

They *said* that the weird shadows in Nevada were made from paint...

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'Interesting that the leading edges / nose are left grey... #iwonderwhy'

The nose cone at least needs to have a radar transparent paint on otherwise the returning wigglies might not got back to the antenna. Presumably they don't stock one in an appropriate colour so it stayed grey.

The leading edges may also be coated in some sort of special paint that affects radar wigglies...

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Re: > boring grey is a suitable colour then they are parked on concrete.

And two weeks later, amanfrommars began posting on El Reg. forums...

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Re: "They'll be painting them purple and yellow before long"

My father's house was just round the corner and we used to see the test fighters as they flew out over the bay. The sound used to mean that he didn't have to shovel the sand out of the eaves, the vibrations did that for him.

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Is there a high resolution version of that second photo anywhere?

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Yes - any chance of higher (desktop) quality pretty pretty please?

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Sorry chaps, that's the biggest version we could get.

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Five minutes of internets sleuthing..

... brings up the photographer as Mr Richard Paver, with a higher res version on PinInterest. I don't know how that works having never used it... So try this (all rights remain with copyright owner, your mileage may vary, never operate heavy machinery when drowsy, see a Dr if pain persists)

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/8a/1c/e3/8a1ce31be1aed1f6507dbf9a8359c019.jpg

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Using Google to search for similar images turns up a 3500 x 2333 version of the image on the Aviation Week site at the following url:

http://aviationweek.com/site-files/aviationweek.com/files/gallery_images/PAV_9849_30388v2.jpg?1432225418

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@Clive Summerfield Thank you Clive that is a fantastic picture.

See title

:)

AF

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Thank you Clive!

Needless to say, when you look at the gorgeous original shot, all the "evidence" of photoshop are revealed to be nothing more than Lester over compressing his JPEG...

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"Over compressing his JPEG"

I know. The doctor's warned me about this. Last time I overdid it I was on tablets for a month.

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Call that an answer??? We expect you to get back up there with your LG G4 and take another snap!

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Clive-sleuth + retina display = jaw-dropping desktop

Wow, thanks!

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Thanks to both of you!

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Smegging beautiful, that is. Thank you.

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Absolutely brilliant!

They look so much better in this colour scheme.

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eh?

Would a jet be allowed to pass that close to a prop aircraft?

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It looks to me like the hurricane might have been Photoshopped in - there's a slight fringe and the distortion of the ground due to the exhaust behind the jet aircraft would be hard to fake convincingly. Although having looked at the other image linked to in a comment above, the two pictures must have been taken within a fraction of a second of each other, so... I have to conclude it's genuine. Must have been quite a close one.

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> It looks to me like the hurricane might have been Photoshopped in...

I hate it when people jump to that conclusion. It massively devalues what you are looking at, and dismisses any interesting questions raised, or any amazement at the photo, simply because you personally don't know a great deal about photography or the subject matter.

There is no reason to think this isn't a legit photo. It was taken with a telephoto lens, from another plane. Long lenses have the effect of appearing to "compress" subjects together, making it hard to tell how far apart they actually are.

Very likely there's one or two wingspans between the aircraft, and the Eurofighter is also significantly behind the Hurricane.

Note that I'm not saying it is, definitely, a real photo, but just that jumping to the conclusion it isn't, without any evidence, is premature and pointless.

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Stall speed of the Eurofighter is around 110 knots, the top speed of the Hurricane is a smidgeon under 300 knots, so they could fly alongside each other, with the prop engined plane slightly in front so as to avoid the wash of the jet.

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I've then gone on to evaluate if it was or not, and concluded that it's genuine and plausible. It's also a heck of a photograph (or several!) and hats off to the photographer.

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Typhoon leading edge slats deployed and pitched up, suggests certainly pretty slow if in level flight (assumed for photo). Camera ship speed might be the limiting factor.

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The Eurofighter Typhoon is 16 metres long, whereas the Hurricane is a bit over 9 metres. In that picture they look to be almost identical in length so I reckon that the Typhoon is almost as far behind the Hurricane as the distance between the photographer and the Hurricane. Probably a huge incorrect assumption there though, which I'm sure someone will pick up...

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*both* pilots looking at the camera as well...

That's an impressive photograph...

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"Stall speed of the Eurofighter is around 110 knots, the top speed of the Hurricane is a smidgeon under 300 knots, so they could fly alongside each other, with the prop engined plane slightly in front so as to avoid the wash of the jet."

And indeed I've watched them fly just such a formation at RAF Leuchars with the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight (including the Lancaster).

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The slower it flys the higher the angle of attack must be to keep sufficient airflow over the wings as they are low camber/low drag type airfoils which aren't terribly suited to low speed flight so the high angle of attack on the Typhoon is also a giveaway that it is flying much slower than standard cruise, presumably to keep pace with the Hurricane. Something most photoshopers would not take into account.

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From following the subject on Twitter there's been quite a bit of formation practice going on for the upcoming airshow season. Mainly this Typhoon and BBMF Spitfires, but they also managed to get a Hurri shot in too.

Just hope they come up to Prestwick in September, didn't look like it last time I checked tho...

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Yup looks like the Typhoon is almost balancing on the thrust flaps down etc to keep pace with the old Hurricane.

Good picture however they did it.

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The ratio of the distances between of 2 objects, that appear to be of the same size, to the photographer is the same as the ratio of the sizes of the objects (15,9m/9.8m). To calculate the actual distance, you have to take into consideration the focal length, which in this case is 85mm if the EXIF data on the image is correct (the one linked by another poster). The object size on sensor / focal length = real size of the object / distance. Plugging in a very rough 20.5mm for the object size (2000 pixels of 3500, assuming only a resize and no cropping here) the respective distances are 40m for the hurricane and 66m for the typhoon (given that both are at a different angle it is not easy to calculate the object size of image, hence the very rough 2000pixels). For instance, The same values plugged into a 500mm lens would result in distances of 239m and 388m respectively (and have no way in hell of getting the background as sharp as it is at f7.1).

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'*both* pilots looking at the camera as well...'

Probably both looking at the aircraft the camera is on so they can maintain formation with it...

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Secret Technology

What devious weapon requires a tank full of gravity?

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It's required to prevent the aeroplane floating off into space, obviously.

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I balked at that as well.

A gravity tank ? Why is this included in planes at all ?

Wouldn't the absence of a gravity tank make a plane a lot easier to lift from the ground and propel through the air ?

And could someone please give the name of the genius who managed to put gravity in a tank ?

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