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Slinking away early from yet another works leaving party this week, I was reminded with some regret that I will never get one of my own. All those nice words spoken, all those pats on the back, all those clinking glasses of pub house wine. How lovely it must be to be surrounded by so many faithful colleagues celebrating the fact …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Memory for names

    I once worked with a brilliant guy - PhD physicist who had worked in academia and industry - who simply could not remember names. However, a bigger problem was that he never got military ranks, a handicap on MoD projects.

    What I learnt from this is that majors addressed as sergeant find it amusing, sergeants addressed as major feel insulted.

    1. Proud Father
      Facepalm

      Re: Memory for names

      >> sergeants addressed as major feel insulted.

      Don't call me Sir, I work for a living!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Thumb Up

        Re: Memory for names

        Don't call me Sir, I work for a living! My Mother taught me that one when I was little, been using it ever since. She's also ex-Navy.

    2. Graham Dawson Silver badge

      Re: Memory for names

      I suspect they invented the title of Sergeant Major just to troll people like him.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Happy

      Re: Memory for names

      I've always had a shocking memory for names.

      About half my working life in the UK was as a freelance with about 100ish clients most of which were very small outfits but kept me busy for 60-70 hours per week. Come the Xmas piss up season I'd bump into most of them at various trade parties along with many other freelances that I'd occasionally work with. As a name-forgetter it was a nightmare. Eventually I figured out a method of avoiding social embarrassment.

      Some total stranger would approach and say "Hey, Mr Coat, haven't seen you since that Merc production. How are you?" This person was probably a production assistant that made me a coffee on a half-day gig some 11 months earlier and I'm supposed to remember their name.

      To avoid looking like a twat I'd just say "I'm good, thanks. Remind again me what your name is". They'd reply "Jim" or whatever so I'd say "I know your first name's Jim. How could I forget that when we had such a laugh on that gig? It's your second name I can't recall. I'm terrible with second names". The coffee-bringer then tells you their second name.

      In a couple of seconds you've gone from socially incompetent tool to having their first and last names and restored your reputation as that nice freelance with the great social skills.

      1. 's water music

        Re: Memory for names

        In a couple of seconds you've gone from socially incompetent tool to having their first and last names and restored your reputation as that nice freelance with the great social skills.

        Either that or you've gone to 'that manipulative sociopath who is too narcissistic to think that anyone wouldn't see through that old chestnut'. I sympathise though. I am crap at recognising faces and am forced to rely on proxies such as distinctive jewelry or clothing. If the wheels come off I fall back on self-deprecating humour to mitigate any offence.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Memory for names

          Personally I took the path of developing conversational skills that completely alleviate the necessity of remembering a person's name.

          Unfortunately my wife is a bitch with a twisted sense of humour. At a halloween party surrounded by about 30-40 colleagues (most of whom I'd worked with for at least 2 years) I was chatting in a small group of half a dozen people when my wife chimes in "aren't you going to introduce me", gesturing towards a young lady with whom I had sat opposite for a year and a half.

          I know her name, I knew her name - just not at that particular moment in time. I recalled it later when I was making my wife a cup of tea*

          *with added flavouring >:)

    4. Geoff Campbell Silver badge

      Re: Memory for names

      Funny you should say that, my very first thought on reading this article was "Don't *ever* get a gig in the MoD".

      Not only is the rank thing a real problem, but the whole organisation works on nicknames, with different social groups using different nicknames for the same person, and everyone in the whole world-wide setup knowing each and every one of these nicknames. Within a week I was a gibbering wreck, hiding under the desk whenever anyone came into the office.

      Which, actually, worked out pretty well. Who knew?

      GJC

    5. Tim99 Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Memory for names

      I now live in Australia - It's easy (Monty Python).

    6. Arctic fox
      Happy

      @ Arnaut the less: My late father found himself stationed in the Canal Zone.......

      .........in the Middle East circa 1947. He arrived at HQ just in time to witness the following exchange between the RSM of the regiment and a (very) foolish young subbie who had protested against some criticism that the "Reggie" had subjected him to. "But, but, Sergeant Major" .... "Pardon, you addressed me as Sergeant Major?. Let me make something very clear to you young man, I address you as "Sir" and you address me as "Sir". The difference is that you better fucking well mean it!"

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    You go to starbucks for your 'coffee'? I want you stand in the corner and think long and hard about what you're doing.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      There are times when Starbucks is the best choice

      When the other option is 'US Interstate Gas Station' Coffee. All I can say about it is that is it wet and warm.

      What gripes me about Starbucks is that you could be the only customer yet they still want to write your name on the container. WTF is that all about?

      {writing this whilst having brekkie in a 24hr diner in Cheyenne, Wy just off I-80 and the coffee is just about ok}

      1. Cliff

        Re: There are times when Starbucks is the best choice

        What it's about is corporate palliness because some poll showed that customer retention increases x% if staff use the customers names. In America. I can't speak for America (probably very similar, Americans aren't stupid) but in Europe it feels invasive, creepy and insincere.

        What it's not for is identifying whose frothycapudoodah is whose as it's hardly challenging for staff in any other cafeteria to manage day in, day out, without faux camaraderie.

        1. imanidiot Silver badge

          Re: There are times when Starbucks is the best choice

          "but in Europe it feels invasive, creepy and insincere"

          IMHO that pretty much describes the entire American service industry.

        2. Tom 38

          Re: There are times when Starbucks is the best choice

          customer retention increases x% if staff use the customers names. In America. I can't speak for America (probably very similar, Americans aren't stupid) but in Europe it feels invasive, creepy and insincere.

          I don't drink the black stuff, but I do buy a sandwich each day. I couldn't give a fuck if the people serving me remember my name (and I'm certainly not telling them), but I do like it when they remember enough that I like the mayonnaise on the bottom slice, then the chicken, bit of bacon on top and then the salad without me having to tell them every day.

          I'd probably start going to a different store if they started asking my name...

        3. Kubla Cant

          Re: There are times when Starbucks is the best choice

          What it's not for is identifying whose frothycapudoodah is whose

          I think it probably is. Starbuck's is notable for the fact that, however many servers are behind the counter, it takes them so long to make a cup of "coffee" that you have to mill around with a mob of 20 people waiting for their drinks.

          The other thing it's notable for is that nobody's job description includes clearing and cleaning the tables, so you have to eat and drink in a midden of dirty dishes and spillage.

  3. Alan Sharkey

    I thought it was just me that could never remember names. Maybe it's a prerequisite for working in IT?

    Alan (or AL if it makes it easier)

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Same with me, Gerry.

    2. Martin Summers Silver badge

      Could be worse, try working at Cheers.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I knew someone who was so far beyond hopeless with names and was fully aware of this fact that he voluntarily called everyone Charlie. This was in a retail store and before long, half the staff were responding to Charlie as well as their own names.

      1. G.Y.

        I knew a guy who called everyone Giovanni ; he ended up being (nick)named Giovanni

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I used to be good with girl's names. But I'm hopeless with dates.

      Nowadays every day's a CRAFT day.

      (can't remember a fucking thing)

      1. Cliff

        Working in the movies...

        Some jobs are only ever a bunch of strangers working together for short periods. Thesps don't call people 'darling' through genuine affection, they do it because between personal, stage, nick and character names, it's just easier.

        1. Neil Barnes Silver badge
          Pint

          Re: Working in the movies...

          I have known some colleagues for over thirty years, spoken to them daily, remembered their names... and forgotten them the minute one or another of us has changed department. I have difficulty even with household names (e.g. news reporters and presenters that I worked with for years). On the other hand, I can remember the pinouts for chips that I used twenty-five years ago...

          While working in the United Nations building in New York (as you do) I bumped into John Prescott - whom I had last spoken to at least ten years previously in a different bit of the BBC entirely. "Eyup Neil, how's it going?" as soon as he clapped eyes on me.

          I guess that's why I'm an engineer and he's a politician.

          So a beer to all my old colleagues whom I have cut, ignored, slighted, or otherwise offended by not know knowing their names. It's not my fault, honest! I still recognise your faces.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Working in the movies...

            Working with two social workers at university, by the end of the first week they knew by name 200 adolescent students.

            My self, I lived in a shared house with 9 other people, and it was 6-8 weeks before I got the names of the people I was actually living with.

          2. Alistair Dabbs

            Re: Working in the movies...

            >> Eyup Neil

            I think you'll find that he was asking you to "kneel".

      2. Captain DaFt

        "Nowadays every day's a CRAFT day.

        (can't remember a fucking thing)"

        Or, as I tell people, I have chronic CRS. (Can't Remember Shit)

        1. PJF

          Or, as I tell people, I have chronic CRS. (Can't Remember Shit)

          OR Can't Repair S...

          USAF - CRS= Component Repair Squadron

          (Me, OTOH, was CES - Clean Everyone's S.. [Civil Engineering Squadron])

    5. Geoff Campbell Silver badge

      Yup.

      I reckon it is. Although bizarrely, your's is one of the few I have remembered, having met you once in about 1991. Funny ol' game.

      GJC

    6. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Now picture someone who can't remember names and is blind to ranks. Serving in either the military or a large enterprise. That's me. The former accepted the weird but hyper-competant, and name tags on uniforms helped a lot! The latter wouldn't keep me past probation.

    7. wayne 8

      Everybody knows my name, if only I knew who they were.

      "Who are you and why do you know my name?" is left unsaid.

  4. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Paris Hilton

    Being self-employed, this means I would have tell myself to go fuck myself and that I should stick my job up my own arse.

    Instead of an epic leaving party, you get a peptic one?

  5. Nigel Whitfield.

    Xmas is your friend

    This is why I save my casual sex for the holiday season. If you can't remember their name the next morning, just take a crafty peek at their cards.

    1. Martin Summers Silver badge

      Re: Xmas is your friend

      Well you know what they say about not looking at the mantlepiece whilst stoking the fire, but you are perhaps much more fortunate!

    2. Alistair Dabbs

      Re: Xmas is your friend

      Then you can greet her in the morning with: "So, how was it for you, Grandma?"

      1. Martin Summers Silver badge

        Re: Xmas is your friend

        "So, how was it for you, Grandma?"

        I'm so glad it's been a while since I last ate.

      2. swampdog

        Re: Xmas is your friend

        ..or..

        http://homepage.ntlworld.com/swampdog/pub/parrot.avi

  6. 9Rune5

    I feel your pain

    I have held down my current job for over six years now. Unlike Alistair (sp?) I do remember my colleagues' names. Mostly. Three of my female colleagues had taken a maternity leave at the time I joined the company. When they returned I knew all their names but I am completely unable to make a 1:1 match. Meaning I will get each of their names right given three tries or so. I've mentioned this to one or two other colleagues and they too seem to struggle naming these three women. Not a huge problem as they are already spoken for (and so am I), so there. Maybe I would have made more of an effort if things weren't so, but then again maybe not.

    But: The mobile phone is an invention from hell (or Finland). The poor audio quality means I only manage to catch the caller's name 20% of the time. I recently had a phone conversation where I was trying to set up a skype call with the caller... The amount of relief was quite tangible once we had sorted out my skype id and we could establish a higher quality connection (I should have simply SMSes him my skype id, but I wasn't sure he would manage).

  7. Martin Summers Silver badge

    Redundancy?

    Never mind quitting, you should enquire with yourself as to what redundancy package you would give yourself. You might find yourself to be quite generous. Of course if you decided to make yourself redundant then you'd be obliged to hold a consultation with yourself. Which would be somewhat awkward I'd imagine.

    1. Warm Braw

      I do remember a while back having to consult with myself about whether to set up a workplace pension scheme and, in the event of doing so, how the contributions might be divided between employer and employee. I just got a headache.

      Mind you, it sounds like that can be a handy thing to have if you're about to run into Nigel over Christmas...

      1. Martin Summers Silver badge

        Someone I know employed by a small Web design firm has just had to start wearing a post it saying "Paid for by European funding". Government rules eh...

        1. Alistair Dabbs

          >> Paid for by European funding

          Before the London Olympics, I tried to submit my expertise through the government's standard bidding process. I stumbled over the question that asked me whether my company had drawn up an equality and inclusion policy and distributed it to all my employees. Being self-employed, honest and an idiot, I ticked "No", whereupon I was booted out of the bidding process without further warning.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: >> Paid for by European funding

            "whether my company had drawn up an equality and inclusion policy and distributed it to all my employees..."

            Yes, here's mine:

            n/a

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: >> Paid for by European funding

            "I stumbled over the question that asked me whether my company had drawn up an equality and inclusion policy and distributed it to all my employees."

            Every one of your employees had a copy, so where was the problem in ticking the "yes" box? The policy could consist of the words "We adopt best practice in equality and inclusion for all our employees and subcontractors", sign, date, job done.

            (I'm reminded of the story of Alan Turing in WW2 joining the Home Guard and then deciding to leave. He was told he couldn't and was under military law, whereupon he pointed to the bit of the form where it said, in effect, "I understand that I am under military law" and he had written "No." Of course nobody ever read the forms...so he was in the clear.)

    2. the spectacularly refined chap

      Re: Redundancy?

      Of course if you decided to make yourself redundant then you'd be obliged to hold a consultation with yourself. Which would be somewhat awkward I'd imagine.

      This may be tongue in cheek but it is the legal reality. If you ever set up a limited company you have to have an AGM every year with all the directors there and all shareholders invited. For a single person company that gives you a roll call of one. However the AGM still has to be held and minutes still have to be taken. Certain business operations can only be done following a vote at the AGM.

      OTOH it does provide an excuse to spend a fortune on crap snack food. You justify it to the missus with your director's hat on, in that you have to provide nice nibbles for the shareholders at the AGM.

    3. PNGuinn
      Coat

      @ Martin Summers Re: Redundancy?

      "...then you'd be obliged to hold a consultation with yourself. Which would be somewhat awkward I'd imagine..."

      Even more so if you couldn't remember your own name.....

      John Cleese could make a superb sketch out of that.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Desk name plate and worn name ID for all

    Problem solved

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Desk name plate and worn name ID for all

      People often wear their RFID identification card in a holder on a lanyard round their neck. Some of them put the card in the holder by bringing it up to eye level so they can see the guides. That makes the card upside down for anyone meeting them. Still - reading text upside down is a prerequisite skill when being nosey about what's on your boss's desk.

      1. John 110

        Re: Desk name plate and worn name ID for all

        In the NHS all Lab coats and nurses uniforms have the names on them. For the ladies it's on the chestal area. You spend your day trying to remember names and eventually being forced to try and read what on their left... well I'm sure you get the picture...

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