back to article Blighty's 12-sided quid to feature schoolboy's posterior

A 15-year-old West Midlands lad has won the public competition to design the tails side of the forthcoming 12-sided British pound coin, the Royal Mint has announced. David Pearce's rose, leek, thistle and shamrock ensemble triumphed over 6,000 rival entries for the honour to grace the decidedly retro polygonal quid, which pays …

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ISIS?

They've infiltrated the Mint!

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Gills!

See, the queen really is an alien!

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Re: Gills!

Jesus! He was right all along...

Probably salamanders rather than lizards but that's close enough for me!

Come back David Icke, we can see it now!

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This is a lovely story

The kid may not get a royalty, but by goodness it's a great opener for every interview he goes to hereafter. 'Have you brought any samples of your work?' 'Why actually, dig in your pocket'.

Overdue, I see so many hooky £1 coins and just pass 'em along as people losing faith in the currency is a bigger problem than one coin from every 40 being a pup.

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Re: This is a lovely story

1 in 40? not sure where you get your figures from but in a job where I get through between £400 and £700 in pound coins per day I expect to find about 1 in 6

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Overdue, I see so many hooky £1 coins and just pass 'em along as people losing faith in the currency is a bigger problem ...

I suspect that even if every single £1 coin was a fake, the damage would be negligible compared to HMG's efforts, generally referred to as "QE". And yet, faith is not being destroyed!

(Total value of coin in circulation in the UK: a mere 4 billion quid or thereabouts. Excluding the fakes, of course. )

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Either you're lucky, unlucky, or very bad/over vigilant at spotting fakes! Royal Mint is a pretty good source to cite...

http://www.royalmint.com/discover/uk-coins/counterfeit-one-pound-coins.

I was using old data, 2.5%, where the current figure is 3%. Hope this helps :)

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Re: This is a lovely story

Are there any metal-bashing shops in your area. If so maybe that's what they're bashing out.

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You deal with some dodgy customers (or dealers if the coins are as change)

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Homage to the old 'Thrupenny Bit'...

... with the same purchasing power in real money terms.

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Re: Homage to the old 'Thrupenny Bit'...

Not sure of the rhyming slang for the new coin. . .

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Re: Homage to the old 'Thrupenny Bit'...

Not sure of the rhyming slang for the new coin. . .

Not rhyming, but it'll remain a "Thatcher" to me. (Thick, Brassy, Rough round the edges, and trying to be a Sovereign ...)

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Re: Homage to the old 'Thrupenny Bit'...

I wonder how the sizes compare .... would be quite nostalgic to see 'em back in circulation

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Re: Homage to the old 'Thrupenny Bit'...

The original seven-sided replacement for the ten-bob note was sometimes called a Wilson - cheap, nasty, and unpopular.

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And how long will the "old" coins be valid?

'cos they're still fakeable while they are...

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Re: And how long will the "old" coins be valid?

Six months. Same as when they've introduced new coins recently like the revised 10p.

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Re: And how long will the "old" coins be valid?

"Six months"

Sad, really. Pre-decimal coins could remain in circulation for a long time. In the mid-50s a pocket-full of change could include coins from 5 different reigns.

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Re: And how long will the "old" coins be valid?

"Six months."

By the time I next return to the UK I'll have completely forgotten about this and will be left wondering why the handful of coins I keep (because it's handy to keep small denominations when visiting different countries) aren't accepted.

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It would be a lot easier to tell real coins from fake ones if they didn't keep changing the design.

I often see pound coins that look a bit odd, but it's hard to tell without a couple of others of the same design to compare it to.

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It would be a lot easier to create the fake ones if they didn't keep changing the design. I expect this new design is a lot more difficult to counterfeit.

OT, but you never see many £2 coins these days.

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It would be a lot easier to create the fake ones if they didn't keep changing the design. I expect this new design is a lot more difficult to counterfeit.

Yes. You need much more specialized equipment to produce bimetallic coins that stay in one piece (even the royal mint had trouble with early production £2 coins). 12-sided is also harder than round. Also assuming the density of the inside and outside metals are different, then it'll be very easy for coin-accepting machines to reject fakes made of any single metal.

OT, but you never see many £2 coins these days.

I suspect people tend to hang on to them, because they are rather pretty and there's a new design out almost every year. I recently got a bunch of brand new ones out of a Sainsbury self-service till when I gave it a £20 note as payment.

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re:OT, but you never see many £2 coins these days.

Yes you do - I see loads of them. Which is good as I much prefer them.

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£2

I get given £2 coins as change quite a lot.

Probably cos i keep buying a bar of chocolate with a tenner.

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Nice that someone's won a competition that I, and I'm guess most of the rest of the country, had no idea was even being run.

I don't mean to detract from the quality of his entry mind you - looks like he's done a damned fine job.

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security chip???

So what can that integrated security chip do? More importantly, what can it *remember* for later playback to someone? Or am I reading too much into the words?

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I suspect an embedded RFID element in there somewhere...

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Re: security chip???

It is a secret. The Royal Mint's explanatory web pages and video say it is excellent, but does not give a word of detail. So if you get an ISIS coin, you can tell it is genuine because ... err ... erm ... well you cannot tell it is genuine because all the new security features are secret. I assume the security features are like the emperor's new clothes - if you cannot see them you are not fit for your job.

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Re: security chip???

Unfortunate choice of name. The videos on the site seem like a sales pitch to other countries/issuers rather than explaining our new pound, but then the Royal Mint makes a lot of money for other countries. It's one of those fun Treasury/Central bank things. To me it's a humble quid in my pocket, to them it's the cost of that coin and TCO of money. Plus the arms race between Mints and counterfeiters and the cost of replacing coinage or notes if they're too easy to fake.

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Re: security chip???

A well screened one, then.

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On the flipside...

I see what you did there. hurrah

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It is a nice design but isn't the shamrock more of a symbol for Eire rather than NI? Any Unionists care to comment?

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The shamrock isn't really a symbol of anything (except possibly the Trinity if you happen to be Sister Robbie Coltrane). The symbol for Ireland is the harp.

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And the symbol for Scotland is a lion rampant, for England one or three lions passant gardant, and for Wales a dragon.

These are all plants which commonly represent the individual countries concerned. As I've been reminded watching the Six Nations, where they show the emblems of the individual rugby unions. The IRFU emblem (and the IRFU covers the whole island, not just the Republic) has several shamrocks on.

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New security features? Shame 'cos I love collecting fake £1 coins, best places to pick them up are pubs.

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Still don't know why it's 12-sided

Other than that nostalgic retro "because the thruppeny bit was 12-sided" argument, anyway. Particularly when it's a bimetallic design, I'd have thought the last thing the vending machine manufacturers would want is a coin bouncing up and down, rather than a constant-diameter one rolling smoothly past their sensors.

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Re: Still don't know why it's 12-sided

If it was round you would mistake it for a Euro coin.

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Does the designer get a royalty? It's a nice design, he should get 1p per thousand coins minted, or some such.

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1p per thousand. Yes, that would be a nice little earner.

By 2013 there was an estimated 1,528 million £1 coins in circulation. Not all the same design admittedly, and I'm not suggesting the kid shouldn't get something, but £15,000,000 seems a tad high.

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Dodecaquid - I really hope that catches on!

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or DODOQUID perhaos

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Coin-swallowing machine

This is slightly OT, but I have to tell somebody.

I wanted to buy a 70p item from the office vending machine. I had the exact amount in my wallet. No problem with the first three 20p coins, but my 10p was repeatedly rejected. So I pushed the coin return button, and got nothing back. It seems the machine will give change, but it won't allow you to cancel a transaction if you haven't inserted enough money to buy something. I expect this would the source of a tidy profit, were it not for the cost of replacing wrecked machines. Who designs the firmware for these things?

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Re: Coin-swallowing machine

I use the vending machne in my office to get rid of all my small change. Feed it all the 5c, 10c, 20c and 50c (euro) coins in my pocket, then push "cancel". It generally returns the deposited amount in 1 euro coins, or at worst 50c ones.

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"It generally returns the deposited amount in 1 euro coins, or at worst 50c ones."

The same applies to the self-service tills in some shops. Morrisons in particular use a big cup-like thing with a conveyor belt in the bottom but return any overage using the minimum number of coins. Asda and B&Q on the other hand are coins slots so it's a bit less convenient to just dump a pocket full of change in them.

It's certainly cheaper than using those Coinstar machines so long as you're not dropping the entire piggy bank or penny jar in them :-)

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Re: Coin-swallowing machine

RBS have coin deposit ATMs in some branches now. Pays straight into your account and they don't charge any commission like Coinstar. Great for emptying that jar of shrapnel

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The machine at our local railway station takes coins and notes, but only gives change as coins. So you buy a £21 ticket with two £20 notes and you get 19 pound coins as change - quite a pocket full...

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Anyone got change for a Zonk?

Nice to see the thistle getting prominence.

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Nothing the establishment likes more than a schoolboy's posterior

Allegedly.

Well someone had to say it.

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ISIS Security Feature

So does it have a hidden garrotte covered with Poisocaine?

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Oh, for....

The British pound was the *one* coin I could easily identify by feel when my Canadian and British money gets mixed up, and I'm trying to catch a bus, because there's no other coin I've encountered that looks or feels quite like it. Now they're making the bloody thing exactly like the Canadian $2 coin, as if 5ps weren't already annoyingly close to dimes, and 10ps weren't annoyingly similar to quarters. Thanks a bunch. Now the only coins I definitely know at a glance are British are the penny and 50p, because Canada doesn't have them.

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