back to article Pentagon 'network intruder', dozens more cuffed in British cops' cyber 'strike week'

A "strike week" against suspected hackers by the UK's National Crime Agency has resulted in 57 arrests. Those arrested are suspected of being involved in a wide variety of cybercrimes such as fraud and virus writing. The suspects – arrested in 25 operations across the UK – face charges including network intrusion and data …

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Let's hope police forces around the world go after these criminals.

It is about time. Let's hope police forces around the world go after these criminals.

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Re: Let's hope police forces around the world go after these criminals.

You mean like the NSA and GCHQ? Why do they get a free pass?

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Re: Let's hope police forces around the world go after these criminals.

So because there are rapists and murderers we should stop arresting people who steal cars?

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Re: Let's hope police forces around the world go after these criminals.

I assume they will first be extradited to the Netherlands for the theft and then to Russia / china / Iran / etcv wherever the hacked sims ended up being used.

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Propaganda much?

This isn't just law enforcement: It's a spectacle.

We're not allowed to use public hangings to keep the people scared of the police any more. Things like this have to substitute.

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Re: Propaganda much?

I agree. Clearly if the police can keep handcuffing lotsa bad, hoodie-wearing hackers, we will all be safer. I fear the Zuck will surely be next, unless he starts wearing Armani suits and complying with da Law. Or did I miss some subliminal message? Feels spot on, so far. And it is an election year.

Personally, I can't wait to see some high-profile banksters and their bitch politicians get their doors kicked in during the night, but may need to wait just a little bit longer, until the revolucion is complete.

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Virus writing?

Is a crime since when?

I wrote a backup script which (accidentally) recursively copied our log folder to a subdirectory - infinitely deeply . Who do I turn myself in to ?

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Re: Virus writing?

A remedial programming tutor.

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Re: Virus writing?

Oh, don't worry, we'll punish you sufficiently...

Now take this knotted-up loop of fiber optic cable and do 20 "Hail Ritchies" in the corner and think about what you did.

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Evidence, show me the incontrovertable evidence and I will convict, till then it is just heresay and horseshit

Wankers in suits are still wankers.

Evidence, clear and public (like the sort the ordinary person could question) or you ain't got shit.

Not heresay.

Not wild guesses

Clear public evidence, where is it ?

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Re: Blah Blah Blah.....

"Not heresay."

No, definitely not heresay. Were you trying to write "heresy" or "hearsay"?

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Re: Blah Blah Blah.....

A spelling mistake - so expletive deleted what?

Maybe English isn't his first language. May be he didn't have the education you had.

Everyone understood what he meant. Stop being obtuse.

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"including name, title, e-mail addresses and phone numbers" ... "none of the data obtained could be used as personally identifiable information"

do what?

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Maybe it was separate lists.. one with names, one with titles, one with e-mail addresses, and another with phone numbers. Which, now that think about.. our government would do something like that out of ignorance or some idiotic CongressCritter who has an "idea to improve security".....

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Is the rot, perpetrated and enjoyed right at the top and in the heart of establishments, too

Strange how alleged and adept politically incorrect government based paedophile rings and ethnically diverse and perverse sexual trafficking and grooming rings appear to be protected from raids and prosecution until, if they be unlucky, decades after the fact.

What does that sort of inaction suggest and prove? A right dodgy criminal them and us mindset and even quite insane mentality destroying the system inexorably from within .... just like a killer vapourware and sleeper malware virus writer can conjure a program to deliver and sustain/purge and restrain and/or retrain?

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Why so many arrests all at once?

Some of these offences go back a few years. I can understand that there might be a delay in handling a joint enterprise in order to identify all the participants; a premature arrest of some might alert the others and make pursuit more difficult. But some are said to be unrelated. Were these arrests being saved up to make a big headline? If so how do they justify the possibility of allowing the perpetrator to continue unchecked on the one hand or make a fair trial more difficult on the other?

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Re: Why so many arrests all at once?

It's a law enforcement tactic. Get them all at once so they can't warn each other, some of the members of various groups have memberships in many other groups. By taking out only group, they can see the repercussions later in other groups actions.

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Re: Why so many arrests all at once?

@ chivo243

Yes, that's why I said I could understand it in the case of a joint enterprise. But the way the article is written suggests that these were independent operations.

Even in the case of overlapping group memberships there has to be a case for taking out one group once the investigation of that is sufficiently advanced. The logical consequence of doing otherwise is that only loners ever get arrested & everyone else is left to continue.

At the best of times it can be a complex strategic decision but this one has an air of publicity-seeking about it.

Another factor is whether there's sufficient evidence to charge those arrested or whether they need forensic examination of seized equipment first. If the latter I can imagine the reactions of those examiners having several cases dumped on them all at once, all urgent. I can imagine it because in my time I've been in that situation, albeit with more conventional aspects of forensic science; I've done my share of working into the night & weekends. Fortunately nobody was so stupid as to do that with a whole lot of cases at once.

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Re: Why so many arrests all at once?

In a word, publicity. Arresting them in small groups or one/two at a time won't get a headline in the popular press. Knock down a large steaming pile at once and bingo! Headlines......

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Re: Why so many arrests all at once?

There's an election coming up.

Tough on crime blah blah blah...

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Cautiously in favour provided that the police can differentiate between genuine naughtiness and people using network tools.

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Prolly Broke Their Back, Eh?

I'm thinking they nabbed maybe .03% of the criminal hacker underworld in a single region with this massive public relations stunt. If they start ripping out fingernails and hooking them up to car batteries, they might get somewhere. Or we can offer them a couple years of psychoanalysis and counseling and they'll have a change of heart and volunteer lots of, by then, stale and useless info. I guess it's a matter of your state of emergency. Let's just keep it all sub threshold until it blows up in our faces.

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Re: Prolly Broke Their Back, Eh?

Hooking them up-to Car batteries? Oh so your one of those guys who mandates torture? Until it blows up in our faces? What part of having the evil Microsoft Empire pre-load its broken browser full of security bugs, such as the Windows Scripting Host, Javascript Eval & Fetch Functions, Unified Global Policy controls and ActiveX getting fined $756 million for anti-trust practices did you miss? Not to mention which part's where you unclear about, when the lead developer for Linux jokes about a backdoor in his OS? It's worth noticing that Apples iOS uses the XNU Kernel from the GNU and Google's Android uses the Linux kernel. So if we're talking about Kernel level back-doors, then that explains a hell of a lot about insider trading and why SystemD is suddenly turning Linux into a Windows Clone, notice the shift in policy from Microsoft "Linux is a Cancer!" suddenly its "We Love Linux!" well sad to say I no longer love either Linux or BSD and have gone back to using MSDOS with Novell Netware and some minor hacker modifications and even managed to dig up an old copy of Unix version 7, you know that really old OS that used to tell it's users they where a Console and nothing quite as fancy as a Root user? Oh and it even compiles all my Unix programs with a standard cc compiler and not the gcc which is prone to bugs. If people run garbage like Apache and active scripting components, then they deserve to be hacked for being so retarded in the first place!

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Re: Prolly Broke Their Back, Eh?

The point being- what state of emergency do you call emergency and what do you do to lessen that state of emergency? Thought experiment- A dirty plutonium nuclear device sits in a car abandoned on the Tower Bridge. You are the chief police inspector, you have the guy who put it there in custody, he's Arabic and knows the code to disarm the timer and you have 10 minutes before it radiates everyone within a 10 mile circle. You get him a lawyer, right? (snicker)

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Re: Prolly Broke Their Back, Eh?

I don't know if you watch the TV much Walter, but I enjoy watching it quite a bit, an I realize there are manipulative people out there in the big wide world, that like to try and manipulate things for there own ends, for example did you see the conversation between the guy from the spy agency and the guy's from the cryptographically security spectrum? If not you missed out on some pure arrogance! The guy sat there telling developers that come from all walks of life and from various parts of the world out of a global community of computer developers, that he needed back-doors into cryptography and that if he wasn't given them that he'd make that decision for them, now I'm sorry but that to me scream's pure ignorance and arrogance of why we have cryptographic standards in the first place. Not only that but this repeated hacking activity they've decided to engage themselves in is illegal on so many front's I don't even know where to start, for one thing SIP as a protocol is not some great big secret SIPRnet and neither is regular IP traffic NIPRnet, if they have a hard time distinguishing that fact then Christ know's what they'd make of UUCP as a protocol. But it's easy to see how they come to some conclusion's about the legal aspects because they're surrounded by people that for want of a better word are called "enablers" and that's like me going off and writing a really vicious virus and selling it on afterwards, oh sure i'll profit, they'll profit but in the end, it flys in the face of everybody else who knew better in the first place. It's like a huge slap to every person in the computer industry that you've got these guys coming along thinking that what they're doing is perfectly ok. Nationalist for a start, they don't like foreigners and to cap it off, nearly every piece of software that they are abusing was written in part by Foreigners from around the globe! That's why it's called a global community, so before you enter the computer community with idea's of being some kind of enabler, take a step back and remember your decisions impact not just one of two countries, but upset years of hard-work everybody else has done to build and help that community grow and if they're sitting there lying about how they're computers are not so secure, an you know what, if you feel you can do better then be our guest!

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Re: Prolly Broke Their Back, Eh?

Yer preaching to the converted. I'm saying that current computer crime law enforcement offices are woefully under financed and under staffed. There is a hacker element that is juvenile and mischievous. They should be recruited by law enforcement, given credit for their smarts and paid well to go after the criminal hackers and other online crime such as child porn and phishing.

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We're safer already.

"The public must have faith that where these crimes have occurred they will be prosecuted, and that fraudsters and online criminals will be punished appropriately,"

Unless they're call-me-Dave's banker chums or companies above the law...

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Dow Jones

Look at Apple up there ranking in as the number one tech provider for the Dow Jones, never fear your stocks and shares are safe here, just as soon as we figure out how to take care of that pesky lack of Unicode support and wash away all memory of people saying things like, we needed these powers to stop terrorism, not influence the stock market!

To Quote a Spy & thinking about the 'XNU Kernel' - "I had the authority to wiretap anyone anytime..."

Good to know, so your telling us we should be looking at the terminal capture and refresh rate's closely then? An let's not forget it's apple and bug fixes take a while! ;)

As usual the best of being British and democracy prevails... Freaky SSL making it's rounds an all.

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Default Password

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the default secure socket password to every iOS and apple iPhone still set-up as "Alpine"

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GCHQ

I wonder how many of these scallywags will end up working for GCHQ?

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The NCA.

Black clad, masked, armed, no ID numbers, no names or ranks when asked.

Black vans, unmarked, fake registration plates.

Answerable to the Home Secretary only, not to the judiciary or the police. Effectively operating beyond the standard legal system. Above the law.

Their badge is a black crown on a white armband.

If I'd written that in a book, you'd be saying "clearly the bad guys/secret police".

In reality? What do you think?

May doesn't ask "What would the stasi do" anymore, because she can just tell the NSA what to do instead.

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