back to article Phabba-dabba-do: Samsung hypes up Galaxy S6 and S6 Edge

The grandeur of today's Samsung S6 phabgasm in Barcelona reminded your correspondent of the scene in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy when the day dawned for the announcement of the Answer (to life the universe and everything). Think pop concert, complete with glowing wristbands, dramatic music with drums and a stage the …

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Built in battery, no SD slot, no waterproofing?

That thundering sound you hear is the sound of millions of Samsung fanboys backtracking on their arguments why the iPhone sucks.

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Re: Built in battery, no SD slot, no waterproofing?

It just means that this phone sucks too. The only benefit is profit for Samsung as they sting customers for inflated storage costs. Looks Like I won't be buying an S6 any time in this lifetime.

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Re: Built in battery, no SD slot, no waterproofing?

It's the Sony phones that all have waterproofing, not the Samsung.

That said, I agree that removable batteries and SD slots are not important for the vast majority of users.

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Re: Built in battery, no SD slot, no waterproofing?

No SD slot ?

No thanks !

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>It's the Sony phones that all have waterproofing, not the Samsung.

Samsung do make 'Active' versions of the S4 and S5 that are waterproof, but they have been given a rugged style in addition.

But yeah, waterproofing is Sony's way to distinguish themselves from other high-end Android phones. Samsung's has always been, until now, to be throw all the latest technology together along with removable batteries and SD storage. Now, it seems Samsung are going all in for style and thinness - and I suspect they do have to shed their reputation for plastic.

Perhaps Samsung will release a variant of the S6 with a removable battery, or simply a fatter model with a bigger battery.

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Nope its the thundering sound of Samsung owners moving to other brands.. I need a new phone this year and now Samsung have just likely lost my custom, built in Battery I can deal with, no MircoSD though, that is a deal breaker for me....

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Agree, having used a 16gb iPhone would not go back. Sony Xperia phones are great. Expandable memory which suits me as I travel a lot, can add as many photos as I want and more. It's waterproof and the camera is very good.

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What are you guys on? My S5 is waterproof and IP rated and it's a normal version!

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So it has become an iPhone in all but name? Ok it has a curved edge but once it sits in a case, advantage lost.

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I'm curious, what do people need SD cards for? The lowest of the low phones comes with 16GB nowadays, and I only use 10. Are you keeping all your holidays videos from the past ten years on your phone?

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> what do people need SD cards for?

Music for me. My 32GB sd card is more than half-full of music and copying that when I get a new phone, rather than just moving the card, is a real pain!

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Those of us who travel a lot tend to fill up that kind of space in no time at all. Think books and movies to keep entertained on long flights, also photos and videos from the destinations, it adds up very quickly and SD cards are the only real solution.

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/I'm curious, what do people need SD cards for? The lowest of the low phones comes with 16GB nowadays, and I only use 10.

For me it's mainly pictures, audio books and offline maps. I've got quite a few apps with their own beefy storage requirements meaning that the phone's own storage can start to look a little small. And it also makes a lot of sense to put certain kinds of data on separate media.

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Quite a few things. I have a few games that are 2-3 GB each. Offline terrain maps run about 10 GB for the Island. Music, videos etc. Books is a huge one, I have loads for work which take up about 23 GB.

I'm probably highly abnormal (what's new) but I can see others using far more than me just with music and videos.

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actually that thundering noise you hear are the millions of Samsung fanboys ditching Samsung and heading off to other manufacturers

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Re: Built in battery, no SD slot, no waterproofing?

well, the standard one sitting on my colleges desk in front of me is rated IP67.

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music for all those times you have no access to a usable data stream, full HD video (3-4GB each), photos and 4K video recording. Add a couple of top end games at 4 GB each and a full backup on the memory card and you could easily fill 128GB or more

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Re: Built in battery, no SD slot, no waterproofing?

Given a choice between 32GB storage or 16GB and SD I'd go for 32gb myself.

I never could get my HTC M8 to run certain apps like Droidsound properly due to the KitKat update.

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I'm heading into my last 10 days of a five week holiday in Sri Lanka and the Philippines. Both incredibly beautiful places, photos as my Xperia has a great camera and is waterproof for high humidity, and not done yet, dropping into water

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"I'm curious, what do people need SD cards for?"

Personally, I don't use it for the extra capacity that much. I use it because it is REMOVABLE storage. It's an easy way to get large amounts of data on or off the phone. I can also perform periodic backups with Titanium Backup, which means if the phone conks out, I can still have a copy of my data that doesn't require some on-line cloud-esque sync solution. Granted, ad SD card can die too, but a phone dying takes a lot more down with it.

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Re: Built in battery, no SD slot, no waterproofing?

The only thing that has kept my s2 useful and in service is the 2 removable sd cards and replacement batteries. I thought about an s4 but can't see rhe point until the s2 dies.

As for space, sat nav takes a few gig, music about 10, photos another 5. Or so. Video maybe 5,games and stuff another 3 plus a backyp for when im playing wirh roms.

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Re: Built in battery, no SD slot, no waterproofing?

I recently worked down in Patagonia for a month and was away from WiFi, the Internet and this thing called 'the cloud' for long time. After 3 weeks of taking personal photos and videos on my Nexus 5 of all the amazing places we passed through, my phone was snapped into two pieces during a particularly eventful day. Needless to say, I lost everything.

If the phone supported a micro SD card I could have popped out out and saved the lot. This is why I'll not buy another phone without removable storage.

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Certainly was never a Samsung "fan", but bought their phones because they offered the features I wanted, which included removable, swappable batteries, a MicroSD card slot (would have preferred two of them), and a high quality plastic that could take a lot of abuse without passing all the pressure on to the glass, like metal does, in case of a drop.

AND, I really can't wait until people find out that the curved part of the phone's display takes on scratches like no tomorrow and looks awful after a few months.

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Re: "The lowest of the low phones comes with 16GB nowadays, and I only use 10"

Don't draw conclusions about others from your own lack of using the full potential of your tiny, pocket-able computer.

I have 20 GB of music, 32GB of about 7,200 books ranging in subject matter from technical, engineering to medical and also a few novels. Then a few movies, concert videos and downloaded Harvard lectures from Youtube and other tutorials for another 30GB. Beyond that, I take a lot of pictures and video with the phone, which also tends to grab space, so there isn't that much room left on my current 128GB MicroSD.

I can access all this without an internet connection, whenever I need it, as its always in my pocket.

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And their USP is...?

According to an article on the beeb about this new S6, from a little distance it looks awfully similar to the iPhone 6. Moreover, they've ditched the micro SD card slot, a user-replaceable battery, and the waterproofing. Oh yes... and added "Samsung Pay" (USA and Korea only).

By my reckoning Samsung have dropped many of the USPs they and their followers have touted all this time, and have just come up with an iPhone 6 look-a-like with flashing disco lights. Nice.

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Honest question, who does a phone these days with a removable battery, SD card slot, decent hardware, and good build quality?

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Nokia/Microsoft 730. It costs just a third of the top models and is also available with dual SIM. Now if Microsoft would just start paying a few percent of its marketing budget to get more important apps ported to Windows Phone ...

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Re: And their USP is...?

@ Guido Brunetti

I'd rather wait for the Moto G 4G (2015)

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Thanks for the suggestion, I was thinking of something like that for my works phone. For my personal phone I was looking for something with higher specs than that, or at least I will be in a couple of years when its time to replace my note. There's no reason the note shouldn't last 3-4 years with a couple of battery changes. Screen burn is likely to be its biggest issue. Additional band support is likely to be the only real incentive to upgrade before then. Project ARA (or whatever its called) could make this even less wasteful in the future.

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>Honest question, who does a phone these days with a removable battery, SD card slot, decent hardware, and good build quality?

Samsung still do make the S5, k'know! They also make the S5 Active, a waterproof variant with a rugged mae-over.

What do you mean by 'build quality'? Materials, tolerances, proven durability, stiffness?

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Samsung. The issue is that they appear intent on not continuing to do so in future days.

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Thats true, although I am keeping in mind support for tmo's newer band 12 lte. I'm not really after the s series, more worried about them screwing with the note series as that is what I had planned to replace my current note with :( I could just about forgive the loss of the replaceable battery and sd card slot if they did something stunning like made it fold out into a tablet.

As for build quality, just basic better than some chinese bodge job of a reference design with whatever rom kind of makes it start. Samsung, HTC, Nokia, etc all make phones that are well built both hardware and software. Some not so top tier manufacturers seem to be including some headline features like gorilla glass but with second rate quality control (as demonstrated by my niece's never ending saga of how her latest random name brand phone has died yet her ipod thing has survived forever).

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Re: And their USP is...?

Just shows their success was just a fluke. They didn't build up the brand loyalty like other brands.

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Disco lights?

Ok Nexus 4,5 and 6(?) have one led on the front. Download lightflow and every notification can have it flashing in what ever colour you like and at different speeds......I often have 6 different colours on the go....some I look at others mean look at it when ever,

Simple, it works :-)

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But Microsoft do. There are several reported cases of them writing apps for people and saying "have this, please support us".

And the companies still say no.

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So, what was the big deal with the ad a few weeks back?

Was that because of the edge? And if so in what way?

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Meh

If this is a sign of what's to come with the next Note then there's no chance of me upgrading. Fast charging won't mitigate the loss of a replaceable battery. The real reason behind a fixed battery is it forces you to junk a working phone once the battery won't hold a respectable charge. I needed a new battery after about 14 months with my note. Easy and cheap enough to replace it With the note 3 but what about this model? A couple of hundred bucks to replace it? I bet their helpful answer is buy an s7.

Phones are already stupidly thin, well beyond it conferring any advantage beyond poser value.

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>I needed a new battery after about 14 months with my note.

The lifetime of batteries is a factor of how many recharge cycles they have gone through, not months. If a phone goes two days between charges instead of one day, it will take far longer for the battery to degrade.

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Yes, that along with the climate and also the chemistry of the battery and many other factors. The point being if the battery is non removable then if its 9 months or 14 (and age does play a part as well), it's still a brick at that point whereas if it is replaceable then it is down to whatever else goes terminally wrong first which can take some time. There's no reason not to expect a phone to last 3-4 years, but the battery is not likely to be all that useful at that point, it's already going to be suffering half way through that time. Perhaps it's the yorkshire in me but I don't see the point in trashing a $6-700 phone after a year to 18 months because a $30 part that could be replaceable isn't. Especially when the trade off is just making an already thin phone 1 mm thinner.

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While you are technically correct, the best kind of correct, the degradation time is still 14 months for this guy. Your answer doesn't change anything!

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It should be no different to iPhone, where if the battery starts to show its age then you just get a £20 replacement which takes less than 5 minutes to install. Or just do it yourself,for a fiver. It's really no big deal.

The real problem with the Edge is that it uses Android, which is abominable to begin with. Then Samsung make it even worse by soaking it with bloat.

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>It should be no different to iPhone, where if the battery starts to show its age then you just get a £20 replacement which takes less than 5 minutes to install.

Let's wait for the iFixit teardown and 'repairability score' before we pass judgement!

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Heat is the killer. Causes oxidisation and reduced battery capacity.

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Samsung might as well make the bootloader locked and not able to be unlocked, just to put the final nail in the coffin.

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I must be part-Yorkie myself ;) I do expect 4 years out of a phone I paid prestige money for, and it'd annoy me too if the battery was a cause for premature replacement.

Another big plus with a removable battery is you can hastily yank it if your (non-waterproofed) phone goes pint-diving or takes a spill, and if you're quick enough you may just save it (managed that with an accidentally inundated laptop recently).

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>The real problem with the Edge is that it uses Android, which is abominable to begin with.

Really?

I've had to suffer an iPhone as my work issued phone for the last 5 months. I hate it. Can't believe people spend their own money when Android is just so much more usable.

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>Another big plus with a removable battery is you can hastily yank it if your (non-waterproofed) phone goes pint-diving or takes a spill, and if you're quick enough you may just save it (managed that with an accidentally inundated laptop recently).

That's one solution, I guess - though not necessary for some Samsung and Sony phones. I'd rather waterproofing was a standard feature across all phone vendors (as it is on wristwatches, more or less).

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"The lifetime of batteries is a factor of how many recharge cycles they have gone through, not months. If a phone goes two days between charges instead of one day, it will take far longer for the battery to degrade."

Well, there's an issue too.

This is my use case, and I think it's not uncommon: I come home from work, I put my phone in the charge cradle, and if I not going out that night, it stays there until the next morning!

Now, I know this is not the best thing for my battery (and Lord knows, newer versions of Android want to chirp about it every ten minutes when the phone's fully charged [grrr!]), but I'd much rather have a charged phone throughout my workday than to risk a low battery because I forgot to plug the damn thing in at the optimal time. If the battery is removable, I'll just pop a new one in (in 20 seconds, in the comfort of my own home) when the old one starts showing it's age.

The other thing is, it doesn't matter how fast the thing can charge if there's no charger (or mains to power it) around when the battery poops out.

I will gladly bear the burden of an extra millimeter in thickness to be able to change out the battery when I need to!

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Yup, a Chinese no name 2500 battery cost 6 quid on ebay. Holds charge and lasts 25pct longer 1 year on for my s2. The third battery in coming up to 4 years. S6 is useless to my long term needs.

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"I've had to suffer an iPhone as my work issued phone for the last 5 months. I hate it. Can't believe people spend their own money when Android is just so much more usable."

Subjective I suppose, down to the individual. With Android I find myself asking "why do I need to do this?" and seeing a cluttered up spaghetti of an OS that continually wants attention. Whereas the iPhone just disappears, almost isn't there. I suppose if you are interested in phones then you might prefer something that requires you to do something with it. I'm not interested in phones and I want the phone to get the hell out of my way so I can just use the apps on it.

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