back to article ONE MILLION people already running Windows 10

Microsoft has revealed that a million people have signed up for the Windows Insider Program it is using to offer early access to Windows 10 for those willing to test the operating system's early iterations. Of those crash test dummies, Redmond says 36 per cent are running the OS in a virtual machine. That leaves about 650,000 …

Oh good...

Maybe one day MS will catch up with TOPS-10...

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Re: Oh good...

I seriously doubt it. (Yes, I grok the irony ... ex-DEC dude here.)

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1 Million hey,

Population of the world 7.1 billion

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What a stupid statement.

I'd be quite happy with an beta-test group of 1 million.

It's not like this is production software, available at any bricks-and-mortar store. They're hardly targetting wide-spread adoption.

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How do you know it's really 1 million using it? For all you know that figure is a lie.

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1 million less 1...

I tried it for a week, and have gone back to Win 7 - too half baked for me, with poorly implemented and totally not thought out functionality, and zero response to feedback, there was no way I'd waste any more time on it at this point at least.

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What possible reason (other than that you don't like Microsoft) could there be for it to be a lie? Seriously, what possible reason?

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"What possible reason (other than that you don't like Microsoft) could there be for it to be a lie? Seriously, what possible reason?"

Are you really that dense? Wow. Do you not think that many of the people that down vote comments like mine are MS employees and people who's bread and butter is made off Microsoft software? I don't expect to be the most popular person here, and it goes with the territory!

I make lots of money, all because of Microsoft's shitty-ass crap software, but that doesn't mean I have to shut up and not talk about reality.

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There are a lot of people (on here especially) who have a vested interest (personal and professional) in Microsoft remaining relevant.

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> Are you really that dense? Wow.

My potential density is not a reason.

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If you're happy to accept your popularity will suffer with inane comments (MY opinion) then you have to accept challenges to your position.

Suck it up.

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"My potential density is not a reason."

Your destiny has already been fulfilled: A troll that writes stupid comments nobody really cares about.

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Re: Phoenix50 the Microsoft Troll

That's bad form.

It's not currently a crime to love Microsoft, and there's no need to go personal and dig out past posts to prove an irrelevant point.

If you disagree with someone, either constructively explain how you think they're wrong, or just ignore them and move on.

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Re: Phoenix50 the Microsoft Troll

Not to mention that kind of personal attack being drastically against the House Rules.

I suspect - based on deletions - that this poster has been reporting people for disagreeing with him, too.

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Re: Phoenix50 the Microsoft Troll

While we're talking posting histories, a quick glance at yours (it's only two pages, which is a relief) indicates that you have never posted anything on the Register except your eternal hate for Microsoft.

Never. Every single post has been about how Microsoft and one or more of its products is shit. Without exception.

That's unusual. Is it financially rewarding?

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Re: 1 million less 1...

"I tried it for a week, and have gone back to Win 7 - too half baked for me, with poorly implemented and totally not thought out functionality, and zero response to feedback, there was no way I'd waste any more time on it at this point at least."

Really? I've found a few issues - most notably notifications - but overall it's a solid OS. If they get the UI issues sorted, it would be a worthy successor to Windows 7.

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Re: 1 million less 1...

Do you understand what they are trying to do with Technical Preview????

Crap ...mmm ok not the best, but they never said it was...

I am willing to give them a break on this......for the mo

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Re: Phoenix50 the Microsoft Troll

With the advent of fora like this, little people can throw their weight around with impunity, whereas in the real world, they would get their heads kicked in. Not sure if that's progress or not.

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Paris Hilton

You are my density...

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I wonder if Windows 10 will include the universal back door (which exists in 8.x) as part of the Windows store, which has unknown functionality. It's not known if it's only limited to removing somebody's applications from the store or can be used to do other things. Microsoft should go ahead and release the source code to the NT kernel, and the rest of the bits of Windows. Obviously it doesn't have to be under the GPL.

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Or a side door?

“Insiders” have delivered “over 200,000” pieces of feedback.

A lot of keystrokes, there.

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sad small-cock loser

Excuse me, being a loser with a small tinker doesn't make you a Windows fan. Please take that back - I hate Windows!

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Re: Or a side door?

How can anyone be sure the Windows backdoor in the app store doesn't have functionality that you don't know about? Most people don't even know that Windows by default has the backdoor included, and it cannot be turned off.

Please, I would like to see proof that a Windows machine is safe from tampering by Microsoft or NSA. I'm waiting to see the source code.

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a small tinker

What do diminutive gypsies have to do with this?

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Re: a small tinker

What do diminutive gypsies have to do with this?

Windows is a Microsoft product.

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> I wonder if Windows 10 will include the universal back door (which exists in 8.x)

[citation needed]

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> I wonder if Windows 10 will include the universal back door (which exists in 8.x)

[citation needed]

Here you go: windows 8 back door

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Heavily Snoped already.

I'd need something that hasn't been disproven by damn nearly every security researcher.

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Yeah But

How many downloaded it, installed it into a VM and then realised that:-

1) It is more of the same crap

2) MS are logging everything you do

so deleted it right away?

Perhaps this is perfect subject for a Poll?

I got the Server version and installed it into a VM. didn't delete it though but moved the VM to a system that has zero connectivity to the outside world. How many have done something similar?

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Re: Yeah But

That, alone, will be quite valuable feedback for MS - you can be sure they will have linked the installs which are immediatelly turned off, and the main reasons that accounts linked to those installs complain and the feedback they give. They will also be corrolating that feedback with the feedback given by accounts linked to more persistant installs, to see how similar/different the feedback is from users who've spent time getting to know the system.

1,000,000 users is a very large pool of feedback for a beta-trial, especially when the software reports so much feedback even without the user's interaction.

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Re: Yeah But

I bet ANY beta of this type has a very large proportion of people who register but never install, or install but never use, or install and use for 5min and then get bored. That's nothing unusual at all.

Even if only 5% of people give it a proper test, 50,000 active beta testers is huge at this early stage.

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Re: Yeah But

You mean Microsoft Actually Gives a Rats Arse?

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"You mean Microsoft Actually Gives a Rats Arse?"

I rather doubt it, but they Must Be Seen To Be Doing Something. Which is just as important, honestly, as the current issue is as much perception as product.

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The feedback will change almost nothing, save fixing some bugs that are huge, easy to fix and they feel like fixing.

The kind of shit that comes out of Redmond in terms of poorly-thought-out ideas is amazing. Take Windows 7/2008 R2, where they removed the overlay for shared folders. Numerous people complained. Microsoft's response was to say that this information had been moved to the 'details' pane, explaining that:

"This approach is an improvement over the overlay model as it helps provide more relevant data related to sharing."

As Raymond Chen elaborated:

"Given the changes in how people use computers, sharing information is becoming more and more of the default state. When you set up a HomeGroup, pretty much everything is going to be shared. To remove the visual clutter, the information was moved to the Details pane."

In other words, here's how we think you do and should use your computer - share everything! - and so we made it the way we think it should be.

Right, so we're talking about home PCs here, so we can assume that the overlay is still there on the server editions, right? Right? No.

There are numerous examples of this and far worse.

Server 2012 gets released and people look to make use of the new RDP 8 protocol to realise the extra performance of Windows 8 + RDP 8 + 2012 RDS. A new deployment and management method and interface - takes a bit of learning but, okay, we can deal with this. THEN, you realise you can't monitor and shadow session the way you have been able to since terminal server was first released, in NT TSE!!

MS just don't listen to their customers. They have an idea of what it SHOULD be and treat any dissenting views as incorrect.

I think the adoption numbers of Windows 8 has shown that to be in error and, hopefully, they have learned. But I won't count on it.

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Sounds familiar

When I beta'd Windows 7 (or was it Vista, slept since) and all the talk of the improved taskbar (must be Vista then) I griped about the lack of multi monitor support and having to use third party applications to give me a taskbar on each screen and I was told I'm doing it wrong and muscle memory for where applications should be would speed people up...I guess, if that's how that person thinks and uses a computer, and we know everyone thinks and uses a computer the same..

Iterations later and...still using third party apps for multiple monitor taskbar support..

They don't claim 1 million [i]installs[/i], just 1 million [i]sign-ups[/i] to the program. I've signed up and downloaded and ISO but haven't found the time to tinker with it as yet, wonder how many out of the mil haven't actually installed it..

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Right, because the fact that the leadership of those teams have changed is something we can all conveniently ignore.

Come on, the fact that Microsoft went to the trouble of putting a feedback mechanism in here /does/ mean something. Oh sure, it'll just get ignored right? Why bother. I mean, why bother going to the trouble of making a feedback app at all if all you're going to do is ignore it. Give people a warm fuzzy feeling that they matter?! If Microsoft don't care about your feedback, then they certainly wouldn't care about making you feel good. It just doesn't add up.

Or, alternatively, new people in charge are making a difference .. maybe, just maybe that's the explanation. Time will tell. But hey, feel free to pre-judge.

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There was a feedback mechanism on Windows 8 previews. They'll twist and spin this data into however they'd like.

"Only a few people use more than 4 pinned apps on the start-menu... so we've made the fucker full screen"

They removed macros from Visual Studio, for god's sake - because apparently only 1% of us used them. They're now putting them back in (or so they've said - I haven't checked).

They just cherry-pick the items off their User-voice sites, and ignore anything that they don't want (or fob off, if you're lucky)

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Yeah, but Windows 8 does have multiple taskbars for multiple monitors. Something I turn off immediately but my colleague loves. Do keep up...

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@Anonymous Bullard

Correct.

If feedback matches their vision they may take it on-board. If it doesn't then it will be discarded any criticism rationalised.

It's always only "a small, vocal minority", remember.

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The feedback will change almost nothing, save fixing some bugs that are huge, easy to fix and they feel like fixing.

Agreed. Take them away and tie them up with that bl00dy ribbon....

How far can you dumb something down?

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Daily driver

I've been using it as my daily driver since it came out. I quite like it tbh. It's been stable and fast enough and I like some of the UI improvements over Windows 7 (I haven't used 8 in any great length so things like the resizable snapping are new to me).

I'm quite looking forward to seeing how it develops.

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Re: Daily driver

Same here minus 1 day - couldn't get my PC to boot from USB (Thanks Gigabyte).

So far it has faired well. Installed without issue on UEFI. Performance is slightly improved over Win8 according to my Novabench rating (Win8 was slightly higher than Win7). The UI does seem a little split personality still with the 2 calculators being an example of this - hope they improve that as they go on. Compatability mode worked for apps that wouldn't run above Win8. I'm left wondering what has become of the big green button since Media Centre became an add-on for Win8, and isn't available in the BWin 10 Beta.

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Figure doesnt mean 1 million users

To say 1 million people have signed up to the insider program means little.

I have signed up to it, downloaded the UK version, and still haven't managed to install it after about 4 attempts.

On my test machine it gets to 3% before telling me that it couldn't install. Lets be honest, MS will have figures for :

Sign-ups (as shown)

Downloads Started

Downloads Completed

Installs started

Installs completed

User uptime.

It is interesting that they have only released the figure at the very top of the funnel.

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Re: Figure doesnt mean 1 million users

I went all the way. Uptime was about 15 minutes - I removed the spam icons from the start menu, downloaded chrome, tested virtual desktops, opened calculator *slap* - closed vm + and deleted all evidence of it.

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Re: Figure doesnt mean 1 million users

I registered. I downloaded. I tried to install in a VM (Virtual Box). It wouldn't install. Three times. I must be Holding It Wrong. Sometime over the weekend I might/might not try again. Or I might repartition that 2TB disk I've got in one of the spare desktops and install there. Or I might just toss the ISO and the disc I burned from it out and ignore the whole thing.

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