back to article To Russia With Love: Snowden's pole-dancer girlfriend is living with him in Moscow

If you've been worrying that NSA leaker Edward Snowden has been living a wretched existence in some horrible Moscow flat, shunned and alone, fear not. A new documentary on him claims that, on the contrary, he's happy and healthy – as is his live-in girlfriend. According to the film Citizenfour by documentarian Laura Poitras, …

The Register dives into the gutter and comes up with this. Shame on you.

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Re: William Donelson

We were pretty pleased for him in the SF office; good on them. Glad they made it work.

PS: If you're upset about these latest revelations of his private life, I urge you to reread the article all the way to the bottom and apply critical thought. In fact, read the Intercept's article, all of it. These lines from Greenwald are crucial:

"Vital to the U.S. government and its assorted loyalists in the commentariat is to depict whistleblowers as destined to live miserable lives ... But the fact that he is now living in domestic bliss as well, with his long-term girlfriend whom he loves, should forever put to rest the absurd campaign to depict his life as grim and dank."

C.

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re.Re: William Donelson

That should have been '@William Donelson re.' or just 're.'

[Coat: the one with the copy of 'Pedants Style Guide' in the pocket.]

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Nice. An article illustrated with a picture of a woman's crotch, and a strap-line reducing a the subject of the article to a mere object of a man's sexual activity.

I wonder why so many women find this industry an unpleasant, uncomfortable one to be in?

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@Daniele

Not that I disagree with you about the strapline and the image being un-necessary, but characterising it as a male-orientated problem is wrong.

The simple fact is women objectify men too. Not every woman does it (just as not every man does it), but it's all too often characterised as 'men objectify women, the pigs' when it swings both ways.

I wrote a rather lengthy blog post on it a while back, and found far, far more examples than I ever expected of female orientated media objectifying blokes.

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Tag line was changed by El Reg...

The tag line originally read "While the NSA is tapping your phone, he's tapping dat..."

http://s28.postimg.org/qn4v9j6hp/Screenshot_2014_10_11_11_46_41.png

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Exactly.

"pole dancer girlfriend" headline is a cheap insult. Shame on you Reg. AGAIN.

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Re: Tag line was changed by El Reg...

Yes, and Reg has the nerve to chastise me.

Cheap journalism.

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Re: William Donelson

It was the "tapping dat" and sleazy insults to the "pole dancing girlfriend" trying to be cute and clever Reg and coming up sexist.

Shame on you.

I am happy they love each other enough to sacrifice so much of their lives for the betterment of all of us.

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You know,,,,

There is absolutely NO indication it is a woman's crotch, it is only your limited mind that considers it as such, it could have very well been some lady boy from Thailand flashing his man in a boat.

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Why should El Reg be ashamed?

The description she gave herself included her profession as pole dancer and a quick google for her name suggests that Ms Mills is quite happy to "objectify" herself without any help from El Reg.

If this were an article about the latest hire of an IT company being "a screaming hotty" or some such I could understand but this is a woman who sells herself on her looks being described accordingly.

Do you really think she minds the "tapping that" joke?

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Re: Daniele

"I wonder why so many women find this industry an unpleasant, uncomfortable one to be in?"

This upsets me because I don't wake up in the morning to objectify people nor make others feel unwelcome in an industry in the stuff I publish. That was never the intention.

C.

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Re: William Donelson

"'pole dancer girlfriend' headline is a cheap insult. Shame on you Reg. AGAIN."

I knew it, I knew someone would post something like that. As I was walking home from work, and thinking over the headline, I knew someone – someone filled with righteous rage and blinded by the desire to root out misogyny – would stumble down the logic well.

Here's the question – riddle me this:

What's insulting about being a pole dancer? Insulting to you? Sounds like you're being awfully judgmental. Turn the mirror on yourself.

There is no "shame" here.

C.

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Re: William Donelson

Ah. I see in you window.

You mean his pole dancing assignee is none other than the bolt on the stable door reassigned to do dubious work as an undercover camera.

Are we right?

Or was the stipple at the end of the article you pointed us at completely wrong.

Beware of my carefully crafted code. I wrote in a manner devised to make the NSA and our dear GCHQ believe I don't know what I am talking about. (Just so you don't feel so alone.)

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Re: William Donelson

"PS: If you're upset about these latest revelations of his private life,"

Replace "upset" with "couldn't give a rats arse" and you'd be spot on.

No one cares about this self important narcissistic prick other than the US security services and standard issue anti-establishment teenage blowhards. Everyone else just gets on with their lives.

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This comes under The Register's "Inquirer-Rolling Stone" subheading. But I love their punning headlines and double entendres. "Trouser snake" should get a Pulitzer. Endless possibilities there. [titillating?....OK, OK, don't throw any more shoes...am straightening up.]

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Re: William Donelson

Maybe they'd welcome you as a co-believer in a threesome?

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Re: William Donelson

Re:

"You mean his pole dancing....", did the writer here imply a synonym for "Trouser trout"? As I said, endless possibilities here for us prurients.

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Re: William Donelson

Pls explain "blowhards".

[Promising now to stop.stop.stop.stop. ]

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Re: William Donelson

There's nothing wrong with pole dancing. However the way the article is written with the image of the pole dancer, and the title it's clear you are objectifying/sensationalising her as the article has nothing to do with pole dancing.

Lets face it if we changed Pole Dancer for 'Salsa Dancer' you wouldn't have bothered to put it in the article.

You're getting the flak you deserve.

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Re: William Donelson

I totally agree.

I recently dated a gorgeous pole dancer / stripppp.... Oh no, I didn't realise the wife was in the room, I hope she didn't see me writing this comme...OMG, she did!!! got to gooooo...

(Smash, bash, crash, squeeze balls...Did I write "recently"? It was a typo! It was that damn autocorrect! I meant to write "a long time ago"!!!)

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Pole dancer's husbands

..are rather more proud now. They always save the world. Remember Will Smith from 'The Independence Day'.

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Re: @Ben Tasker

"The simple fact is women objectify men too. Not every woman does it (just as not every man does it), but it's all too often characterised as 'men objectify women, the pigs' when it swings both ways."

Speaking as a male, I don't mind being objectified by women...

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""pole dancer girlfriend" headline is a cheap insult."

I don't see the insult?? Unless you are saying it is wrong she was pole dancing?

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Re: @Ben Tasker

@MrXavia

I'm sure there are plenty of women who don't mind being objectified either - I'm not saying it's wrong (it's part of a base urge really IMHO) - what is wrong is painting it that men objectify women and women never objectify men.

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I wonder why so many women find this industry an unpleasant, uncomfortable one to be in?

Because ... So many women can't code and can't be bothered to learn it?

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Look on the bright side Daniele, at least the naughty bits were not showing, nor were they even producing a tell tale nudge or bulge in the crotch of that lovely aqua colored article of clothing.

Would you prefer burlap perhaps? Cheers!

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Now it makes sense!

And in other news, a new report by Poitras and Peter Maass reveals that the NSA uses undercover operatives to subvert foreign companies and telecommunications networks, having done so in China, Germany, and South Korea.

And Finland. So that's what Elop was really doing! Subverting a foreign company!

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Re: Now it makes sense!

That was successfully subverted by a whole generation of middle managers prior to him. While the NSA/CIA may have a nearly unlimited budget, paying all of them to manifest the fundamental incompetence involved in the MeeGo, TrollTech, Symbian Foundation, etc debacle would have failed to pass even their internal budget oversight.l

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Happy for them both. Nice to see good things still happen in this world.

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True, but I think in this case, she's up the same proverbial creek without the proverbial oar that he is. I'm supposing that if the US gets it way, she'll be charged with aiding and abetting a fugitive. Or maybe "giving comfort to the enemy"?

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The girl friend probably is not implicated, and likely can travel freely on a US passport, subject to funds availability, with no more hassle than, say, Glen Greenwald.

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I'm supposing that if the US gets it way, she'll be charged with aiding and abetting a fugitive. Or maybe "giving comfort to the enemy"?

Provided she's not an NSA plant, of course.

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If

"if the US gets it way"

IF is the key word here

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I wonder if there is a chance of an IT magazine ever uncovering the reason that US firms that are overly expensive and not all that good should oust from top places nearly every foreign competitor.

I wonder if anyone at El Reg can get their heads out of other people's sex lives long enough to concentrate on stuff like that?

If only Nokia and Blackberry could find some angle to introduce naked women and tight little crotches on their wares.

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Re: Pottie

"Happy for them both. Nice to see good things still happen in this world." We'll have to see just how long she's going to be happy with his reduced income and circumstances - Hawaii and $150k contractor to, what? How much do helpdesk johnnies get paid in Moscow? Is Pootie giving him a KGB pension? I doubt it's much, she could probably make a few more rubles than him shaking her tail. Does she speak any Russian? Has she even visited Moscow before, let alone know anyone there? You only have to look at what happened to Kim Philby to see where that's going, especially considering how Philby was so disappointed to find 'the Workers paradise' was anything but that.

Meanwhile, I'm sure shepherds like Poitras and Greenwald want to portray the 'whistleblower'/traitor lifestyle in a positive light. They need to in order to make a parasitic living off it.

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The US is Over: We recently had the sad spectacle Joe Biden apologising to Turkey and Qatar after stating the well-known fact that many of the US "Allies" are busy supporting terrorist outfits in Syria and Iraq.

One does not apologise to these people (even if one is wrong) and never in public; Imagine Kennedy or Nixon apologising (and they had real crimes to their names, not just words)? Such public displays of weakness just gives the Arab leaders ideas, like, maybe they soon need to secure better allies like Russia or China.

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Paris Hilton

Provided she's not an NSA plant, of course.

I would tell her Everything ;-)

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I have to say that having read the Maass and Poitras article, and the documents that accompany it, I am pretty underwhelmed by the depth and scope of the new revelations. Most of it seems to have been known generally by 2012, and all or nearly all the rest came out by the end of 2013.

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"worked as an occasional exotic dancer"

There are exotic dancers that can be hired for occasions? I'd love to see the adverts:

"For your next furneral, why not hire one of our exotic dancers!"

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Re: "worked as an occasional exotic dancer"

You've already got one stiff there, why not make them all stiff?

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That'll liven up the party!

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Re: funeral peelers

I suppose that's one way to put the fun back in funeral.

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Re: "worked as an occasional exotic dancer"

"For your next furneral, why not hire one of our exotic dancers!"

You think this is a joke -- but in Taiwan, this genuinely happens. Regularly. Seen it myself...

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Re: "For your next furneral, why not hire one of our exotic dancers!"

Great idea, Time to change my will!

I have to have exotic dancers at my funeral, when I go,

I want people to have a party and celebrate my life!

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Re: "For your next furneral, why not hire one of our exotic dancers!"

Grave Dancer's Union?

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Funding

What's he living on? Surely not love alone! Gotta have some sort of income. A man (and a woman) has to eat or is he a kept man (my life's ambition!).

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Re: Funding

He's probably been paid quite well by the Russians

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Re: Funding

He can make a living for the next 10 years with consulting, especially if he keeps quiet on the subject of who he works for.

He does not even need to take Putin's penny and in fact from a financial perspective that will be the most stupid move he can make.

In fact he can probably work till retirement as security consulting is a positive feedback loop - the more opportunities you get, the more you learn, the more valuable you are. All you need is to get sufficiently high to start the loop. The normal method for this used to be "BUGTRAQ GadFly", but that is proving to be more and more difficult nowdays so people use other means to bootstrap their careers.

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Re: AC Re: Funding

"He's probably been paid quite well by the Russians". Kim Philby thought the Russians would look after him as well. They didn't.

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