back to article MOM: CHEAP Mars ship got it right first time. Nice one, India

India has become the first nation to achieve a successful insertion to Mars orbit on its first attempt, after an epic 10-month trek by its cunning Mangalyaan (aka Mars Orbiter Mission, or MOM) spacecraft. The mission that marked India as a genuine deep-space power is also a miracle of low-cost space exploration, setting the …

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Go MOM...

Can we now start wailing and whining about poverty in India, unwanted aid, yada yada yada?

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Sure. How about... wonder how long before they start forcing their poor to emigrate to Mars? Your typical Indian farmer could probably terraform that sucker in a generation.

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That's a given. I'm expecting 40% of the comments on this article to be in that vein, if past comment threads are any guide. Simple, unalloyed compliments for a noteworthy technical accomplishment seem to be as difficult for many commenters here as said achievement was for the ISRO.

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In reality $74M is spent by other countries dining diplomats.

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Only if said Martian Orbiter is powered by Linux.

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- 0 million : UK aid to India (2015, maybe)

- 22 million : luxury Yacht

- 26 million : burning man (2013)

- 40 million : Katie price wealth (reality tv)

- 60 million : low end private jet

- 65 million : Kim Kardashian wealth (reality tv)

- 74 million : Mars attempt India // Not just cheap labour but also the method.

- 110 million : London police budget

- 110 million : Sachin Tendulkar networth (cricket player)

- 140 million : (In)famous Gareth Bale transfer to Real Madrid.

- 175 million: Hollywood blockbuster cost

- 210 million: India Space Agency revenues // Its not just willy waving.

- 236 million: Trump Golf Course

- 270 million: Germany homeopathy market

- 350 million: A Boeing jet.

- 450 million: UK aid to India (2013)

- 500 million: India space budget (2013)

- 600 million : Bono networth

- 650 million: Burj-al-Arab

- 1,000 million : India Cricket revenue

- 1,500 million : Canada winter olympics

- 1,900 million : Commonwealth games India // Hmmm....

- 2,470 million: Mars Rover

- 8 billion: BBC revenues.

- 13 billion: TCS revenue (IT outsourcing)

- 14 billion: London Olympic games.

- 16 billion: India Education/yr

- 16 billion: Lakshmi Mittal (Richest Londoner)

- 19 billion: India food subsidy budget

- 21 billion: Mukesh Ambani (Richest Indian)

- 34 billion: South Korea Defense budget/yr

- 38 billion: India Defense /yr

- 68 billion: India Tech exports

- 160 billion: Worldwide space market. // Prize

- 640 billion: US defense budget/yr

- 1,700 billion: India GDP/yr

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Complied this as a result of a debate during intial MoM launch, but never posted it. Posting here with some updates.. sources for all data is internet, so take them with a pinch of salt.

As far as the meaning of the aid goes, it's simply a way for nations to lubricate future trades and relations. Unless you are paying for a major portion of a nation's budget, you have no say on how they run their country (ie based on the aid). Think of it as 100 quid that your rich neighbour puts in your birthday envelop. Maybe he hopes to boink your mama in future, but that doesn't allow him to question how your house is run.

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I'm sure the people employed by the ISRO, that wouldn't have the job they have now will concur wholeheartedly.

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Congrats

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Orbiter_Mission#Payload

Here's what they got for $74 million

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Fifteen kilo payload... hmm... I'm sure they could have squeezed a paper aeroplane in there somewhere...

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Hmm… relatively small payload and no doubt depending on the existing deep space communications infrastructure, that will significantly contribute to the cost savings.

SPB will be doing it in a few years. Start the Kickstarter now Lester!

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Only $74 million?

Did they outsource much of the work?

But seriously, good job!

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Re: Only $74 million?

nope, they made a big song and dance over how their scientists were working 18 hour day shifts to get it completed.

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"Either labor in India is soooooooo cheap or the others are soooooooo corrupt...or both."

There are other factors, like inefficiency.

However, it comes down to Indian labor being inexpensive. When most of your supply chain from engineers down to riveters is earning a pittance, then the parts are cheap. A Western nation aerospace company is going to be tapping into a huge chain of contractors and subcontractors where every company bills at about $100 per labor-hour.

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Added to which India has the finest mathematicians, astronomers and computer scientists on the damn planet.

Well done to all involved

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Replying to my own post. How self absorbed is that? I was just wondering if the down voter could step forward and explain why s/he beieves that the finest mathematicians, etc are NOT to be found in India. Maybe I missed something

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Re: Only $74 million?

Because the best Indian mathematicians, astronomers, and computer scientists now live elsewhere?

(I didn't downvote you, and I'm not Indian. I'm just sayin'.)

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Excellent job!!!!

If you're allowed... have a cold one --------->

If not, sit back and feel smug as you guys did on the first shot what no one else has done. And for a whole lot less cash.

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As it happens I was re-watching Michael Wood's excellent programmes on Indian history last night. This seems to be the latest in a very long line of amazing ideas coming from that area. Much respect.

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Any comment from NASA?

It's all gone quiet over there...

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That might be because its the middle of the night over here and no US Government employees besides the Military and some specific emergency response people are at work.

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Re: Any comment from NASA?

To quote the guy from NASA who commented when Sputnik 1 was successfully put into Earth orbit:

"We're all asleep"

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It will cost 74M$ to craft a comment

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Re: Any comment from NASA?

No comments from NASA as they are too busy drafting up the outsourcing agreement.

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Nice package...

and well delivered! India has a fine tradition in the maths, sciences, and engineering. They've done good and a couple of those instruments are very interesting. Again, congratulations.

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Al -gebra is Indian stuff repackaged by Arabs

They may have invented place number notation to, indicating the lack of a power of ten which became the Zero

Read from " One to Zero"

Here are the previous posts about poverty, grants, space

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Reminds me of an oldie:

How many kinds of people are?

Answer: 10 - those that count in binary and those that don't.

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""They may have invented place number notation to, indicating the lack of a power of ten which became the Zero

More relevant in this regard is that the optimal rocket nozzle shape (what most people call a "bell") is actually known as a "Rao" nozzle, after the Indian who invented it.

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Sorry but you are wrong baseh, there are 11. Those that count in binary and those that don't and those who don't care! :-)

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I love the smell of third world supremacism in the evening.

Talking about "Arabs" shows an unfortunate ignorace about the dynamics of that place. Arab-speaking populations did indeed invent stuff that wouldn't be found elsewhere. Prior to that, Babylonians and Sumerians invented positional numerical system. More important that all this historico-supremacism: whoever managed to do something useful with it is the actual winner. so congrats to the brightest and brilliant minds of India, who, I am positive, spend their time inventing new stuff instead of ruminating over mummified History.

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Can NASA outsource to India?

Saves money for the corporations doing it, though perhaps the rovers wouldn't outlast their design life by quite so much.

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So thats where they are now basing all the UK and Mobile Tech support Call centers.....

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Indian call centers on Mars - where it takes 20 minutes for the reply to your question...

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Call centre?

"Indian call centers on Mars - where it takes 20 minutes for the reply to your question..."

Sounds like an improvement to me ...

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Par for the course. It already takes 20 minutes to get to talk to someone in the first place !

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Heaven for everyone

Apart from cost, the rare demonstration of efficiency from an otherwise lazy economy.

Feasibility study started: 10

Project approval: Aug 12

Assembly started: Aug 13

Launch: Nov 13

Nice to see the first non-fair race in the orbit.

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Congratulations India,

on your visit to Mangala (or Merrikh or Angaraka).

Now go find some methane....

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Congrats, India

Not bad at all.

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Confusingly phrased

Could somebody clarify what's meant with the "first nation on first go" comment?

Do they mean that the managed a successful mission to Mars without having a few probes go boom or disappear into deep space? Or have all other successful missions had to do a few loops before successful orbital insertion?

I assume it's the former, would just like clarification from those who know these things better.

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They mean most space agencies have an unsuccessful Mars mission before they have a successful one. Only 51% of all missions aiming for Mars have made it.

I would like to point out that the first Mars Probe sent by the ESA (Mars Express) did make it and is still in orbit, although i technically they aren't a nation so their statement is correct.

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Their very first probe made it to Mars to do science. That's pretty damn impressive, considering how hard it is.

As opposed to Beagle 2, which was A) dropped off by ESA, B) never heard from again, and C) Britain's not tried again.

Or Mars 1960A, Mars 1960B, Sputnik 22, Mars 1, Sputnik 24, Zond 2, Mars 1969A, Mars 1969B, Kosmos 419, and Mars 2, which were the first 10 Soviet attempts. Mars 3 was the first successful landing and returned science.

Or Mariner 3, which was the first American attempt. Mariner 4 was a successful flyby and returned science.

For anyone playing Kerbal Space Program, you know the point of the missions are returning science!

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Comparing apples and oranges?

An orbit-only mission to a double orbiter and lander mission 40 years earlier.

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"Get your ass to Mars"

Yup, it kinda feels right when you say it with an Indian accent, too...

Nice one India.

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Massive congratulations, India

for an extremely difficult task achieved both quickly and cheaply.

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Welcome, India.

And now to show others how easy IT is whenever Commanding Creative Cyber Control doesn't upset and deny, degrade, disrupt and appears ignorantly and primitively designed to seek to dominate and/or destroy the natives or is Project Mangalyaan not an Advanced IntelAIgently Designed Enterprise for Dark Web Masters Tripping the Light Fantastic and Truly Monumental?

There be Changed Days and Changed Ways and Means with Memes for EMPowering Zeroday Vulnerabilities which Crash Systemically Corrupt and Perverse SCADA Operating Systems.

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Re: Venturesome Alien Forces Fielding Dark Web Enterprise GetGo .....dDutch Initiative

Quick nurse I need another dried frog pill. I'm starting to understand amanfromMars

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There be Changed Days and Changed Ways and Means with Memes for EMPowering Zeroday Vulnerabilities which Crash Systemically Corrupt and Perverse SCADA Operating Systems.

Told you so ......http://www.wired.com/2014/09/kevin-mitnick-selling-zero-day-exploits/ .... and Kevin Mitnick is late to the party and no more than a wannabe gate-crasher/free-loader? Leopards and spots and all that jazz.

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Well done India

A fine achievement

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