back to article Microsoft exits climate denier lobby group

After a year of participating in the American Legislative Exchange Council, Microsoft has decided that even tangential alignment with a high-profile oil-funded lobby is not what it wants. ALEC has been criticised by groups such as Greenpeace for lobbying against state-level clean energy and climate policies in America. …

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...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

Last time I looked at the output of a "non-partisan" group, they'd run three different $700K ad series each attacking different Democratic senators, and then the Democratic president for something different, as their 4 most recent actions. Um, yeah...

"Non-partisan" has become a self-applied label meaning 'liar'. I thank them for their willingness to be clear about that.

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

"Last time I looked at the output of a "non-partisan" group, they'd run three different $700K ad series each attacking different Democratic senators..."

So ALEC is actually partisan, I get it. Just like you are, espousing some case where poor honest Democrats get attacked under color of 'non-partisanship.' Like you could not find endless examples of such behavior from every side, including your beloved Democrats? Sure.

Still, it fits with the article author's own partisanship, using derogatory terms like "climate denier" with apparently no concern or shame whatsoever.

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

> Still, it fits with the article author's own partisanship, using derogatory terms like "climate denier" with apparently no concern or shame whatsoever.

Yeah it's really weird.

I've never met anyone that denied the existence of a climate.

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

If anyone is in any doubt about the existance of a climate then I invate them to come here to North Wales.

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@Notas Badoff RE: "non-partisan" groups.

Hmm, yes. I just love that expression. The way these groups use it reminds me strongly of a certain type one sometimes is unfortunate enough to run into in your local pub. You know, the type that prefaces his remarks with "I'm not political but...." and you just know that you are about to be subjected to an uber right-wing rant of a type that makes the average Daily Heil editorial sound positively liberal by comparison..

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

Rather appropriate considering the overwhelming evidence for global warming these days. Pretty much no one but Fox News viewers can be denying reality anymore.

For instance, this week we find that the rate of Greenland and Antarctica ice loss has doubled in only 5 years:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28852980

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

I bet we could find someone who denies the climate exists.

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

Well for a country that has a healthy interest in angels - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-nearly-8-in-10-americans-believe-in-angels/ - why not?

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

"If anyone is in any doubt about the existance of a climate then I invate them to come here to North Wales."

Oh yes, plenty of 'climate' around Bangor. With sufficiently sensitive instruments one might even find some evidence of H2O

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

"I bet we could find someone who denies the climate exists."

Not that hard, since the concept of "climate" as most people understand it is a Lie To Children, and as such does , indeed, not exist.

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Re: ...derogatory terms....

saying climate denier is less derogatory than fuckwit. which is what we mean, fuckwit.

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Re: ...I bet we could find someone who denies the climate exists.

over to you lewis

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

"I bet we could find someone who denies the climate exists". They call it weather.

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

I guess all that additional sea ice must come from somewhere:

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_stddev_timeseries.png

Oh and what global warming (even the IPCC acknowledge the "pause")?

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

Wow. Of all the places I frequent on the 'net, this is the last place I would have thought to find a republican troll. Seriously, this is a site for intelligent people, so your tripe is really not going to swing anyone's opinion here.

For those that don't know ALEC, here's a quick rundown. They create legislative templates of bills that are favourable to ALEC members, and which are then handed out to conservative politicians to try and pass in their home districts. Subjects of the bills range from "kill the gays" to "make sure convicted violent felons can still purchase guns" to "mercury in your drinking water is good for you" to "let Wall Street do whatever it wants" to "kill the abortion providers" to "climate change is Obama's mind-control program"... you get my drift. If there is any thinking involved or compassion emoted, it has nothing to do with ALEC.

Good luck in life Big John. Unlike you, I don't hate the other side. I just feel sorry for their confusion.

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

Wow. Of all the places I frequent on the 'net, this is the last place I would have thought to find a republican troll.

I guess you're new here. Yes, even though this is a site for more intelligent people than the average dudes, there is actually a pack of Republitards trolling around the comments section. Their most active point must've been during the Snowden brouhaha last year, they're easy to weed out because they're the ones calling him a traitor.

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

so do we apply "liar" or "propaganda mouthpiece" to comedians and entertainment shows that also only "find humor" from one party while ignoring the other?

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

climate? or is it "really bad weather"? Like how San Francisco and London call that opaque vaprous smokescreen "fog" ? :)

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Thumbs up for the princess bride ref :-)

in-con-thievable!!!!11!!1!!!!

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Re: @Notas Badoff RE: "non-partisan" groups.

@Arctic fox - "...and you just know that you are about to be subjected to an uber right-wing rant..." - as opposed to an uber left-wing rant? Which is ok? A word comes to mind, hang on, it's...it's.... oh yeah, hypocrite!

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Re: @Notas Badoff RE: "non-partisan" groups.

as opposed to an uber left-wing rant? Which is ok? A word comes to mind, hang on, it's...it's.... oh yeah, hypocrite!

… or maybe, just maybe, most of the rants are actually right-winger nuts and thus that's what you'll assume you'll be served with when someone utters those words? Kind of like hearing "Mainstream Media" these days will automatically flag whoever utters those words as a right-winger nutcase in the US, even though dissing the "mainstream news sources" is usually something done by the left-wingers in most parts of the world. Just ask my countrymen about Ukraine, and they'll tell you that all the news are being manipulated by the US war machine and that Putin is telling the truth, yadda yadda. But in the US, it's "the MSM is defending BHO".

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

Regarding the slowdown — not a "pause," actually — in overall global warming, there's an interesting paper that was just published in Science; from the paper's Abstract: "We found that the slowdown is mainly caused by heat transported to deeper layers in the Atlantic and the Southern oceans, initiated by a recurrent salinity anomaly in the subpolar North Atlantic. Cooling periods associated with the latter deeper heat-sequestration mechanism historically lasted 20 to 35 years." Worth reading if you're interested in a reasoned attempt to derive a scientific analysis of the "stair-step" nature of global warming over the past century or so — although some caution that the data sets are not yet robust enough to give the analysis a high likelihood of being the definitive answer to the "pause puzzle."

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

"so do we apply "liar" or "propaganda mouthpiece" to comedians and entertainment shows that also only "find humor" from one party while ignoring the other?"

Two choices: socialist stooge, or ABC staffer.

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"Regarding the slowdown — not a "pause," actually "

I've seen the graph and it is a pause. No rise in 17 years. And if you look closely, on the far right hand side, it's about to drop - fast and hard. I have as much evidence for this as you have for your famous hockey stick graph. Oh, wait. The hockey stick is a known fraud. It seems I have a lot more evidence for my point of view than you have for yours.

Peak climate, anyone?

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

Yeah, it swam over from the Artic to your Antartic graph

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

>>"Rather appropriate considering the overwhelming evidence for global warming these days"

Thus indicating you don't actually understand the criticism. AGW skeptics are generally unconvinced by the degree to which human activity is a driver of global warming, not that it exists. No matter how many times actual arguments are made, people still trot out this argument as if it solves everything.

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

"Unlike you, I don't hate the other side. I just feel sorry for their confusion."

Actually it appears you do hate the "other side." Witness the laundry list of evil intentions you ascribe to to them. How come you left out kicking little puppy dogs? It would have helped me get your drift better.

John O'G, it's strange how you first impute intelligence to the Reg readers, and then go and insult it. Tsk.

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Re: ...that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

For those that don't know ALEC, here's a quick rundown. They create legislative templates of bills that are favourable to ALEC members, and which are then handed out to conservative politicians to try and pass in their home districts. Subjects of the bills range from "kill the gays" to "make sure convicted violent felons can still purchase guns" to "mercury in your drinking water is good for you" to "let Wall Street do whatever it wants" to "kill the abortion providers" to "climate change is Obama's mind-control program"... you get my drift. If there is any thinking involved or compassion emoted, it has nothing to do with ALEC.

[citation needed]

(to clarify, I don't disbelieving that they are partisan. I think you are, I'll be kind here, mischaracterizing the extent of the proposals they draft.)

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>>"Subjects of the bills range from "kill the gays" to "

Can I get a citation on that? I find it unlikely that any remotely well-funded group in the USA has drafted actual bills that gay people be executed and passed them to senators to propose and be voted on.

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Taxpayers were funding deniers?

Glad Microsoft have left the group, I wonder how much taxpayers cash (that we are all forced to give Microsoft) was used funding the group.

Would be interested to know.

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Re: Taxpayers were funding deniers?

what???

you had bill gates round at yours holding a gun to your head too?

eejit

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Re: Taxpayers were funding deniers?

Is it possible that Microsoft are still sending them money under an NDA?

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>>"Is it possible that Microsoft are still sending them money under an NDA?"

Yes. Because the one thing Microsoft are all about is giving away money.

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I didn't think I could be more disgusted by the actions of that company.... Then I find they've been funding ALEC. Well done Microsoft, you've exceeded a goal I didn't think achievable.

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Big deal, Microsoft quit the club. Google is still a member as are the four major mobile providers and - ah heck, go read the wiki-list for yourselves.

I was rather shocked to find that this "oil-funded lobby" has just as much pharmaceutical pull on its enterprise board but I suppose that doesn't fit with the evil dino-juice narrative. Maybe the author could put together a piece about big pharma killing children because drugs are too expensive and work in a tie the next time a tech company joins/drops ALEC.

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Yup, reads a bit like Twurp's Peerage... Nearly all the Who's who is there in that list.

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funded by "oil" = evil

but funded by snake-oil = savior of mankind?

"Green" energy and control pundits are the farm animals wanting to take down the Big Oil farmers, talking big but really about moving themselves and their profits and power to the top when they couldn't do it any other way.

2 legs bad, 4 legs good. Soon after the "green lobby" wins, it's "some animals are more equal than others."

We need to adapt. But we need to be smart. No one with a big agenda can be trusted outright. Problem is, you're still a bloomin' idiot when all you do is decide which trendy party to be part of and accept everything from them as "truth", and take all practical limitations and warnings of such as "heresay".

Trading "Scientists" and "Consensus" for "Priests" changes nothing but the conceit. Science doesn't need a priesthood, but most everyone falls on their "statements of authority" instead of actually doing a little research of their own. If it's real research, it's open. If it's hidden, there's a problem. Monsanto, for example.

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Political bullying wins again. Is there no level these warmists won't stoop to?

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ALEC describes itself as a “nonpartisan public-private partnership of America’s red-state legislators, members of the private sector the Koch brothers and their wannabee minions and the general redneck, Fox Noise-sucking public”, meaning it exists to write legislation on behalf of its corporate Corporatist membership.

There. Fixed it for ya.

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