On that note ...
There was an interesting documentary about the Lancaster last week ...
Is it just me, or are the BBC narrowing the window of opportunity to watch things on iPlayer ?
Aviation history is being made in Lincolnshire today as the only two airworthy Avro Lancasters in the world met up at RAF Coningsby this afternoon. The two World War II bombers – one operated by the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum (CWHM), the other by the RAF's Battle of Britain Memorial Flight (BBMF) – are due to rendezvous …
Elegant perhaps, superbly designed and effective, the plane which caused Goering to rant about German incompetence and which was estimated to be nearly 6 times as effective as a Lancaster in terms of military effect per £ of cost.
And, as is usual with British engineering success stories, nearly didn't happen due to lack of imagination at the War Office.
"And, as is usual with British engineering success stories, nearly didn't happen due to lack of imagination at the War Office."
You are probably right. I don't suppose that the War Office had any idea what to do with a Mosquito, not because they lacked imagination but because they were responsible for the Army. What you should have said and probably meant was that there was a lack of imagination in the Air Ministry. Yes the AM was woefully short of imagination in respect to the Mossie, they didn't believe that a wooden aircraft had any chance in an era of all-metal airframes. Good job they changed their minds as the Mossie became one of the most versatile aircraft of the Second World War.
"AM was woefully short of imagination in respect to the Mossie, they didn't believe that a wooden aircraft had any chance in an era of all-metal airframes"
Which is all the more remarkable as I saw that the ME 110 had a wooden frame, at least the rear half of it was which I saw on the remains of one at Hawkinge museum.
I don't know about the ME109's construction, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it didn't have a similar construction. Does anyone know for sure?
"P52"? I think you mean the P-51 Mustang.
The original P-51 used an Allison V-1710 engine, which worked well below 15,000 feet but lost power at higher altitude. The Allison-engined planes were the P-51A Mustang and the A-36 Apache (ground attack and dive bombing). They performed very well in their designated roles.
The P-51B was fitted with a Merlin engine. The two-stage supercharger on the Merlin is what allowed it to perform well at high altitude. The Allison V-1710 engine also worked fine at high altitude, when fitted with a proper supercharger (as it was in the P-38 Lightning).
That takes me back to my 1950s childhood. The first record I bought was the Dam Busters' March - cost something like 4/7d (and an odd ha'penny). One day when my teenage sister's friends were playing their pop records - one of them sat on my record. Being shellac it just broke into many pieces. I hope it was an accident - and not because I was pestering for a turn with the record player.
A few years later my cousin had finished his RAF National Service in Cyprus. He had souvenir presents for our family - but took me to the toy shop to choose an Airfix model. I couldn't decide between the Lancaster, the Wellington, and the Bristol Super Freighter - so he bought me all three! Such generosity has since made me sensitive to the occasions when someone can be made very happy by the unexpected grandiose gesture. I wish I still had them - but they were lost in family house moves while I was away globe trotting. I look in the window of the local model shop - and wonder if I have nimble enough fingers these days to glue one together without the wheels etc seizing up. (Dabs away a tear)
Here on the north west Scottish coast, I looked up when I heard an unusual-sounding plane, spotted it flying towards Lochinver, and grabbed the binoculars. It was this Lancaster, but the sound was rather different to the BoBMF one. I can only surmise that they use different engine or prop settings for distance flying in comparison with that lovely sound you get when the BoBMF flies at low level.
Interesting this, as we had a long discussion about why, as far as we knew, the only Lanc flying was so far north, but it must have been the Canadian one.
... since that one does a lot of movie work (tail-up taxi runs etc.) - but have they renamed it? Last time I saw, it was "Just Jane"...
Having spent a lot of time working on the Halifax reconstruction and Elvington airfield in the early days of Yorkshire Air Museum, my dad managed to get a turn in the East Kirby Lanc, and was most excited when allowed to sit in the left-hand seat on an engine run, with the real pilot in the co seat.
Could any aviation geeks please tell if there is some online resource telling you what will be flying where & when?
A couple of times in the Peaks I've been buzzed by WWII era planes (not counting the regular pleasure flights) with no warning (& always when I'm using the wrong lens) & have always wondered if they announce flight plans for heritage planes in advance anywhere.
Thank you both, better than anything else I'd found.
I was buzzed by either a Beaufighter or a Mosquito just below Ladybower on 18th May mid morning, I'd assumed it was the RAF BBMF, no mention of either on their site though (it had the D-Day paintjob too). That's what made me start looking, & now the plot thickens.
**edit - I bet it was their Dakota actually, I never realised they have such similar arses & I've just noticed what could be windows on my (shit) photo.
"That was the main reason I guessed it was a Beaufighter first! My first thought as it went over was "blimey they really got the in game engine noise right didn't they?"
The Beaufighter was nicknamed "The Whispering Death" (by the Japanese?) because it was so quiet when approaching a target.
I was at an airshow in clofrnina once where,on stepping into a Dakota to what would ave been my late Dad's "office" as Navigator/radio operator it felt as if he was looking over my shoulder and nodding his head.
The formation of B-17's and B24's joining up after takeoff the next day was another occasion for goose-bumps.
Lord, pardon my neglect.
I do not willfully forget
All those who fought to keep me free
Who live now just in memory,
Photos on a yellowed page,
Forever young, though others age.
Let they who died that I might sleep,
For whom yet wives and children weep,
In glory with brave comrades stand,
A silent Guard around our land.
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Lovely poem Cortland,
I lost an uncle, who was a RAAF Lancaster pilot flying with the RAF (97 Squadron), shot down over Germany,in Jan 1943 and never found and a man whom I would never meet (I was born 20 years later).
Whilst I have yet to see a Lancaster flying, the Australian war memorial has a fairly complete Lancaster called "G for George". There is a rumor that they may in the near future take it out as a static display and restore for flight purposes.
Quite right. The ear-shattering racket of a Eurofighter Typhoon climbing on full twin afterburners is just so uncouth in comparison.
I was once on the M27 just passing the end of the runway at Southampton airport when the Lancaster took off heading for Bournemouth. I honestly ducked inside the car...
On the way up the M5 once, just as I got to Michel Wood services a pair of Apaches came in from the west and turned hard above the motorway, following it (and me) north. I was almost convinced that I was about to see them start to strafe the traffic, I was just looking for the flash of something being launched because every other time I've seen them do that has been on TV in a war zone.
Put the wind right up me I can tell you!
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