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Windows Server 2003 is due to reach the end of its life in July next year. Microsoft will no longer support the software, which means no further patches or security updates and a security risk and compliance headache for businesses. A surprising number of companies will be affected unless they get their act together and …

  1. big_D Silver badge

    Since 2003

    That is the big problem, kit gets bought and forgotten until it breaks. Then you aren't just talking about upgrading the OS, you need a whole lot of extra Cap-Ex for hardware. That is a major cost for companies, even if the hardware was written down over a decade ago.

    I know of servers still running SUSE installs from the turn of the century and even a couple of DEC Alpha minis from the mid-90s, because they are still running, the owners of the servers don't see a need to migrate to something newer. Even thought they are mission critical, because they haven't failed in the last decade, they seem to think they won't fail in the next decade either!

    I managed to get a small business to migrate from SBS2000 to SBS2010 at the end of last year!

    No updates? No worries, it is a server, users can't infect it! :-(

    The job of an admin is never easy.

    1. Vince

      Re: Since 2003

      You did an amazing job then considering there is no SBS 2010 ... presumably you meant SBS 2011. The smarter move would have been moving away from the EOL SBS product entirely.

      1. big_D Silver badge

        Re: Since 2003

        Yeah, typo... I did try and get them to move away, especially as they are fast reaching the maximum CAL limit as well...

    2. rizb

      Re: Since 2003

      Mention the term "risk assessment" to those companies.

  2. Roger Greenwood

    Hardware support

    You would think that as single server hardware gets older and no longer supported (looking at you HP) that would be a big push to upgrade. After all, that's what is most likely to fail.

    1. Sandtitz Silver badge
      Go

      Re: Hardware support

      "You would think that as single server hardware gets older and no longer supported (looking at you HP) that would be a big push to upgrade. After all, that's what is most likely to fail."

      Does HP really offer worse HW support than the competition? The initial warranty for HP Proliants is 1-5 years and can be extended with a support agreement or annual care pack registration. A single failing HDD may be enough to offset the care pack costs for a year or two.

      When it comes to servers I very rarely decommission one because it fails. Likely causes are lack of software support for the old OS (eg. 3rd party support for Win2000), expensive HW upgrades (check the availability and price of SCSI drives or ECC DDR1 for example), memory limits of 32-bit Windows, and obsolescence of the 3rd party software for which the server was dedicated.

      Whether it is cost-effective to continue using say, 10-year-old server instead of replacing it with a faster and/or more energy-efficient model, or at least virtualising it is another thing.

  3. chivo243 Silver badge
    Pint

    One left!

    Thanks to the Reg for pushing articles regarding the EOL for W2k3 servers! I have finally driven the point home that our last W2k3 server will need upgrading. At this time we will have to be happy with 2008r2. I'm not sure this mission critical App will run internally when 2008r2 is put out to pasture. Who knows, M$ may be shown the door by then as well as we have AD just to support this App.

  4. Malcolm 1

    I guess this means goodbye to my Windows Home Server (v1) too. Shame - it's been fairly flawless over the years.

  5. b166er

    Shame to have to retire SBS 2003 really. Glad to retire most of the hardware it's running on though.

    Maybe P2V it with only open ports to Exchange.

  6. Wensleydale Cheese
    WTF?

    "when Microsoft worked with another customer on a WS2003 migration recently, it found that of the business's 27,000 servers it had 9,000 that could be retired."

    Ye gods! A third of 'em!

    A company of that size has probably been paying for hardware and software maintenance on that little lot.

    1. Captain Scarlet

      I wonder how many further servers are 2000, NT they have

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Old boxes

        Where I'm working now they have a few Win2k boxes (one a central file server!) plus plenty of 2003, though also lots of 2008-12. Quite a mix!

        There is a BIG project to virtualise and migrate the majority of the servers to a pair of datacentres, but it's being run by HP and the speed they're going it may be 2003 has gone EoL before that completes!

        Anon obviously ;-)

  7. Halfmad

    "Julius Davies, data centre technology specialist at Microsoft, also advises businesses to use the migration from WS2003 as an opportunity to start making decisions about the future."

    Julius I'd be very careful what you ask for buddy.

  8. Kubla Cant

    I recently spent 6 months migrating legacy applications off WS2003. The main reason it took so long was the lamentable state of the deployment documentation. But I have to wonder what the company was supposed to gain from the upgrade. Retirement of unreliable old boxes? Maybe, but you don't have to install a new OS for that. As it is, the company is 26 * my weekly rate poorer with no measurable benefit to show for it.

    1. phuzz Silver badge

      No measurable benefit sure, but how much would you have ended up billing them if it had all gone tits up? Plus I'm guessing you did document everything that you migrated, so next time someone needs to do something with those applications, it'll go a little easier for them.

  9. Kent Brockman

    But there is no direct migration path for 32bit 2003 to 2012. Which is where we are. 95% of the estate is not upgradeable and would need to be replaced and rebuild. Which is why the business wont sign off on it.

  10. Ken Hagan Gold badge

    Ask a silly question...

    The migration away from XP was made almost impossible by the vast number of (cr)apps that only just ran on XP (or, in practice, IE6) and therefore had to be re-written or replaced before the OS could switch. Since we're talking about end-user apps, there is almost no limit to the numbers of these.

    What's the position for your average server? Any box that is simply filling one of the standard roles (like DC, file server, web server, database, ...) just requires the cash to replace. The only problems would be servers running some sort of bespoke crapware.

    So if you can forgive the (apparent, but un-meant) trolling -- how big a problem is this?

  11. IGnatius T Foobar
    FAIL

    Microsoft FAIL

    The problem with abandoning Windows Server 2003 is that it won't be long before they also abandon support for Windows Server 2008 ... leaving Windows Phone Server 2012 as the only option. I hope all of you sysadmins have your touchscreen servers ready. Or better yet ... start moving your applications to Linux where they belong. :)

    1. Sandtitz Silver badge
      FAIL

      Re: FUD

      "...it won't be long before they also abandon support for Windows Server 2008"

      2008 Server loses support in 2020 after 12 years. So it's only half-way into oblivion.

      Now, which Linux would you suggest with the same or superior support lifecycle?

      "I hope all of you sysadmins have your touchscreen servers ready."

      Nah. In 2020, Server 2012 is probably superseded by 1 or 2 newer Windows releases with everything done with the Xbox controller and Kinect. :-)

    2. Robert Heffernan
      Happy

      Re: Microsoft FAIL

      I recently migrated several physical hosts away from Server 2008 R2 to Server 2012 R2. It was a very painless experience and the extra features in Hyper-V in relation to replication and disaster recovery made it well worth it.

      My colleague and I had three physical servers and all the contained VMs migrated in a couple of hours on the weekend. No in-place upgrade, reformat and reinstall, apply OS updates, install SAN tools, setup iSCSI and reload the VMs. Too easy.

      The Touch interface didn't really get in the road the updated server management tools keep you away from that abomination, and with a liberal sprinkling of Start8 it's as if Metro never existed.

      Next victim on the chopping block is the SBS2003 domain controller.

    3. James O'Shea

      Re: Microsoft FAIL

      "The problem with abandoning Windows Server 2003 is that it won't be long before they also abandon support for Windows Server 2008 ... leaving Windows Phone Server 2012 as the only option."

      Errm... I set up a machine with WinServer2012R2 yesterday. It was a quick, easy, set up, and I have yet to see even one tile.

      I have a pile of WinServer2012R2 books and that server to serve (see what I did there?) as a testbed for the future. I expect that all of our WS2003 and 2008 units will either be scrapped or will be WS2012R2 by the end of the year. The 2008R2 units will probably still be in service for a while yet.

  12. Toddd

    I've used two tutorials in our 2003 migration that I would highly recommend.

    This is the official MS one. Yes, I know :) But it is surprisingly good: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/products/windows-server-2003/

    and this one is a more dedicated to migration process itself:

    http://www.zinstall.com/how-to/how-to-migrate-application-server-from-windows-server-2003-to-server-2008-or-2012

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