back to article Tor is '90 per cent of the net' claims City of London Police Commish – and he's dead wrong

Yet again, someone who should know better appears to be hyping up the size of the so-called “darkweb” to push an agenda. As reported by TorrentFreak, the remarks were made to the IP Enforcement Summit in London. According to that report, among other things, Commissioner Adrian Leppard of City of London Police said: “Whether …

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  1. Bronek Kozicki Silver badge
    Pirate

    Hilarious

    This implies that if you put something on the internet but do not make it available to everyone, using all the appropriate protocols like unauthenticated http, DNS name under official root, easy to parse by search engines HTML format and no robots.txt , that makes you some part of the "internet underground".

    Well I wish everyone was part of this "underground", it is high time we learned how to use the web without exposing everything to everyone.

    1. HollyHopDrive

      Re: Hilarious

      When did anyone use facts when creating (or trying to create) law. If we used proper facts there would probably be less laws and a fair few abolished.

      1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

        I harbor some darknet myself

        I use my personal site to store family/event pics for which I craft the URL and hand it out to friends so they can see the pics.

        The folders in which said pics are stored are not indexed by Google because there is no link to them.

        So I'm a terrorist, right ?

        1. dogged

          Re: I harbor some darknet myself

          The folders in which said pics are stored are not indexed by Google because there is no link to them.

          So I'm a terrorist, right ?

          In Eric Schmidt's world, totally.

        2. Cynical Observer
          Big Brother

          Re: I harbor some darknet myself

          Not only a terrorist - but also damaging the commercial interests of all those media outlets that would like to use your photos without attribution or payment. Just think of all the images that they could "fail to identify the suthor of" if such Deep Web practices were forbidden.

          All hail the media overlords!

        3. alain williams Silver badge

          Re: I harbor some darknet myself

          The folders in which said pics are stored are not indexed by Google because there is no link to them.

          And if you send the private URL one of your friends via their Gmail account ... does google still not index it ? Are you quite sure about that ?

          1. Dom 3

            Re: I harbor some darknet myself

            I've tried this myself. And no, Google never spidered my "googletrap" page.

        4. Jim 59

          Re: I harbor some darknet myself

          @Pascal Monett "dark web" used to mean web sites that were password protected and therefore not routinely spidered by search engines. These forums, for example. However, the media overheard the word "dark web", got very excited, and they now use it to mean anything evil on the net. Durrr

          Which is a shame because now we have no word for - that other thing.

      2. bonkers

        Re: Hilarious

        Ahh, the wonders of policy-based evidence.

        We've seen the evidence now, let's guess what the incoming policy to support it might have been..??

      3. J. R. Hartley Silver badge

        Re: Hilarious

        TOR uses an area of the internet the size of Ireland.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Hilarious

          You can tell when you are anywhere near the Dark Internet, because it smells strongly of hammers

        2. PdxStan

          Re: Hilarious

          NO, NO, NO! TOR uses an area of the internet the size of a Light-Year. At least that is what Commissioner Leppard meant to say. He read it on the Internet.

        3. pacmantoo

          Re: Hilarious

          Does any one know - is that larger or smaller than the amount of data the NSA warehouses each day? Just too lazy to do the maths myself (Note to NSA that's 'math' to you)

  2. corestore

    It isn't 90% of the internet...

    ...but the post-Snowden lesson is that it (or something like it) bloody well SHOULD be!

  3. SuperTim

    Maybe...

    He was just mentioning that the darknet is 90% of the internet that the MET is interested in. They don't particularly care for the rest of the kitten videos and such.

    I personally am glad that the powers that be appear to be a bit slow on the uptake, internet-wise.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Maybe...

      It's not the MET. It's the City of London police, who act like a gang of private thugs and have a whole raft of extremely questionable connections. They make the MET look like paragons of justice and tolerance in comparison.

      1. Christoph Silver badge

        Re: Maybe...

        But some of their connections, publicly and openly acknowledged, are those nice respectable Scientologists ... oh, hang on a minute ...

      2. Frankee Llonnygog

        Re: Maybe...

        It's a pity it's not the Met - coz then he'd be ...

        Leppard of the Yard!

        Another thrilling adventure as Leppard of the Yard drives his trusty Firefox browser down London's dark cyber-alleys accompanied by his (really not homo-erotic) sidekick, Mac Address. Kapow! Blam!

        1. Zog_but_not_the_first Silver badge
          Facepalm

          Re: Maybe...

          Bringing an end to Python's "Being hit on the head lessons" IIRC. Prescient, or what?

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    2. Suricou Raven

      Re: Maybe...

      Met != CoLP.

      The Met is just your basic police force, for the capital. They are mostly concerned with 'the usual' - burgleries, muggings, car theft, the occasional murder. The expected.

      CoLP are a police force for The City, that tiny bit in the middle of London that runs a good chunk of the global economy. They don't do street crime much. Their main focus is on financial and business crime - fraud of various types, insider trading, the crimes that happen when you cram lots of financial businesses together. They are sometimes criticised for having a rather too-close relationship with business (which supplies much of their funding), which goes some way to explain the substantial resources they devote to enforcing copyright law and seizing counterfeit goods. CoLP management considers copyright infringement and the manufacture/import of counterfeit goods to be economic crimes, and thus an area that the CoLP should be focusing on.

      You still might see a CoLP officer on the streets if you're in the City, but never outside. You can tell them from the Met by their hats: Met have the famous blue chequer pattern. CoLP have the same pattern, but in red.

      1. streaky Silver badge

        Re: Maybe...

        I see CoLP bobbies on the street all the time. They do exist - quite commonly actually. Once made the mistake of asking one for directions that every Londoner should know (when I first moved down to London) - absolutely no idea at all.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Maybe...

        Less so now, but being a City of London cop was a nice little number for anyone fortunate enough to be over 6ft tall. Until the mid-90's most of the pubs used to shut by 8PM, the City was deserted at weekends and it was broadly shielded from London's wider social problems.

        These days the height restriction* has been scrapped and they have to deal with alcohol fueled mayhem like every other force in the country.

        * - Before the height restriction was scrapped, some toerags claimed to be able to spot under-cover policemen. All that they were actually doing was assessing strange faces to see if they were over or user the height restriction. False positives didn't bother them.

        1. jason 7

          Re: Maybe...

          Yes I remember back in the early 90's if you were stuck around Liverpool Street station at 7.30pm on a Saturday night the only place to eat/drink in was the Pizza Express about 200 yards away. Everywhere else was shut like a ghost town.

          1. Jan 0
            Pint

            Re: Maybe...

            @jason 7

            Back then it was only 20 minutes walk to the pub with the blackout curtains and lots of male customers wearing boots and blue serge trousers where you could drink until the wee hours.

            Mind you, at 7:30 pm what was stopping you from strolling for 5 minutes to the many pubs in Commercial Street? Better still, it was only 10 minutes to the Pride, with ESB on tap!

        2. Jan 0

          Re: Maybe...

          Perfectly true, except 's/toerag/towrag/'

          I sentence you to 20 years picking oakum.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        I am afraid not

        "The Met is just your basic police force, for the capital. They are mostly concerned with 'the usual' - burgleries, muggings, car theft, the occasional murder. The expected."

        The MET is not. As well as being the largest single force in the country (that allows it to set both its own operational and technical standards and bugger the rest - for good or bad) it also has control over such things as counter terrorism. Having worked with technologies for Blue Light system I can assure you that the MET is not 'just a basic police force'

      4. nematoad Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Maybe...

        "You can tell them from the Met by their hats: Met have the famous blue chequer pattern. CoLP have the same pattern, but in red."

        And if you look very closely you might notice that their buttons and badges etc. are gold not silver.

        Sorry, just getting my anorak.

      5. jonathanb Silver badge

        Re: Maybe...

        Most of the financial sector these days is Canary Wharf (Tower Hamlets), and Mayfair (Westminster). Both are within the Met's patch rather than the City of London Police area.

      6. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Maybe...

        "CoLP have the same pattern, but in red."

        Oh. I thought they were traffic wardens.

    3. Kane Silver badge
      Black Helicopters

      Re: Maybe...@ Super Tim

      Here's the great thing I like about the powers that be; In some instances (NSA/GCHQ etc) they seem to be pretty on the ball as far as teh intarwebs is concerned. They have the ability and/or tech to hoover up as much information about the rest of the world as they want. Then you have total numpties like this guy, who make such hilariously inaccurate comments as he did, that they come across as looking completely inept.

      I'm sure those in the know (again, NSA/GCHQ etc), are absolutely loving comments like this made by highly paid public figures, for various reasons. Not least being that it helps to justify their activities to some degree, but also that it helps garner support in the level of policing/monitoring activites on the net that they take part in.

  4. seven of five

    "[A] threat to our society that we need to take action against?"

    I´d like to know what our society is and why it is threatened by bittorrent. Or tor.

    Then again, maybe I´d better don´t want to.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: "[A] threat to our society that we need to take action against?"

      >I´d like to know what our society is

      I thought there was "no such thing as society"?

      If he doesn't believe in holy iron lady he must be some sort of commie terrorist

  5. wolfetone Silver badge

    He obviously has Jen from The IT Crowd as his researcher.

    1. Mephistro Silver badge
      Happy

      @ wolfetone

      ... Jen from the IT crowd...

      Sorry to dissent, but this gaffe surpasses "Jen level" by a good margin. This is clearly a "Raynholm Junior level" event. I mean, Jen is intelligent but ignorant. This fine gentleman seems to be ignorant AND stupid. Either that, or he was too busy fiddling with his expenses sheet to give any serious thought to the matter he was addressing.

      And Jen is far sexier! ;-)

      1. wolfetone Silver badge

        Re: @ wolfetone

        Oh god yes, Jen is gorgeous. We need more of her on TV!

        But thats by the by. He probably is one of these idiots who thinks the internet is in a small black box somewhere in the world and you could actually break it by either typing Google in to Google or "last page of the internet". The man is an idiot, and if he's in such a well paying job there is hope for me yet!

        1. Frumious Bandersnatch Silver badge

          Re: @ wolfetone

          Oh god yes, Jen is gorgeous. We need more of her on TV!

          Was that her in half-horse-half-human guise in TV ads not so long ago? I guess some people might be into that, but I don't think it was one of her better roles.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: @ wolfetone

            > Was that her in half-horse-half-human guise in TV ads not so long ago?

            Katherine Parkinson also regularly seen as the Doc's receptionist in Doc Martin, at least in one of the seasons.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "He obviously has Jen from The IT Crowd as his researcher."

      I can actually picture conversations along those lines with his esteemed colleagues, not least with regard to anyone foolish enough to try and set him right:

      "Will you stop trying to undermine me, now get in there and do some work to do with comp-uters!"

      1. moiety

        He could hammer corks into all of the intertubes but one; station an Equadorian-Embassy-Style watch around the remaining tube; and stitch the public up for another 6 million quid. Job done.

  6. Amorous Cowherder
    Pint

    Save your breath Reg

    Nice article Reg but save your breath, another government dept hyping up the non-existent bogey-men on "da net" so they can get more money to play with by frightening those with the purse strings. As they say, why let facts get in the way of a good story.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    FUD

    cause I don't believe he's THAT uninformed.

    1. Khaptain Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: FUD

      No, but he definately is uniformed.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: FUD

        He is an uninformed uniformed. Not that uncommon.

        1. Ralph B

          Re: FUD

          But I'm told he's currently very good at being uninformed uniformed. Or: I'm informed he's in-form uninformed uniformed

          1. Imsimil Berati-Lahn

            Re: FUD

            Okay, stop it now.

            It's turning into a Two Ronnies sketch.

            1. Ted Treen
              Happy

              Re: FUD

              OK, it's stopped...

              So it's "Goodnight" from me...

            2. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: FUD

              "It's turning into a Two Ronnies sketch."

              Oh no it isn't .....

              [actually, it was turning in to something funny, rather than a Two Ronnies sketch.]

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            3. Frumious Bandersnatch Silver badge

              re: RE: Re: FUD

              > >> >> > [...]

              Agggh... alt.cascade.overload!

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