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State-sponsored hackers are looking less like traditional hacking crews and more like military units as they share infrastructure and adopt strict hierarchies, according to new research. Infosec firm FireEye has identified links between 11 APT campaigns, including use of the same malware tools, shared code, binaries with the …

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  1. Mr. A

    The Chinese

    They're coming...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Happy

      Re: The Chinese

      They're coming...

      "Battle Beneath The Earth"?

  2. RobHib

    Now for their software library.

    Presumably their software library is both extensive and well organised.

    Spending time examining it would be most informative.

  3. Don Jefe

    Of course State sponsored hackers are organized. Organization will continue to increase in direct proportion to the amount of time since the group was formed. Eventually it will plateau like all other government bodies and be paralyzed by Vogon levels of paperwork. Filling out the correct paperwork will become their primary goal and as long as it has been properly filled out and submitted on time their work will be considered a success.

    Advanced organization works in direct opposition to fluid and responsive actions. Increasing the level of organization beyond the very basics is eliminating much of the advantage of hiring real 'hackers'.

  4. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Some Arms Dealers are Alms Dealers and they be of quite a Different Creed and Breed of Change Agent

    So, the novel virtual quartermaster is a postmodern facilitating entrepreneur. Okay, and ........ is that supposed to be a problem in search of a solution, or is it a solution to a searching problem? What's the beef?

    Welcome to the Future. Get used to its Use of IT and all Manner of Media and Memes, for the Past is Gone and is Dead and Buried Deep to Rot Away in Peace and aint gonna make any sort of a Live Comeback.

    Surely y'all are smart enough to see that, or is that to be mistaken and are you still in primitive sub-prime modus operandi/vivendi.

    No matter, all that is then required is a little extra terrestrial tweaking to twerking and freaking programs to capture and broadbandcast both live and zombie audience shares.

    1. Don Jefe

      Re: Change Agent

      I don't think the past is gone at all. At least 99% of everything Man does is simply a refinement of previous methods: Everything is faster but the goals have remained the same.

      Right now the lack of actual goals is driving all sorts of dumbassery. Conquest is over, known useful natural resources are already owned and Gods don't seem very interested in having everyone in their flock (or dead) any more. The only thing left is 'make money' but that isn't a goal, that's the end result of accomplishing goals.

      Basically we're a bored civilization that is too narrow minded and risk averse to set new goals, we just keep doing the same things over and over. It leads to little tactical changes that do not mean anything in the main, just trundling along on the same endless road with slightly improved axle bearings.

      Civilization as a whole is going to actually have to leave the past and expand its horizons beyond the petty, self-inflicted, problems of today. Unfortunately I don't think Man is ready to do that. They still believe money will somehow change things. It won't. We are living in a past that was defined for us over 2,000 years ago.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Change Agent Phormal Application

        I don't think the past is gone at all. At least 99% of everything Man does is simply a refinement of previous methods: Everything is faster but the goals have remained the same.

        Right now the lack of actual goals is driving all sorts of dumbassery. Conquest is over, known useful natural resources are already owned and Gods don't seem very interested in having everyone in their flock (or dead) any more. The only thing left is 'make money' but that isn't a goal, that's the end result of accomplishing goals.

        Basically we're a bored civilization that is too narrow minded and risk averse to set new goals, we just keep doing the same things over and over. It leads to little tactical changes that do not mean anything in the main, just trundling along on the same endless road with slightly improved axle bearings.

        Civilization as a whole is going to actually have to leave the past and expand its horizons beyond the petty, self-inflicted, problems of today. Unfortunately I don't think Man is ready to do that. They still believe money will somehow change things. It won't. We are living in a past that was defined for us over 2,000 years ago. .... Don Jefe Posted Thursday 14th November 2013 14:49 GMT

        Is it then necessary, Don Jefe, that others then set up the goals and put into motion and universal consciousness the applications if Man is too stupid and too primitive to move on from the past and into the future all by himself in order to to experience a novel present which is not burdened at all by the historical baggage that has created paper debt as a wealth measure of creative credit ...... and as a very convenient and totally artificial remote virtual means of masterly miserly command and control of primitives?

        Would that be a real convenience to cherish and support, such a radically fundamental change, or a phantom worry to be overly concerned about and to terrorise nations with?

  5. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Joke

    Has to be said

    "Now pay attention, Bond. This is our latest collection of zero day exploits for any browsers you may encounter in the field."

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