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A photo-blogger has plastered the mugs of creepy cat-calling men all over the interwebs. Hannah Price, from Philadelphia, decided to post shots of men she claims shouted lewd comments at her in the street. The photographer's website has now received so many hits it has crumbled under the pressure. In an interview with web …

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Essentially it is a caveman mating call, but we're not in caveland any more. I imagine it feels intrusive if strangers constantly feel they have the innate right to judge and comment on your external biological arrangement. And somewhat lame and boring too.

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Judging by some of what goes on in our world I certainely would not say that some people have moved past the Caveman stage.. ( Or should that be CavePerson).

One of the difficulties in this situation lies in the fact that the cat calling is actually a compliment. .

>right to judge and comment on your external biological arrangement

This is actually one of our more primal instincts and nothing will ever change that fact, personally I hope I never stop being attracted to women because of their "external biological arrangement". Nature is full of beautiful things, women are part of nature.....

Cat calling, or wolf whistling, might be a little stupid but I would definately not call it demeaning.

Should we stop all forms of compliments to unknown women ?. Should we also stop smiling, holding the door open etc... For me this is another case of being unnecassarily PC. It is a minor act performed by a very small minority.

This woman is likely to do far more damage then those men.

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I disagree, cat-calling doesn't usually occur where there is opportunity or expectation of further interaction. A chat-up line is a mating call. Cat-calls are often used by males in a group. I would interpret cat-calls as a combination of territorial claim, group bonding, and intimidation/threat to outsiders.

We may all be culture-shocked savannah apes, but is that a reason to tolerate group intimidation?

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>I would interpret cat-calls as a combination of territorial claim, group bonding, and intimidation/threat to outsiders.

Maybe we have a different understanding of Cat Calling. Where I am from Cat Calling is stereotypically what would be expected rom a building worker who sees a good looking woman on the other side of the street and whistles, in a particular manner, to attract her attention. He is hoping that she will react positively even though he knows he doesn't have a chance of picking her up, its a harmless game really... He is being masculine, she is being feminine etc etc One of the Coca Cola ( coke light I think) ads uses the opposite scenario in one of their ads. ( I think it is office women and men window washers, there are several different ads)

I don't recognize any "territorial claim, group bonding, and intimidation/threat " in that. Unless of course we are talking about two completey different scenarios...

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OK, there is a wide range of behaviour, and perhaps cat-calling does gradually fade into chat-up lines at one end of the gradient. However, even your Coca Cola ads feature group behaviour, and, if the call doesn't increase the chances of a pick-up, then it can't be a mating call. It does alert other members of the group, and seeks to increase status within the group ("look what I've found", "see, she recognises my power"). The ad-men are also being deliberately manipulative in the scenario... it's not overweight, middle-aged office women, but the real-life scenario?

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If you were walking down the street where you live, where your 'community' is, the place you call home; then imagine someone called out to you, "Hey cute buns, nice ass you got there, wanna come and sit on my dick?"

I'm sure you'd have a little 'secretly pleased' smile on your face and be happy that you were still attractive enough to induce sexual desire in a man. Remember, it's a compliment.

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For the moment the only thing discussed is women/men who do not accept Call Calling.

What about the people that actually do find it acceptable, the women that feel flattered, the men that accept the attention, who then in turn respond favorably to the attention ..

I agree that Coca Cola, like most advertising, are being manipulative but they are suing techniques for which they know that the masses will respond. That doesn't mean to say they are correct but it is hard to deny that the fact that they do know their audience. They are appealing to some very basic instincts and they are usually very successful with it..

>It does alert other members of the group, and seeks to increase status within the group ("look what I've found", "see, she recognises my power")

I agree in principal with your argument but you mention it as though it is a bad thing.......We are only animals after all.

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It is not a game if there is no choice whether to participate. Ignoring a comment aimed at you that you obviously heard is recognised as a response, so the target has no choice about participation.

Some men enjoy boxing as an expression of their masculinity, is it acceptable for me to walk down the street punching men in the face because some might appreciate the attention? No, we have boxing matches where all participation is voluntary. We have other events, such as wet T-shirt contests, that people who appreciate cat-calls can enter.

We are not only animals, we are the story-telling chimpanzee, that changes the world through our stories. We have more effective responses to exciting situations than screaming, jumping up and down and throwing shit.

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Khaptain, it is intimidating. It is not complimentary, flattering or reassuring. It is threatening and unpleasant.

Rosie

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@AGD

Again I agree in principal with some of your arguments, but

>It is not a game if there is no choice whether to participate. Ignoring a comment aimed at you that you obviously heard is recognised as a response, so the target has no choice about participation.

As soon as we walk within any public place we are subjected to such actions. It might be kids making fun of the colour of your coat, a passerby smiles at you in order to convey his happiness, a group of skinheads who scowl because you walk to quickly ...... There are a million occasions in which you have no choice about participation. It's part of living in society, we have no control over these events. The world would be a very boring place if we did.

>We are not only animals, we are the story-telling chimpanzee, that changes the world through our stories. We have more effective responses to exciting situations than screaming, jumping up and down and throwing shit.

Agree, we are highly evolved animals but our evolution did not change our primal instincts, they have always remained. The survival of our species depends on only one vital instinct, procreation. There needs to be an attraction between the opposite sexes. There will always be mating calls and rituals of one kind or another, they are part of the pro-creation rituals.

The mating rituals may differ in relation to social upbringing and what is acceptable for one might not be acceptable for the other.

Where do you define the line between what is accetable and what is not. ( I do agree that there has to be limits but it is an extremely difficult task to define them)

CatCalling = non-acceptable

? = acceptable

@Rosey

I presume that you are simply speaking for yourself... I am not convinced that the whole of woman-kind would agree. Some women loath the idea of being completely ignored... There's plenty of bimbos/starlets/wanabees that can testify to that...

I think that what is worrying is contemporary societies, western, ironic refusal of anything like Sharia law but at the same time it's acceptance/revival of Victorian values.

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"Cat calling, or wolf whistling, might be a little stupid but I would definately not call it demeaning."

As a guy who doesn't suffer it, that's not a call you get to make for the opposite gender.

"Should we stop all forms of compliments to unknown women ?"

Generally, yes. It's intimidating and can be extremely threatening if done in private or -for example - on a dark street.

"Should we also stop smiling, holding the door open etc."

You are comparing an apple and an orange. Shouting "Nice tits!" across a road is rather different to smiling to someone who serves you, or holding a door open.

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"What about the people that actually do find it acceptable, the women that feel flattered, the men that accept the attention, who then in turn respond favorably to the attention ."

We can't cater to that without causing offence to the majority of others. So their fragile little ego is going to have to learn to cope without morons publicly objectifying them.

reductio ad absurdum (and I admit that this is a very extreme example): Some women might quite like being groped in public. Therefore if we want to grope a woman in public we should be allowed to, because some people might enjoy it.

Street harassment is a problem. Not for me or you, but to a lot of quite timid women who just happen to look pretty, it is a revolting and unpleasant experience. It is NOT cool to shout compliments at strangers.

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"Some women loath the idea of being completely ignored... There's plenty of bimbos/starlets/wanabees that can testify to that..."

So what your saying is that because some women quite like being treated like trash and pieces of meat it should be ok to publicly treat all women like that?

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>As a guy who doesn't suffer it, that's not a call you get to make for the opposite gender.

I can't think of any reason for which men can't be on the receiving end. You personally might not but this is definately not a gender specific issue.

>"Should we stop all forms of compliments to unknown women ?"

By including "in private - on a dark street." This completely changes the context which has no bearing to my intial question/remark.

>You are comparing an apple and an orange. Shouting "Nice tits!" across a road is rather different to smiling to someone who serves you, or holding a door open.

As I previously mentioned Cat-Calling where I am from is usually guys whistling at women, you have pushed the barrier much further and moved into another context.

>We can't cater to that without causing offence to the majority of others. So their fragile little ego is going to have to learn to cope without morons publicly objectifying them.

Ah, so you pick and choose what you cater too according to what ? I honestly don't imagine that it is the "majority" of women that suffer from CatCalling either, so we probably shouldn't cater to them either. You are delibarately picking and choosing your victims, it's either one law for everone or for no-one.

>Some women might quite like being groped in public.

And now you have really upped thte game and we are suddently talking about groping women.. That is a far cry from a guy whistling across the street and completely out of context.

>Street harassment is a problem. Not for me or you, but to a lot of quite timid women who just happen to look pretty, it is a revolting and unpleasant experience.

Please define the word "harrassement" it is a vague term which I am sure you would be unable to define in a manner in which everyone would eventually be capable of stating that they suffer from it.

Timid people suffer from timidity, any public exposure will create a problem for them ,I think it would be extremely rare that a timid person was cat called after, they usually do not portray the kind of characters that interest CatCallers. Again timid people are a minority, according to your remarks we should not cater for the minority.

>It is NOT cool to shout compliments at strangers.

No one is saying it is cool, those are your words.

>So what your saying is that because some women quite like being treated like trash and pieces of meat it should be ok to publicly treat all women like that?

Again you are using your own words to describe what you "think" is in the mind of someone else, major mistake.

I have never seen anyone pay a compliment to or whistle after someone that they consider as a piece of trash or a piece of meat. This is pure conjecture on your behalf.

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"Again you are using your own words to describe what you "think" is in the mind of someone else, major mistake.

And yet you don't think it's a mistake to make overly broad statements based on your opinion such as; "Timid people suffer from timidity... timid people are a minority". I claim you have no way of knowing. Further, I claim you would have no way to know if a timid person was merely making a catcall or wolf whistle just so he would be seen as 'fitting in' with his 'boys'. Also, I don't think you quite understand the problem.

I have never seen anyone pay a compliment to or whistle after someone that they consider as a piece of trash or a piece of meat. This is pure conjecture on your behalf.

No, I'm sure the people in your circle only catcall and whistle at people they hold in the highest esteem because that's the most respectful way to communicate and get a woman's attention. Then again, perhaps they don't have a pair big enough to walk over and introduce themselves in a civilized manner that isn't threatening.

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>Timid people suffer from timidity

Ok then in your book timid people suffer from what exactlly if it is not timidity?

>Timid people are a minority

They are certainely not a majority, or at least not in the world that I live in and because of the work and activity then I am involved in I meet many varying people from many varying backgrounds everyday.

>No, I'm sure the people in your circle only catcall and whistle at people they

1st I do not belong to the group of people that Catcall or Whistle at others.

>that's the most respectful way to communicate and get a woman's attention

If thats the only way in which some people can gain attention from others then so be it.

>Then again, perhaps they don't have a pair big enough to walk over and introduce themselves in a civilized manner that isn't threatening.

Not all men were born Casanovas

Todays PC brigade have become experts at knee jerk reactions whereby the commonest of actions is to be condoned. As the saying goes people that live in glass houses.........

I have never met anyone that is perfect and that has nothing to hide. On relative scales everyone is a wrong-doer to someone else. Listending to some of the comments and reactions aI am surprised that many of you have not requested for capital punishment to be reintroduced.

The fragility of many people today is becoming frightening. For some strange reason they seem to expect to ive in some kind if utopia witht eh angels.... Unfortunately man is an animal, he is a hunter and gatherer that must struggle inorder to survive. His instincts will always resurface no matter how hard you try and push them down.

I do not particulary condone the behaviour of the CatCallers but I certainely do not condone the behaviour of the PC brigade that would rather stifle anything that remotely resembles some harmelss fun..

Of course the typical knee jerk reaction is to find the most extreme and rare case possible and exemplify it in order to make ones case. Fortunately for the rest of mankind those extreme cases are just that extreme and rare.

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"I do not particulary condone the behaviour of the CatCallers but I certainely do not condone the behaviour of the PC brigade that would rather stifle anything that remotely resembles some harmelss fun.."

Ask your mother, sister, female friends if they have ever been catcalled - which by the way is no longer simply a wolf whistle these days. Cat calling is intimidating to the recipient, the men who cat call know this by the reaction they get (walking faster, looking away, hunching shoulders, etc).

As a man you don't experience this, you have no idea what it feels like. The men, young, middle aged or old, are bigger than me, if they don't like my reaction what will they do? This is the thoughts reported by women who have started saying, "I have every right to walk down the streets of my community without feeling harrassed and intimidated."

This is not harmless fun for us! and while some may enjoy the attention (or pretend to to avoid an unpleasant reaction) the truth is very few women are flattered by the attention.

If you wouldn't like it happening to your sister or mother, don't stand by when it happens to a stranger.

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@Khaptain, sure, we are subject to many interactions without choice but the society we build together forms a consensus on what is acceptable behaviour and what isn't. There's a scale, some behaviour is classified as criminal, some is subject to group disapproval, some is welcomed. Personally, I think that non-consenual targeted behaviour that I know most targets find intimidating should be discouraged, and, from the other comments and votes here, many seem to agree with me. Your views seem like a throwback to a time when women were seen as subordinate to men.

"only one vital instinct, procreation" Hmm, I suspect our survival at the moment depends on suppressing our basic instincts to grab as much food/resources as we can, and to use the biggest weapon we can find against anyone who tries to stop us, in favour of efficient resource allocation and peaceful cooperation, but that is rather off topic.

Which Victorian values were you thinking of? The child labour, women as husband's property, the dark, satanic mills, or stealing entire countries? The manners and polite society were available only to the privileged few. Being able to walk along the street without feeling threatened should be available to everyone.

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If you wouldn't like it happening to your sister or mother, don't stand by when it happens to a stranger.

I'm afraid it's a waste of time AC, I don't think he would care. There is a point when sociopathic problems like misogyny simply don't allow a person to differentiate between treating someone with respect and subjecting them to public ridicule through objectification. It's much the same as not knowing bullying from just joking around. It likely stems from an upbringing that blames women for all of man's ills, as most religions do, combined with 1950s ideals of outgoing children living in a suburban myopia never to be exposed to the world outside where cultures and people's attitudes vary. Empathy, some people have never heard of it and they wouldn't be caught dead walking so much as a yard in someone else's shoes.

To be honest, I can almost understand the sheltered upbringing bit since I had an aunt who died in the late 90s, both her 90s and 1990s. To her last day she simply couldn't understand what was wrong with calling someone a nigger and she just blamed folks for being too sensitive if they took offense. I guess the equivalent of "too sensitive" today is being part of the "PC brigade".

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Seem to be a lot of people in modern society who only date through online dating sites and who consider real world (non virtual world) attempts to meet a mate as being weird. The modern world has moved ahead us, Khaptain. The old world, the one where we approach people in person, is much more fun.

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@ADG ( Quote from wikipedia - It says precisely how I see what contemporary society is moving towards)

Historians now regard the Victorian era as a time of many contradictions, such as the widespread cultivation of an outward appearance of dignity and restraint together with the prevalence of social phenomena such as prostitution and child labour.

In relation to the world population, I agree. But with something like an "increase of 200 000 people per day, it is quite obvious that the primal instinct to is a strong as ever. Unfortunately the growing lack of resources does not worry many of the worlds population..... They have problems controlling their instincts.....

@Eddy Ito

>I guess the equivalent of "too sensitive" today is being part of the "PC brigade".

You have summed it up perfectly..... ironic that same "PC Brigade", "Too sensitive" crowd usually also belong to the religious crowd that you mentioned further up.

>To her last day she simply couldn't understand what was wrong with calling someone a nigger

Calling someone a name means nothing, what is important is how those words are used. The word nigger, although socially acceptable many years ago has now become taboo. The fact the word has become taboo though does not change the attitudes of those that use/used it, and this noes not necassarily mean that their attirude was negative or derogatory..

I grew up using the word "handicapped" to describe those with a disability, today they have been given the title "mobility challenged" or something similar. Has that changed changed anything about the way that I see those people, of course it hasn't...... My attitude has not changed, only the words. Apparently today it would be a social faux pas to call someone handicapped.

Now think about those who are catcalling, do they really want the woman, to "show her tits" as mentionned above. Of course they don't. From what I have seen and experienced it has never been more than idle banter or fun. OK, there may exist etreme cases but the extreme cases are no longer catcalling....it then moves into the realm of psychological disturbance or similar, which is not this issue of this article.

The PC Brigade will keep pushing issues like this because they believe that it will resolve what exactly ? Contemporary society has far more important issues to worry about than issues like this.

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Are you a woman? No? Then you don't get to decide what is demeaning or not, regardless of your intentions. Thsi is not unncessarily PC, believe me. Try reading Everyday Sexism to see the degree and the never ending stream of comments, calls, gropes, pathetic, creepy offensive behaviour. In fact, try being a woman for a day and then you get to decide what it feels like to have soemone wind down their window and shout out "nice tits love", or to be told in a meeting your momentary lack of recall is a "blonde moment".

This woman is not doing more damage than these creepy men, but your response doesn't do anything for your gender.

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The calls are not aimed at you, perhaps that is why you don't recognise any "territorial claim, group bonding, and intimidation/threat " in that. But, unless you are working to help reduce them it doesn't matter what you think, it's what it feels like to have them made to you. *You* are not the important one here, sorry to break the news.

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Please....please tell me there aren't a whole pile of these offensive posts from you all the way down this thread. These techniques are not usually successful. Or at least they are only successful in making young girls and women worried, grimy and depressed about some of the men in this country. Don't worry, we've already written you off as a waste of space and DNA.

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I'm pretty sure Rosey is speaking for most women, pretty much certain it's most women you'll ever meet. You are setting back male evolution decades with your sad, sad attempt attempt at justifying shouting things at women.

"CatCalling = non-acceptable

? = acceptable"

Nothing, nothing is acceptable to shout out at women. You may not have evolved past Orang Utan but most of us high functioning men and women can manage whole hours at a time without feeling the need to bellow out across the street to someone about their pert arse or where I'd like to stick my tongue.

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Nice comment but can I just point out that this doesn't affect just timid women. It affects young girls, old women, brave and mouthy women too. But while you are pondering about the day's work, or thinking about your elderly granny, or even if just trying to cross the road and some git shout something out, or gropes you on the bus we can all be knocked back into shock and silence.

It's geneuinely shocking to hear some of the comments, but it can be physically shocking to have a strangre shouting at you (regardless of content) and you mentally reel, and even the quickest of us can dry up with a smart retort because of fear or shock.

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Strewth....a Daily Mail reader personified. It must be exhausting rationalising your behaviour like this, despite people telling you that your assumptions are wrong :-

1) No-one has said that men don't get sexually harrassed - it's on a very different scale to that experienced by women but is still relevant. This article is about a women calling out men though. Stay on topic.

2) This sort of harassment (calling out names, insiduous touching up, groping, whistling, etc) happens at any time if the day. When you're feeling rough with a hangover, on the bus, in a dark alley, at night, in nightclubs, anywhere and everywhere. You are the one applying limits.

3) Since complicated words are confusing you, let's call it all harrassment, since that's what it is. It includes whistling, touching, groping and the shouting out of actions or even parts

4) Yes, read Everyday Sexism (have you bothered?) and you'll see every age of women and every type of woman has been affected in one way or another. Don't make assumptions. This isn't just about someone tottering along in a short skirt and high heels, it's going to the corner shop in no make-up and trackie bottoms, it's in school uniforms, it's while holding your child's hand.

5) No, groping is not out of context, it's right in the middle of the context. I know so many women who will say they were on the bus or tube and thought they might have been touched up (or had body parts pressed against them unncessarily) but they were so shocked that they tried to convince themselves it hadn't really happened because civilised people don't behave like that. But they do.

6) Yes timid people get shouted at, as do mouthy ones, and old oens and young ones, and those with big boobs and those with small boobs, it is never ending. Stop trying to tell us what happens, try listening!

Lsten, for once, just bloody listen and stop trying to convince yourself that your behaviour is acceptable.

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You know, I don't know if I'm just becoming more repulsed by your justifications or you are just blossoming and allowing us to see more of the inner workings of the Khaptain mind.

"If thats the only way in which some people can gain attention from others then so be it.

>Then again, perhaps they don't have a pair big enough to walk over and introduce themselves in a civilized manner that isn't threatening.

Not all men were born Casanovas"

Let me give you a little advice from a woman (I know, in real life we talk at a frequency you can't hear so you never listen, but perhaps you may read) - calling out anything to a woman (apart from "watch out you're about to get run over!") is not a successful or acceptable way to get her attention and particularly not to chat her up. We will look at you as if you are a creep (for that is what you are) and every orifice will close up to prevent any possible contamination from such a slimy git.

There, advice over, continue...

"I do not particulary condone the behaviour of the CatCallers but I certainely do not condone the behaviour of the PC brigade that would rather stifle anything that remotely resembles some harmelss fun.."

Ah, so if it's fun for you it's okay, but if it's not fun for us we have to shut up because we're the PC Brigade? Really?

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@Bronny,

You sound like a very reasonable person, which would you like to bring back first, hanging or decapitation ?

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@Khaptain, "which would you like to bring back first, hanging or decapitation". Really, that is your response to Bronny's detailed concerns with your previous comments?

I'm sorry everyone, I've been feeding a troll.

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"Ok then in your book timid people suffer from what exactlly if it is not timidity? They are certainely not a majority, or at least not in the world that I live in and because of the work and activity then I am involved in I meet many varying people from many varying backgrounds everyday."

First, understand what an ellipsis is and what it is used for. You claim you know what "the majority" of people are and/or how they feel. I called you out on it because you can't possibly speak for "the majority" if you can't back that up it's bullshit and clear that the cloistered world that you live in must only consist of clones or people afraid to disagree with you. Peer pressure makes people do a lot of stupid things, including catcalling, and perhaps you don't understand that but that doesn't make it less real.

"1st I do not belong to the group of people that Catcall or Whistle at others."

But if it's perfectly acceptable behavior, if not expected seeing as how we're all animals anyway, why do you refrain? If it isn't perfectly acceptable, why do you defend it? Could it perhaps be that you feel it a bit too juvenile? Is it beneath you? What's wrong with letting your inner ape take over? It couldn't be that you're afraid people will think less of you so what other reason could there be? I'm sure the missus would understand, so why not? It's Ok if you don't, it's not hypocritical at all but it is rather peculiar.

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@Bronny.

It appears that the world is a very hostile place for you, personally I can't change that for you nor am I responsable for that, it is actually a very hostile world for all of us. Unfortunately your comment reads like a rant, you express yourself as though you speak for all women, which is not the case ( Eddy doesn't like that idea either).

The general attitude that you give is one of an extremely angry person, no-one can ever hope to discuss anything with any angry person, hence my complete lack of desire to reply to your remarks.

@ADG

Please read back through the various comments and I believe that you will find that the many of the comments were blown out of proportion, citing examples that were not within the context of the article. Again as I mentioned above, far too many times I was replied with examples of the most extreme cases which completely construes the context.

Up until the Bronny "remarks" I read and accepted your statements in an honest manner, I would not consider that as being a troll.

Far too many of the remarks from Bronny and Eddy are skewed in a manner in which they would rather imply something about my character rather than actually construct an argument, it says more about them that it does about me.

@Eddy

Personal insults or their inference do not help your argumentation.

Je vous laisse à vos pensées, bon soirée.

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@Khaptain,

I've implied nothing about your character but only tried to point out what you have already implied through your own words. If holding a mirror to your words insults you, 對不起.

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不需要对不起,我不是侮辱。

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LOL, I never said you were trying to insult me. Either head back to google translate and tell them they were wrong, stick to English, expand your horizons beyond your little world or 草泥馬.

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>expand your horizons beyond your little world

You really can't help yourself can you....

Avez vous, pour un seul moment, reflechi sur la fait que, peut-etre, l'anglais n'est pas ma langue principal ?

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Google Translate est censé faire mieux allant de français au chinois? Je ne le pense pas.

Ou êtes-vous sous-entendez que parler français vous rend plus mondain que d'autres?

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"As I previously mentioned Cat-Calling where I am from is usually guys whistling at women, you have pushed the barrier much further and moved into another context."

If you think that there is much difference between wolf whistling and shouting 'nice tits', you're very much mistaken.

Like I said: You're an insensitive, sexist bloke, so you don't get to decide anyway.

"Ah, so you pick and choose what you cater too according to what ?"

According to the people who are being upset, rather than the minority who don't.

Duh.

Seriously: You're simply wrong, ignorant, and out of touch. Just look at your down-votes and speak to a cross-section of the other gender on their views on street harassment: Make yourself a better man.

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In more civilised times

the perpetrator was pilloried on the market place and after a few days it was over.

Nowadays your life is destroyed by a single thoughtless action, put on the internet by another thoughtless person.

Doesn't matter, if the victim of internet revenge is male or female. A victim he/she is nonetheless.

I wonder how many careers and lifes will be destroyed by this "artist".

The art of victimising. Quite some form of expression, isn't it?

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I wonder how many careers and lifes will be destroyed by this "artist".

The art of victimising. Quite some form of expression, isn't it?

Yup. There's such a thing as a punishment fitting the crime. Now, starting with the fact that the "crime" in many occasions is simply bad/idiotic behaviour - and that there appears to have been no attempt at correcting said behaviour by warning the person in question - this "punishment" appears to equal chopping someone's hand off for stealing a chocolate bar.

I'm perfectly OK with having people told off for something that is not appreciated, but this is certainly not good. Worse, the effect of ruining people's lives is that such people then have nothing more to lose, and may thus turn on the person who enabled this.

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Worse, the effect of ruining people's lives is that such people then have nothing more to lose, and may thus turn on the person who enabled this.

On that, you can bet your life, just as someone did with me.

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@Chairo: a single thoughtless action, put on the internet by another thoughtless person

It's a wise policy to bear in mind that things you do in public are ... public.

If the woman in the story is posting pictures of men who catcalled her in private, then she's invading their privacy. But if, as is probable, they did it in public, there's no privacy to invade.

In these days of ubiquitous camera phones, surveillance cameras and Google vans, the only way to ensure that something you do doesn't end up on the Internet is not to do it in public. Maybe this is a good thing, maybe not, but it's the way things are.

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According to the video, the photographer merely turned around and snapped the pictures of the catcallers and they all appear to have been taken as if she had been walking down the street.

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"Nowadays your life is destroyed"

I've told you a zillion times: Don't exaggerate!

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Bullies are bullies.

X and Y chromosomes don't really enter the picture.

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She certainly isn't anonymous

That has bad idea written all over it. My guess is the last thing she wants is more attention from these catcalling guys yet here she is sharing their pictures with the internet. And why the hell does she bring up race, is her head stuck in the past or something?

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Welcome to the wonderful

post racial utopia that is the USA. </sarcasm>

And of course the only reason a women would complain about harassment is that she want the attention. (Sorry, I lied about stopping the sarcasm. Sometimes, faced with a certain sort of bone-headedness nothing else will do.)

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I don't see why anyone should have their noses put out of joint by a girl putting their mugs on the internet, *if* their photographs were taken when they were in public view and the mugshots are presented 'as-is'. If they don't like the attention they should stop cat calling/wolf whistling/whatever they do to get a girl's attention in public.

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Judge, jury and executioner - that's what's wrong with it. Although I'm the first to applaud efforts at dragging some men into an era which damages their knuckles less when they walk (because, by God, there are still enough of them out there), there is such a wide span for abuse there that it cannot but end in tears.

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"Judge, jury and executioner - that's what's wrong with it."

There is no judge, jury, or executioner, that's the point.

*If* you are photographed/filmed addressing a member of the public in a public place you can not have a reasonable expectation of privacy. The qualifications I made in the original post are there for a reason, also I have not said whether I think this particular website is "right" or "wrong". I'd need a lot more information and time to make a fair call on that.

In general I think that offensive behaviour should be challenged, if only because sometimes it is genuinely unintended and in those cases the offender should be alerted to the harm they are causing and give them an opportunity to make good.

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