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Apple's next version of OS X may provide welcome relief to users dismayed by the company's seemingly inexorable evolution from computer manufacturer to consumer-electronics company, if unnamed sources speaking to 9to5Mac are to believed. According to those sources, OS X 10.9 – oddly codenamed "Cabernet"* in the closely guarded …

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  1. Jim Wilkinson
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    PathFinder

    By far the best. Been using it for years and it's rock solid with a raft of really useful tools.

    1. stu 4
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      Re: PathFinder

      Its ok - I just found it a bit slow.

      I tried this a few weeks ago and find it really great - and free.

      Xtrafinder - tabs, colour, directories at the top, right click create a file, yada yada.

      2 weeks on and I'm loving it.

      1. AbelSoul

        Re: PathFinder

        I had no idea this program existed - thank you for the heads up.

    2. OscarG

      Finder: a disgrace

      There's no excuse for having to use a plug-in or hack like PathFinder to fix glaring and elementary deficiencies in a FILE BROWSER. Finder stands as an insult to users and an embarrassment to Apple year after year.

      A file browser that doesn't even sort properly (with folders AT THE TOP of sorted lists)? That doesn't show you WHERE search results have been found (because there's no path shown for each hit)? That doesn't start searches in the selected folder by default, or even offer that as an option. That doesn't create a new folder within the selected folder when you say "New folder", but instead creates it at the root of the volume (which is often off-screen). That litters your computer and any others you browse with DS_STORE turds, to save display options and other crap instead of storing it LOCALLY.

      What kind of inbred thought process leads a programmer to design a file browser that spews files onto every OTHER computer it visits? That's just offensive. Not to mention a totally defective design, since the next person who browses that same directory will overwrite the turds you left.

      Finder was supposed to be "rewritten from the ground up" years ago. What happened? Nothing. It's the same defective POS it's always been.

      1. AndyS

        Re: Finder: a disgrace

        Got a mac, and installed Ubuntu - Finder was the primary reason. You've covered most of them. Here's a couple more:

        - No single-key way to open a file. Isn't finding, and then opening, files, the main reason for Finder?

        - Drag & drop a file into a folder, it stops exactly where you let go of the mouse button, instead of correctly slotting into the folder list where you would expect (according to the current sort method)

        - No folders at the top? What are you smoking, apple?

        - No tabs - this is hardly the cutting edge of innovation any more

        Since the primary use of an OS is to find and launch programmes and files, getting the browser right is absolutely critical. OSX fails so hard at this it makes baby Jesus cry.

        The whole OS is kind of like this - full of broken philosophy, inconsistent ideas and nonsense user interface decisions. In usability, Windows is a hell of a lot better, and that's not a compliment.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Finder: a disgrace

          Plus Mac OS-X has nearly as many known vulnerabilites as a Linux distribution. About 1,800 now....

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    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: PathFinder

      OS-X doesnt even support touch yet. Lol @ 'power users' on a Mac. Funny.

      1. Volker Hett
        Pint

        Re: PathFinder

        No, powerusers use "touch" in a terminal window!

  2. Greg J Preece

    Holy crap, are they actually going to improve the core functionality of OSX, rather than adding on more and more iOS gimmicks? The next version might actually be worth the upgrade price!

    Just adding tabs isn't enough for Finder, though. That just gives you two panels of the worst base file manager of any operating system. And yes, OSX users, I am including Windows Explorer.

    1. asdf Silver badge

      forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

      > The next version might actually be worth the upgrade price!

      That is if you have paid up on your cool club dues and have bought an Apple recently enough. Otherwise they will try to prevent you from even upgrading. Pretty sad when a bunch of hobbyists can provide a boot loader (Chameleon) that allows me to run the latest Mac OS X on my Mac (still annoying because its basically a hackintosh) but Apple can't. Also pathetic that Linux and even Windows 8 support my Mac but Apple doesn't.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

        It's pretty cost effective to upgrade a Mac by selling it and buying a new one. Unlike the market for used PCs, the market for used Macs is pretty active. It's not uncommon for people to pay half retail for a Mac that's 4-5 years old. I've done this several times.

        And unlike other OSs, it's stupid easy to transfer your stuff from one Mac to the other. Just clone your drive to an external one or whatever, point a fresh copy of OS X at it, and after about half an hour you won't be able to tell the difference between your new Mac and the old one.

        1. Greg J Preece

          Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

          It's pretty cost effective to upgrade a Mac by selling it and buying a new one. Unlike the market for used PCs, the market for used Macs is pretty active. It's not uncommon for people to pay half retail for a Mac that's 4-5 years old. I've done this several times.

          It's OK that Apple force you to buy unnecessary new hardware, because that hardware isn't quite as exorbitantly expensive if you manage to sell your existing hardware after you've forked out for the new one?

          And unlike other OSs, it's stupid easy to transfer your stuff from one Mac to the other. Just clone your drive to an external one or whatever, point a fresh copy of OS X at it, and after about half an hour you won't be able to tell the difference between your new Mac and the old one.

          Oh sweet! So it'll transfer my development environment, and my servers, and my VMs, and my Kubuntu partition, and my Windows one?

          No? Then perhaps upgrades are a better idea.

          1. Darryl
            FAIL

            Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

            And unlike other OSs, it's stupid easy to transfer your stuff from one Mac to the other. Just clone your drive to an external one or whatever, point a fresh copy of OS X at it, and after about half an hour you won't be able to tell the difference between your new Mac and the old one.

            Pretty obvious you don't know much about other OSs then, because you can do that with pretty much any of them.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

              It's not legal with OEM copies of Windows to transfer to a new machine.

              Secondly, back in the XP days I remember a work colleague buying another copy of XP because he had used up his 5 activations (after which Microsoft wouldn't activate his copy). He had the boxed version, not an OEM copy and therefore was properly licenced.

            2. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

              "Pretty obvious you don't know much about other OSs then, because you can do that with pretty much any of them."

              Re: easily transferring data from an old computer to a new one.

              I admit I haven't tried this with Win8 but at least with Win7 it's pretty terrible. It doesn't even transfer your software. What's the point, almost, since it can take hours to run all the installers for all your software. With OS X most programs are installed via dragging and dropping a bundle.

          2. toadwarrior

            Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

            I know, I'm hoghly upset the latest copy of OSX doesn't run on my early 90's mac. They just don't care.

            1. asdf Silver badge

              Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

              >I know, I'm hoghly upset the latest copy of OSX doesn't run on my early 90's mac. They just don't care.

              Oh like the the iPAD 1 not being allowed to run IOS 6. You know expecting OS support for a whole 2.5 years is unreasonable after all or maybe Apple just cares so much they don't want to curse their early adopters with their crap map app.

              1. Volker Hett

                Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

                It's bad enough with iOS5!

            2. asdf Silver badge

              Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

              >I know, I'm hoghly upset the latest copy of OSX doesn't run on my early 90's mac. They just don't care.

              Also did you miss the part where I pointed out that the latest Mac OS X runs absolutely brilliant on my hardware once I hacked around Apple's attempt to try and force me to spend another $2500? Completely artificial constraints and why their share price is falling like a rock under Tim Cook. He has all the douchebaggery of Jobs without any of the talent.

              1. ThomH Silver badge

                Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

                The oldest supported machines for OS X v10.8 are mid-2007 iMacs and the newest unsupported machine is a just-before-early-2009 Mac Mini. So the most harshly affected purchases were a shade more than three years old when the OS came out. Given that we're talking official support, not how well the thing runs, that's harsh when you consider that Windows 7 and 8 have the same official minimum requirements and Windows 7 came out just shortly after the newest of the unsupported Macs.

                I guess the £25 cost-of-entry explains support and testing cuts at Apple's end but it's hard to call it fair treatment.

                1. stu 4

                  Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

                  not strickly true - older macs are still supported - support means OS big fixes, security patches, etc. And they all still happen on pre-lion.

                  Yes, you can't put lion on them, but that doesn't mean they are unsupported.

                  1. asdf Silver badge

                    Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

                    >not strickly true - older macs are still supported - support means OS big fixes, security patches, etc. And they all still happen on pre-lion.

                    They only support the last two versions (an 'n-2' support policy, where 'n' is the latest version of the OS) with bug fixes and before anyone mentions Microsoft (who are crappy also in their own way and trying to be like Apple now) I would point out Microsoft doesn't release a yearly service pack and calls it a new os just to end support. In fact Microsoft still offers bug fixes for an operating system that is now a dozen years old. The big difference is Microsoft is still largely a software company (lol surface fail) and Apple is a hardware company that only uses software to sell hardware.

                  2. Dana W

                    Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

                    I've got an 07 Mac Media player that runs Lion.

              2. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

                @asdf, would you mind sharing what you did? :-)

                1. asdf Silver badge

                  Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

                  http://www.jabbawok.net/?p=47

                  I warn you first thing back everything up and make sure you have an os x dvd to boot off just in case. The process is not trivial and was kind of PITA to get to work. I am able to get updates just fine but it still usually requires holding the option button down when I boot and having to selected the correct disk (bless command doesn't seem to take permanently for some reason). Good luck and who knows if this solution will work with the next Mac OS. Apple seems to be locking down the OS more and more to squeeze blood from turnips and probably soon won't allow booting a disk with a MBR at all.

                  1. asdf Silver badge

                    Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

                    One other thing I forgot don't use the chameleon version he lists there as it is old now and orginally written to work with the DP. Get the latest version at http://chameleon.osx86.hu/

          3. Volker Hett

            Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

            "Oh sweet! So it'll transfer my development environment, and my servers, and my VMs, and my Kubuntu partition, and my Windows one?

            No? Then perhaps upgrades are a better idea."

            If you know how to clone a drive, it does.

        2. asdf Silver badge

          Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

          >It's pretty cost effective to upgrade a Mac by selling it and buying a new one.

          Yeah because that is not a hassle at all. I thought the whole point to Apple was avoiding the hassle.

          1. Dana W

            Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

            Its not a hassle, I have people WAITING for my old Macs. If I wanted to I could put it on Craigslist in a few hours.

            1. asdf Silver badge

              Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

              >If I wanted to I could put it on Craigslist in a few hours.

              Nobody creepy ever shops on Craigslist either.

              1. Dana W

                Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

                They can be as creepy as they want as long as their money is green. Anyway, that's a worst case scenario. I have people waiting for the Macs.

                Anyway, I always carry when I do a Craigslist deal and I only take cash.

                1. Jamie Jones Silver badge
                  Facepalm

                  Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

                  "Anyway, I always carry when I do a Craigslist deal and I only take cash."

                  That's ok then

                  *rollseyes*

                  1. Dana W
                    Meh

                    Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

                    God forbid I don't get robbed by criminals and teener chavs like civilized people. Rolls eyes indeed.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

            How is that hassle? selling your house is hassle, selling a computer isn't.

            1. Greg J Preece

              Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

              How is that hassle? selling your house is hassle, selling a computer isn't.

              Twit.

              I know you're an Apple user, but some of us actually do stuff with our machines. I'm a programmer. My machine triple boots, and there's a development environment in each. I've got an extensive number of programs, configurations, customisations and such going on to make that machine usable for what I do. Do you have any notion of how long it takes me to fully set up a new machine? It is not the half hour some people in here are claiming.

              1. Dana W
                FAIL

                Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

                @Geeg J Preece Gert over yourself, a lot of people triple boot their Macs.

                And a lot of us do REAL WORK on them too. OSX and Lnux are easy and fast to set up. You want to cut down the massive set up times. Ditch Windows.

                And what does that have to do with how easy its is to sell a used Mac? You nevre addressed All you did was tell us how you do real work and how special a snowflake you are.

                1. Greg J Preece

                  Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

                  And what does that have to do with how easy its is to sell a used Mac? You nevre addressed All you did was tell us how you do real work and how special a snowflake you are.

                  Given that you can't even spell "Greg", I'm going to assume you can't bloody read either. It isn't about how hard it is to sell a Mac; it's about having to sell the Mac in the first place to get the latest OS when it's an artificial lockout by Apple, and how saying that they hold their value better is weak fanboy justification for that.

                  I need the latest Mac OS X, regrettably, for work. I can't be ditching my machine and getting a new one every time Apple feel like forcing me to do so. My "real work" point was to illustrate that I can't use the consumer-oriented methods of moving across, and I shouldn't have to either. The Windows OS you deride so easily doesn't make me do this, and neither does Linux.

                  Would you like that in crayon?

        3. Dana W
          Happy

          Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

          That's how I do it, I get 50% of my original cost back at the three year mark and I buy a new one.

          1. big_D Silver badge
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            @Dana W

            And after 10 years, I just upgrade the OS on my non-Apple laptop... Windows cost 19€ and Linux was free. Both run very well on the old hardware.

            My 5 year old iMac wasn't allowed to get the last OS update...

            1. Dana W
              FAIL

              Re: @Dana W

              You are running a ten tear old computer? And you thumb me down because a five year old one can't run a 64 bit os on a 32 bit system?

              You eat a lot of pot noodles don't you?

              1. asdf Silver badge

                Re: @Dana W

                >because a five year old one can't run a 64 bit os on a 32 bit system?

                If you are talking about the original Mac Pro desktops they can run a 64 bit OS just fine (have both linux 64 bit and Mountain lion running great on mine) The only thing 32 bit on the machine was the POS hacked up EFI Apple unwisely chose for it (unwise for all but shareholders I guess). As formerly mentioned luckily there are plenty of hacker hobbyists boot loaders that allow you get around the fail that is EFI in general.

        4. Mark 65 Silver badge

          Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

          "It's pretty cost effective to upgrade a Mac by selling it and buying a new one. Unlike the market for used PCs, the market for used Macs is pretty active. It's not uncommon for people to pay half retail for a Mac that's 4-5 years old. I've done this several times."

          I have a macbook from 2008. Get me half retail price and I'll happily sell it. No? Didn't think so. You may get ok money for a top of the line macbook pro but not much else.

          1. Dana W

            Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

            The sweet spot is three years old for Max return.

          2. Fai

            Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

            Macbook Airs from 2008 are going for around £3-400 on Ebay. That's almost halfway to a new Macbook Air. I know because I just sold one - and there's others going for a similar price.

            1. Greg J Preece

              Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

              Macbook Airs from 2008 are going for around £3-400 on Ebay. That's almost halfway to a new Macbook Air. I know because I just sold one - and there's others going for a similar price.

              Except that those original 2008 Macbook Airs sold for thick end of twice the price of the current 11 inch baby ones. Nice try at twisting the numbers, there. What was that about recouping half the cost again? Can you hear me through the reality distortion bubble?

              1. Dana W
                Meh

                Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

                I've sold my last three three year old Macbook pros for 50% of cost, can you her me through the Microsoft reality distortion bubble?

        5. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          People moaning about the cost of Apple hardware

          I've still got my two 2008 iMacs running fine. Sure they cost 1400 sovs when new but 5 years for a consumer device that's used for a miminum for 4-5 hours every single day is not bad going. Just given one of the old iMacs to my little one as her personal machine. The only thing I've had replace in the last 5 years was one keybaord after some twat dropped sticky coke on it and the RETURN key broke.

          Got a couple of 13" white Macbooks, both bought in 2009 and after 4 years of use with no upgrade the drive finally blew on one of them, not bad going. On to Amazon, £35 for a new 2.5 HD, a £1 for a Torx driver and sorted that problem. One of these machines with it's puny little 2GB of memory is still used to edit photos from a full frame DSLR while I'm out and about on camping trips. My images often exceed 1GB while I'm editing them in the latest Photoshop CS6. a 4 year old machine with a 2 year old O/S and still running fine. The batteries are just starting to go funny which again is not bad for 4 years service, so I'll be on Fleabay looking

          for a couple of cheap Far East replacements soon.

          People moan about the price of Apple desktop hardware but like anything if you look after it it will last you and provide years of service. You might well call me a mug for buying expensive Apple kit but I'm not on the upgrade treadmill, my boxes get used until they finally die a natural death after long and productive lives.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: People moaning about the cost of Apple hardware

            I've still got my 2006 Acer Ferrari running fine. Sure it cost 1200 UKP when new but 7 years for a consumer device that's used for a minimum of 8 hours every single day is not bad going.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Devil

              Re: People moaning about the cost of Apple hardware

              @AC with Acer Ferrari: I've still got my 2006 MacBook (not Pro) running fine. Sure, it cost me £600 second-hand, but 7 years for a consumer devide that's used for a minimum of 8 hours every single day is not bad going.

              :-)

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