You'd think they would be lasting to the world how many phones they sold.....
Samsung has failed to keep under wraps sales totals for its Android-powered phones that are locked in a patent dispute with Apple. In a particularly snippy filing from long-suffering Judge Lucy Koh, she made it clear that she did not think the South Korean electronics behemoth had a good reason to keep the info secret. Sammy …
Wednesday 2nd January 2013 18:28 GMT Vimes
I'd be more interested in how much Samsung earn from installing bloatware on their unlocked handsets. It's bad enough that the operators feel the need for customised firmware that conveniently includes the sort of crap we wouldn't normally want to go anywhere near, but now the handset makers seem to be getting in on the act too. And each system update from Samsung Germany includes these apps so I have to go through each time and remove them, and all presumably because Expansys got my 1st gen Galaxy Note from Germany.
That is unless of course somebody could explain to me how a taxi booking service app or a hotel finder app constitutes a core part of the OS, which is what Samsung tried to pass them off as when I contacted them to complain about this. I tried to get them to justify them including the apps in system updates but this was the best I could get out of them. I can't even use the apps - even if I wanted to - since they're clearly aimed at German users.
Wednesday 2nd January 2013 18:39 GMT David Hicks
I knw you shouldn't have to do this...
But if you root the phone and install an app called SDMaid (IIRC) you can delete the crapware, even if the system doesn't want you too.
I too have a German galaxy device, a Note I bought when I bought in Australia from a hong-kong vendor and have brought with me back to the UK. None of these places require a german taxi app...
Wednesday 2nd January 2013 19:22 GMT peter 45
Wednesday 2nd January 2013 21:12 GMT Dan Paul
Keep it secret as long as possible Samsung!!!!!!!!!!
Why should Samsung be required to provide proprietary business information so that some Apple-ite judge can use it against them?
As I understand it, all parties in US Legal proceedings get the right to protect themselves from self incrimination under the 5th amendment to the Constitution.
Giving your enemy a means to calculate the "sum certain in damages" is self incrimination. The fact that the Judge is asking for this info practically proves that she is working for Apple.
The only way to solve all these cases is to use the logic of Solomon and make each side pay the others legal bills and donate ONE BEEELLION DOLLARS to the American Debt Relief Fund.
Oh, and publicly name each company as "Vexatious Litigants" so they get their asses handed to the court the next time they show up.
Thursday 3rd January 2013 08:29 GMT Anonymous Coward
Thursday 3rd January 2013 08:29 GMT osx86
Thursday 3rd January 2013 10:57 GMT Silver
This could be fun
Samsung has no problem boasting about "devices shipped" which is not a particularly helpful metric since 1 phone shipped ≠ 1 phone sold.
Finding out how many phones they actually sold, why the disparity between shipped vs sold and what happens to all those phones which are shipped but aren't sold could be interesting reading.
Monday 7th January 2013 11:19 GMT Tim Bates
Re: This could be fun
>Samsung has no problem boasting about "devices shipped"
Very few companies have problems boasting about that. Apple does it too, except when they're boasting about being sold out.
>why the disparity between shipped vs sold
Pretty easy - they simply don't know. They aren't marketing them directly to customers, and they really don't care if a reseller sells them on or just sets fire to them.
Besides - the whole court case will be about units produced, not resold. Apple are going to demand royalties on every one manufactured, not just the ones Joe Public got to play with.
Thursday 3rd January 2013 14:15 GMT Keep Refrigerated
Long-suffering Judge Lucy Koh
It is my understanding is that she's allowed the circus to continue whilst she allowed the clowns to run the entire show and keep the antics going... yet she keeps complaining about the noise.
Yes, poor Judge Lucy Koh, will they please stop asking her to perform the duties of a judge on this case, it's all a bit too much!