Yeah, "even Minecraft, whose creator Markus Persson claimed Microsoft is "trying to ruin the PC as an open platform".
He said that shortly after he mentioned in a Rock Paper Shotgun interview that he hadn't even tried Windows 8.
The big question. You are happily trundling along with Windows 7 and everything is fine. Should you upgrade to Windows 8, at Microsoft's tempting price of £24.99, or $39.99, for a downloadable copy? There is always the safe option of leaving well alone, but tell that to anyone who regretted installing Windows Vista and had to …
I've never shot myself in the foot, but I'm pretty sure it's an incredible bad idea.
Just because someone hasn't tried something doesn't mean they can't hold an opinion. I've NEVER owned an apple product. But I hold the opinion that I would never own one because they are too locked down for my usage patterns.
Similarly, I've tried WIndows 8 (extensively, and professionally) and I don't like it. There. Suck on that. You're welcome to disagree but just because you've tried something (especially if you HAVEN'T touched it because you disagree with it entirely) doesn't mean you can't hold a valid opinion.
And what does using a particular version of Windows have to do with someone thinking that MS is trying to ruin the PC as an open platform? I don't need to "try" UEFI-boot-key-locked-loaders in order to know that they aren't an "open" platform.
"If you don't like it and have tried it that's fine by me. I don't care enough to suck on anything you have to offer."
Ahh, but you can't say that you don't want to suck on anything Lee has to offer, because you haven't tried it. When you've tried a good long suck, then it will be fine for you to declare that you don't like it?
Working backwards: What has UEFI got to do with what people are calling an Open platform. Most programmes still work on Win 8, as stated.
I held an opinion about Apples shiny-GUI-on-a-UNIX platform before I worked with a Mac. I then worked with it. I now have had that reinforced. I can now say with some authority that it sucks as a platform and, if Apple do not move from it in the next couple of years, it is going to be a 'what's that OS called again? OS2, no OSX, yes that was it. Named it after cats, that's right. It's a pussy now init...'
And if locked down is your problem, then hold on, money dictates that lock down is the way to go. Ask Google - they know everything!!!
If no one were allowed to voice and opinion about something until they had had direct personal experience of it, then I doubt we would have many comments here on anything. The sensible option is to agree to a variation of what Pericles of Athens is reported as saying: "Although only a few may have the skills to initiate or decide upon a policy; all may comment on it."
Upgrading as soon as its available on my subscription - running the release preview and have become used to its changes - a small learning curve, but like the live email and calendar tiles, the screen snapping is well thought out and very useful on a large display... battery life when undocked is a little better, boot, hibernate and restarts are slightly faster, all in enough small tweaks to make it a good update.
Even though I can get it now from MSDN.
1) I don't do touch. My stonking great finers really don't work all that well with tough interfaces.
2) If I did install it then the first thing I'd do would be to install a start menu app and get rid of metro.
3) Why bother when I'll be working with Server 2012 and there is no way any of my customers would let 'metro' or whatever it is called and all its crap media/social apps anywhere near their servers. None of the mare 'connected' to the internet anyway so why bother?
4) If it ain't broke don't fix it. Win 7/Server 2008 is fine. There are no compelling USP's in win 8 that would make me want to upgrade.
5) not impressed by their 'cool shiny, me too, press here and let me take over your whole screen' approach to desktops.
(yes I know I can get round most of it. I did spend a week with it but it failed all of MY, repeat MY usability tests).
My experience is the diametric opposite. I write software, so use the keyboard and mouse a lot, even forgetting to do touch on my Samsung Slate when really absorbed in work.
All of the apps I use a lot are pinned to the task bar. System tasks are accessed through shortcuts I've managed to memorise quickly (http://www.wittenburg.co.uk/Blog.aspx?id=fb1c365c-dbd7-45ef-be95-03b294fe4697).
Apps I use occasionally are in the first group of tiles in the Metro UI. My bookmarks in the second, and the remaining odds and sods follow. Games bring up the rear, because I only go over there when I'm bored (not often). The upshot is that hitting the Windows key and typing works well to find an app, but I never seem to use that. Apps have familiar locations, and the mouse almost goes to the right tile without me even looking too hard.
The best thing about W8 that I only just discovered is being able to create an image that includes my drivers, network config etc, and then restore to that image by clicking a button (I rebuild my dev box *at least* 4 times a year).
Each to their own, obviously.
1) I don't do touch. - Yes, i occasionally pick my nose also.
2) If I did install it then the first thing I'd do would be to install a start menu app and get rid of metro. - Me too.
3) Why bother - nuff said.
4) If it ain't broke don't fix it. Win 7/Server 2008 is fine. Agreed
5) not impressed by their 'cool shiny, me too, press here and let me take over your whole screen' approach to desktops. & take over everything else. Agreed
Im grateful Microsoft only interfere with the computing industry, in any other discipline I think they'd be laughed out of court instead of all the way to the bank.
And the most childish and unusable too.
Forcing the MetroUI on Windows Server 2012 shows just how out of mind people at Microsoft under Steve Ballmer control really are.
WindowsPhone7.x had 2-3% market share at best... and Microsoft is telling lies that everyone loves Metro and everyone wants Metro ?
WindowsPhone8/WinRT8 on smartphones and tablets is just another big Zune failure... actually worse than that.
Microsoft deserves to go bankrupt on the whole Metro fraud thing.
"Microsoft deserves to go bankrupt on the whole Metro fraud thing."
No they don't. If they did, the disruption on the lives of the employees that lost their jobs would be far greater than the disruption caused to your life by a UI you don't like. Also, if you think MS being overzealous with metro rollout and marketing is a crime worthy of bankruptcy, then god knows what consequences you would suggest for other businesses (and MS) that get up to things far, far worse than that.
If you don't like it, then don't use it. Simple. If everyone else takes the same approach, then the market will speak for itself and MS will either be rewarded for giving people what they want or punished for not doing so, as has happened with several of their products that have failed to catch on (fortunately without bankrupting them).
Let's suppose Microsoft did end up going bust over Windows 8.
Emergency legislation probably would be rushed through, dedicating Microsoft's former IP to the Public Domain; that would take care of any immediate availability problems. Absent the Source Code, though, Windows would be unmaintainable; so there would still be a long-term need to migrate away from it, sooner or later.
Firms would most probably employ local programmers to help with the migration effort. Local people spend their money in local stores. They eat in local restaurants, drink in local pubs and take their families to visit local tourist attractions; ensuring that money which ordinarily would have been sent abroad to Microsoft, remains in the local economy. This money provides employment for sales assistants, catering staff and tourist guides, all of whom are necessary to enhance the now-flush programmers' "spending experience".
> Emergency legislation
"Going bust" doesn't mean disappearing in a puff of smoke. It just means the company can no longer pay its creditors, so needs to be "liquidated". If there are valuable assets, they will be sold to raise money to pay the creditors - (which is why all the bitching and moaning about sharkish financiers dropping by and ripping into the corpse - as opposed to holding up the taxpayer to come up with cash, which is supposedly good value for money, one wonders how - are retarded). There might be "Qatari Windows 9" for example.
Far better companies went bankrupt for no real reason and had much better products.
Microsoft employees the majority of them only deserve to be fired.
The minority that can make products like Windows7 working will surely find a better job in other Companies/Corporations.
The other ones are just suckers. Lazy suckers.
Apple had 0% of the smart-phone market and the tablet market, and decided what everyone needed.
I applaud MS for taking the bold move and pushing what they think is a step forward, even if it IS crap. If nobody tried to revolutionise for fear of failing, we would not get anywhere.
F hate this site, Do Not F wipe the text out when you press forward or back by mistake (it goes grey just to take the Pss when you click on it gets deleted)
users do not like change, they take the system back and get an windows 7 system (not typing all what i just did)
Having used Window 8 preview for nearly a year now I can say I won't be recommending anyone to downgrade to this poor version on Windows. Like all even numbered version, wait until Windows 9. I rarely used the Metro/modern interface as it clogs up 50% of the screen with awful colored blocks and makes the other 50% completely useless. Ribbons do not make things easier, they merely waste time with their illogical ordering of useful commands. I'll be sticking with Windows 7 unless 9 shows improvements.
Hate MetroUI, and don't want to be railroaded into a Microsoft dependency for my movies, music, apps, games.
That is what they are trying to achieve with this. Windows 8 will introduce Metro apps, Windows 9 will remove Win32, and everything Microsoft makes will then be reliant upon it.
No thanks. I won't be part of their statistic that they give to developers to try and convince them that writing for this years runtime is what they want to be doing...
"That's the thing here, like it or not, Microsoft Windows is a monopoly.
Thus if you don't like it, you're pretty much ****ed."
Errm... There are _lots_ of people who aren't dependent on Windows. I, personally, have quite a few computers, most of which don't run Windows. And of the ones which do run Windows, one is still running XP (and will continue to do so until it dies; as it is a well-constructed and well-maintained box, I suspect that it will continue to serve for a long time) and others are running Server 2003 and Server 2008 (all the servers are, like the XP machine, hand-built systems so I know _exactly_ what's where 'cause I'm the one who put it there, and all of which are also unlikely to die any time soon) and the others are running Win 7. Unless and until there is some software which requires Win 8 I simply will keep using the existing systems. My non-Windows systems mostly run BSD and Mac OS X 10.6; Apple can kiss my ass before I contaminate my machines with 10.7 or 10.8. Yes, this means that I have no support from them. Look real hard and see how much I care.
The two Betas will be upgraded to the full version and the Windows 7 machines will stay as 7.
If you have a Windows 7 machine there is pretty much zero reason to change unless you need to smear fingerprints over a new glossy touchscreen monitor, but that's your perversion not mine.
If however, you have an older laptop dual core laptop with 2GB+ of ram running XP or an older copy of Vista then I think its worthwhile to upgrade that for the better performance and security features alone.
Once you repoint all the default Apps to the desktop ones its fine to use.
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