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Apple has been criticised before - but never for promoting original sin. Seemingly emboldened by upcoming national legislation on blasphemy, Russian Orthodox Christians have defaced the logos on Apple products because they consider the bitten Apple to be anti-Christian, says Russian news agency Interfax (in Russian). The …

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  1. Spoddyhalfwit

    Such accusations from a religion that uses the image of bloke being executed?

    1. Peter Storm

      Also, these idiots don't even know their own religion. The Bible never mentions an apple. It's just the fruit of the tree of knowledge.

      Those wacky God-botherers , what will they get up to next.

      1. Captain Hogwash

        Even more specifically, fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

      2. Simon Harris Silver badge
        WTF?

        Those wacky God-botherers , what will they get up to next.

        Whinging about Spongebob Squarepants apparently!

      3. Reg Blank
        Headmaster

        @ Peter Storm

        From what I remember, in medieval English "apple" didn't refer to apples as we know them today, instead it was a word that applied as a generic term to fruit. It was only later when this generic term for various fruit was applied to a single type and became the apple we know and love.

        1. cortland

          Re: @ Peter Storm

          Just as one man's meat is another man's poisson.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Religion? A pox on ALL your houses

      As opposed to that religion where followers go around the streets shouting 'Death to Arabs' and slitting the throats of hapless Palestinians they come across in the streets?

      1. moiety

        Re: Religion? A pox on ALL your houses

        I seem to recall it was originally a fig tree anyway.

        1. Ru
          Angel

          Re: Religion? A pox on ALL your houses

          "I seem to recall it was originally a fig tree anyway."

          It would be appropriate. God Hates Figs, etc.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            FAIL

            Re: Religion? A pox on ALL your houses

            I talked with my local Father a while ago about this. Adam and Eve is a parable and never really happened. I'd like to see these orthodox twits blaspheme their way out of THAT one!

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        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Religion? A pox on ALL your houses

          Well let me put itthis way, if a trained representative of the church who has been in their service for a few decades, in a few different countries doesn't know the score, then they're in a worse state than I thought they were.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I think the generally accepted story about the logo is that it is an Apple bitten by Alan Turing.

    But I'm sure the church wouldn't like that either given he was gay.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Apparently it's nout to do with Turing.

      I do see now that it's blatant that it could be to do with Adam & Eve ... but maybe it says something that most people reading would have gone for Turing over the Bible story!

      1. Goldmember

        "Apparently it's nout to do with Turing."

        Indeed, but as Jobs is no longer around to dispel that rumour, Apple could use that explanation if this ridiculous farce ever caused them any trouble.

    2. It wasnt me

      Interesting......

      I thought they just nicked it off the Beatles.

    3. Tom 7 Silver badge

      The apple bitten by Alan Turing.

      I think they've done more damage to computing than that achieved.

  3. Paul Johnston
    FAIL

    Fish

    Shouldn't they draw little fishes rather than crosses?

    Bill Hicks we miss you!

    1. Simon Harris Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: Fish

      A colleague at work just showed me the Darwin Fish car emblem.

  4. Jon Press

    Original sin

    Since Apple claim to be the origin of everything popular, this makes perfect sense.

  5. tkioz
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    Ugg... must such idiots pretend to speak for my faith?

    1. John Bailey
      Thumb Up

      Yep. For as long as you allow them to.

    2. brainbone

      RE: "idiots pretend to speak for my faith"

      And you are surprised by this? Idiots flock to superstitious faith like flies to ....

  6. Mystic Megabyte Silver badge
    FAIL

    AFAIK no apples are mentioned in the book of Genesis

    1. 404 Silver badge

      As Always...

      ...It's all in the interpretation. Whether it's lawyers, priests, mullahs, commentards, whatever, it means what they say it means

      - not for or against, my beliefs are my own.

    2. Elmer Phud Silver badge
      Alien

      Apples

      I'll have you know they are Cox's apples -

      God would not bother with anything other than true English apples would he?

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: Apples

        "I'll have you know they are Cox's apples"

        Oi! You just leave Brian out of this!

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    4. Simon Harris Silver badge
      Coat

      Apples...

      "AFAIK no apples are mentioned in the book of Genesis"

      Although I bet Noah wished he had a mac when it started raining!

      I'll get my coat... it's made of plastic.

      1. Paul Johnston
        Go

        Re: Apples...

        As long as it is only made from one material!

        Deuteronomy 22:11

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sweet Baby Jesus!

    Holy unusual situation isn't it?

  8. Big_Ted
    Angel

    oh dear........

    El Reg definately heading for the naughty step for allowing such phrases as below

    Jesus Phone

    St Steve

    Church of Apple

    1. Hieronymus Howerd

      Re: oh dear........

      *definitely

  9. aahjnnot

    There's nothing wrong with cultural sensitivity

    Many organisations change their logo or name to avoid causing offence in certain cultures. The Red Cross is the Red Crescent in some countries, and, in the UK, Robertson's jam dropped the gollywog (am I allowed to use that word without traumatising delicate El Reg readers?) some years back to avoid offending shoppers.

    Cuddly toys are offensive in the UK. Crosses are offensive in Islamic countries. Bitten apples might be offensive in Russia. Get over it. Just adapt to people whose values are different from your own.

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
      Holmes

      I draw you a Mohammed!!

      > Just adapt to people whose values are different from your own.

      I have no intention to adapt to people whose value is being professionally offended in the name of $DEITY and who go out of their way to tell me about it in no uncertain terms. I would rather use a daisy cutter on them.

      1. Bakunin
        Devil

        Re: I draw you a Mohammed!!

        "... I would rather use a daisy cutter on them."

        And there we go. Each side is as bad as the other.

        You know you could just say you don't agree or put forward as rational reason why it should be different.

        Or of course we could all go back to just flinging faeces around the cage and civilisation be damned.

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      1. S4qFBxkFFg

        Re: There's nothing wrong with cultural sensitivity

        As in, golliwogs.

        I had one as a kid, probably still in my mother's attic somewhere.

        (I doubt they have any effect on children, I stopped playing with it long before I had any idea they could be regarded as a caricature of black people.)

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: There's nothing wrong with cultural sensitivity

          Yes, I had one as a child in the 70s. The racist, sexist, homophobic 70s - just look at some of the TV sit-coms that can't be shown anymore and wonder if this time is to be held up as a paragon of virtue where everything was right and proper.

          Golliwogs are grossly offensive you'll be hard pushed to find anyone - particularly anyone who isn't white, generally anti PC, male and commenting on the internet - who will defend them.

          1. Valerion

            Re: There's nothing wrong with cultural sensitivity

            > Golliwogs are grossly offensive you'll be hard pushed to find anyone - particularly anyone who isn't white, generally anti PC, male and commenting on the internet - who will defend them.

            A shop near me had them for sale quite recently. There was a huge fuss made by the council (any prizes for guessing we're in Lib Dem land here?) and by the shopping centre and by various local mouthpieces who all wanted them banned from sale.

            The local rag got involved, went out and quizzed a whole ton of black (coloured,negro,african,whatever pick your own damn word) people as they went past the shop. Nearly all of them couldn't give a shit that it was for sale and supported the shop keepers right to sell them. They, like most of us, had grown up and moved on. It's no more offensive than a Barbie doll is to a thin, blonde white woman.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: There's nothing wrong with cultural sensitivity

              @Valerion - Go and look how golliwogs have been used in literature - Enid Blyton in particular. If you are not offended and think that it's all great, that's fine however a lot of people are seriously offended.

              There was a Richard Herring's Objective on Radio 4 about the golliwog, I suggest you look it up. The program deals with the situation with humor, trying to rescue things which have been lost to us, or that are deemed offensive. The only one in two series that they have not been able to "rescue" was the golliwog, it just carried too much baggage.

          2. toadwarrior

            Re: There's nothing wrong with cultural sensitivity

            I'll defend them because a doll can't hurt anyone. Freedom of expression and art doesn't just apply to what some people like. Many people find violent video games to be obscene and offensive. Should we ban those? I guess frankie boyle should be hung for making a career out of being offensive.

            Btw, you can still find them for sale. Usually in rubbish areas. I saw them at great Yarmouth and ironically one of the shops selling them was operated by someone with brown skin. I think most people realise it's a relic from the past and don't really care about them. Especially if they can earn cash from it.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: There's nothing wrong with cultural sensitivity

              If you think that a caricature can't hurt anyone, why do you suppose that they're used so often in propaganda?

              It may not be a case of seeing a golliwog and presuming that all the people represented by them are some silly comical stereotype, it's more subtle and pernicious than that. It's part of a slow drip, drip, drip eroding decent opinions and portraying "others" as not the same and not worth as much as "us". Were it to be an outright racist slogan, I would probably have less of a problem with it, you can see this and react against it, giving a child a toy which degrades others is much more damaging in the long run.

          3. Simon Harris Silver badge

            Re: There's nothing wrong with cultural sensitivity

            Yes, I had one as a child in the 70s.

            I had one too back then. But in a (probably rather accidental) attempt at politically correct disability awareness, I think mine ended up with only one leg.

      2. aahjnnot

        Re: There's nothing wrong with cultural sensitivity

        Gollywogs (soft toys based loosely on exaggerated African stereotypes) were found in every child's bedroom in Britain 50 years ago but are now widely regarded as grossly offensive to the point where a broadcaster and daughter of a former prime minister recently lost her job for comparing an interviewee to one.

        1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

          Re: There's nothing wrong with cultural sensitivity

          I think it was always the comparison that was considered grossly offensive. The dolls just got caught in the cross-fire. That is, it was easier to remove all the dolls from society than remove all people who were wont to make offensive comparisons. (Perhaps the latter approach would probably have been better in the long term.)

        2. Woodgar

          Re: There's nothing wrong with cultural sensitivity

          The difference here is that people from Africa actually exist, and it can be demonstrated that the soft toys you mention are an offensive racial stereotype, whereas the offensive nature of the bitten apple only exists inside the heads of a few people who chose to find the image offensive, and as such has no basis in reality.

          1. Dire Criti¢

            Re: There's nothing wrong with cultural sensitivity

            Offence itself is purely in the heads of the offended. It exists nowhere else.

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