Too crap or too new?
It’s that time of year again when the Autumn leaves begin to fall and a young man’s thoughts turn to a shiny new iPhone. Or perhaps, this year, something running Windows Phone 8? Redmond's new baby is also just about to be thrust mewling and puking 'puting into the world and thus anyone shackled to a recently inked two year …
Too crap or too new?
I mean the Windows version obviously...
Not available yet...
Never mind the new WinPho8 handsets, I would rather my Lumia 800 than that Fisher Price phone!
Doesn't matter if it's not available yet
"some just launched and some that have not quite made it to the shelves of Blighty’s shopkeepers yet"
This is an article on iPhone challengers. The only thing any Windows Phone challenges is credulity.
Since the phones aren't released yet and the reviews have been positive, I can only assume you made your opinion based on not liking the colour ;)
The Lumia 920 comes in Red, Yellow, Black, White or Silver
..how long this review sat on the editor's desk awaiting publication..
And.. "iPone 5 challengers" and not "iPhone Killers" that we're so accustomed to reading about
If you insist I can recall the last few iPhone killers I read about. One was someone's hand killing the reception, one was someone's pillow causing it to burn out and one was gravity causing it to explode.
The author missed the LG Optimus G?
Good to see people innovating - Apple have just been tweaking for a while now.
I'm going to be in the queue for one of those, what the reviewer doesn't mention is as well as the tablet, it also comes with a detachable keyboard, so you've effectively got a phone, tablet and (admittedly 10") net-top in one package.
Any ideas on a release date?
There are some being sold online already, but the price is horrendous. It's almost cheaper to import from Taiwan.
I'm surprised that Three haven't got the padfone in their product lineup.
Their "The One" package gives you unlimited mobile internet, including tethering and this device would be perfect on such a tariff
You sure 'The One' includes tethering as when I asked they said NO.
Is it technically tethering when the tablet is merely a dumb shell with a display>
I have Three's "The One" tariff and can confirm tethering is included. best tariff ever
From the Three website:
"If you're on The One Plan you can use the internet when you're out and about with other devices including laptops, tablets and games consoles, just by connecting them through Wi-Fi or USB to your phone. You can tether on all our One Plan tariffs including our one month rolling SIM plan."
However, When I signed up for this I was clueless about the tethering and mentioned that I had a 3 MiFi dongle. The girl offered to see if that was due for an upgrade. Luckily it was still a few months off, cause if it had been due then I would have signed up for another 2 years on that!
Now I know better
Something along the lines of "10 Samsung GS3 challengers or HTC challengers" (what ever was released first) as Apple is late to the party and the iPhone 5 is a catch up phone as they have almost no innovation (compaired to what has already been released this year) in this model ...
I was genuinely surprised that Apple didn't have a real WOW feature or 2 for the iPhone 5.
Android makers have been playing with stylus, screen dimming based on your eye position, NFC et al.
Not saying that Apple necessarily needed to use *those* features, but I expected something innovative.
I agree. I mean, the idea of the article is okay - given how much hype Apple unfairly get, it's good to give some to the other platforms. And anything targetted at trying to convert sheep waiting for the next Apple feature phone is fine by me.
But "challenger"? It implies that Apple's is the best, which is pure opinion, and not really supported when you look at the evidence, as you say. And if they mean in terms of market, then the Iphone has never been the number one platform; nor has Apple ever been the number one phone company. The mainstream media have been spinning that myth for years - but I'd hoped better from the Reg!
Is you can turn off Sense. No SD card slot in this day and age is a crime, really is a shame HTC dropped the ball on that, but Samsung picked it up. The S3 should be an editors choice but at least you were honest in saying you like and are bias to HTC.
I like them, but this one (desire HD) will be my last in a long line. Sense is just bloaty and horrible now.
".....Sense is just bloaty and horrible now." Yes and no. I like our HTC phones but I have removed Sense from mine, but my wife asked me to put it back on her phone as she preferred it. A quick check amongst friends, colleagues and family seems to show that techies want to remove Sense whilst non-techies are quite happy with it. So it seems HTC can win both camps as long as they keep Sense relatively easily removeable, and the non-techie camp seems to be a much larger target market than the techie one.
No it's not. It's a minor issue that only a select minority of users care about. That's why phone makers - even Android ones - don't view it as a must-have feature.
I don't know about the other phones listed, but I'm under the impression that at least the Galaxy S3 and the Xperia S allow USB On The Go (USB OTG), if you want to order an appropriate cable. Making your own is possible, but varies in difficulty depending on how much glue the makers of your spare microUSB cable have decided to use at the male end. Short pin 4 to ground, solder it to a female USB A, and you're good to go.
Okay, it isn't elegant, but arguably more versatile than just a microSD card slot, in that you can use card readers and USB thumbsticks. Keyboards and mice, too.
Upgradable storage is too obvious to even be a point of contention with any other bit of consumer electronics.
Yet for iPod wannabes it seems somehow more tolerable. There's really no reason for it.
Expandable storage means that someone that is not that adaptable to begin with can continue using the device they've already gotten used to because a device is less likely to become obsolete.
Expecting people to constantly adapt to new devices every time their requirements change or tech changes marginally. Now that is silly.
Sure some users are more demanding. They are also more likely to be Android users.
As cool as it is to plug my phone into a powered hub and a 3TB hard drive is, it's just not as practical as having more internal storage.
Although it's nice that Android vendors don't get in the way of this kind of thing too much. A 128G thumb drive is awkward but still doable.
While it is nice to see Nokia slowing down their march into oblivion by producing an Android phone, the offering is a bit lame:
- 1.3GHz ARM11 CPU is an ARMv6. This is the same generation CPU that is found in the R-Pi and budget phones.
- 4in 360 x 640 screen is also something I'd expect to see in the phones in the budget range, not something that aims for the higher end of the market.
On paper at least, there is nothing there at all to justify the price tag of 4x the likes of ZTE Skate or Blade.
Symbian Belle. Android doesn't have the chops to run that beast. Nor does WP (yet).
I think you've missed the point. This phone is all about the camera. It's a truly remarkable little imaging device, the most innovative thing to be seen on a phone in a long time. In many respects it's better than the vast majority of compact cameras, and it's certainly the best snapper on a mobile phone ever.
It's lamentable that they'll not be putting this to good use in an Android device, and that even the WP8 version is crippled by comparison, but that doesn't take anything away from their achievement in developing the thing in the first place.
Nokia PureView 808 Vs Lumix LX-5 - comparison:
They give the nod to the PureView. Heck.
Nokia would have a great product if they ditched the phone part and packaged the tech to compete with ruggedised 'action sports' type compact cameras- the sort you might take up a mountain. Its surely easier to protect a camera with no moving optics against shock and dirt ingress.
"Android doesn't have the chops to run that beast."
Its a camera, not a space shuttle.
The only difference to the OS is the size of the files, everything else is handled by the camera app and the camera firmware.
You're missing the iPhone 4S from your list.
Or did a lot of those phones look like iPhone clones, by which I mean, as much like iPhone clones as the Samsung handsets did.
".....a lot of those phones look like iPhone clones..." They don't, but I'm sure that won't stop Apple trying to keep them off the market with a little lawfare.
They so do look like iPhone clones!!! Don't you know Apple invented touch screens, user interfaces, rounded corners, the colour black etc? Typical fandroid!
I would have an 808 if only they were available on contract. Made do with a 9320 and playbook instead.
Totally agree tho its gonna be a great buy if there are a few more price reductions.
I've really enjoyed my N8 and until Lumia has full fat PureView I won't be changing.
All of these make the i5 look a little bit sad.
PS are we still allowed to "High-5" someone, or will Apple claim it is too close to their phones name and sue us??
Will never, ever touch an android phone without the word nexus in the name.
Bitten too many times.
Agreed. Galaxy Nexus is still better than this re-heated pile. When the new Nexus arrives in a couple months Apple will look even more pathetic.
"When the new Nexus arrives in a couple months Apple will look even more pathetic."
Possibly not, if the article below is anything to go by. I'm hoping that is just an alternate Galaxy Nexus (like how there were SLCD and AMOLED Nexus Ones.) They're usually announced/released around November time and my Nexus S contract is up in Feb, so plenty of time to find out.
Having had two HTCs, I'm not going to risk getting another one.
My next phone will be an S3 or Note 2...
I've had two HTCs in a row:
1. Ye olde Hero (custom ROM to keep it up to date, sill in use by with friend),
2. HTC Desire S. Which was an okay phone, but HTC cuts some corners with the hardware, and had gone too far with their built in apps, such as essentially hard coding the button in the contacts list that normally will launch maps or navigations apps (whatever you have installed) to their own Navigation app, which you have to pay for!
My contract was up, so moved to a Galaxy SIII, and very happy with the phone.
I would say I have the same comments the reviewed had regarding the Home button and the case. Why have a hardware home button when the menu and back buttons either side are touch and light up? odd! And the case, the back at least is a bit too shiny, so can get a little slipy and attracts fingerprints like mad.
But the rest, the performance, including battery life, the OS etc. Very happy with. (2.5 days per charge on average for me).
I also disagree with the reviewer with regards to the Samsung tweaks to the OS and apps. I've had no issues whatsoever in switching from HTC to Samsung, and all the apps I've used so far have been fine, so much so I've not replaced any of them yet, unlike on the HTC. In fact I'd say Samsung do less harm to the OS than HTC does, their efforts seem a lot more subtle that HTC are.
Ah well... I guess the release is a bit far off (Oct?) and for some reason people want to call the Notes "Phablets".
It seems to me that the Note is about as big as you can get and still put it in your pocket so, to me, they are phones - although maybe I have big pockets. I'm saving all my pennies for the Note II.
Tried the iPhone but too limited for me (and pisspoor at making/receiving calls in my rural setting).
'people want to call the Notes "Phablets".'
These people need to be hunted down.
It is a very hybrid device, phone, tablet and stylus capabilities, so Phablet is not such a bad idea.
It's no worse than Netbook or UltraBook.
I have never used a Telephone/tablet as much since I bought the Note.
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