Fool and his money are easily parted ...
Does anyone feel umbrage that Apple will be the only supplier of adaptors to bridge its new, nine-pin and old, 30-pin dock connectors at the outset? You do? For heaven's sake why? Even iLounge, the site that made the claim that this will be the case, says it's an "initial" deal. In other words, Apple will - naturally, since …
Fool and his money are easily parted ...
You really that tight? A small, cheap device that allows you to continue to use your older equipment / docks etc.
Guess you moaned when they dropped parallel and serial ports and just gave you USB - move on.
Hell, money is no problem for fanbois. Already paying a premium for your phone so just buy new docks from apple.com. Don't be tight and just get an adaptor!
What was the reason for changing the port in the first place, ie. what was wrong with the old one?
I really believe Apple is not doing enough for its shareholders and should charge more for its products. Each new model should be considerably more expensive that the previous one. Apple owes it to their owners to test Apples current popularity to the max. By ramping up prices to the max. I'd love to see just how far they can go. I really think their customers will pay through the nose just to have that 'Apple' brand near them.
The reason for the new connectors is that they'll be easier to use (reversible) and more robust. In other words, the customers will benefit
The question is for you, not me. I'm not the fanboi paying over the odds for a product with a "name", and then getting fleeced again just to use 'older' equipment. I don't moan about it ... since I don't buy Apple (or indeed any company that invents a new way of screwing customers, instead of thinking of the customer).
Here we go. Hemorrhdroid reality distortion field in full force. You guys seem to change your tune daily.
If some Apple fan makes the tired old crack that you guys buy Android because you can't afford an iPhone, you're immediately all up in arms, throwing back examples of how top-end 'droids are just as expensive and that you chose Android because you prefer it to Apple, not because you can't afford it.
Fast forward to an article like this and all of a sudden, Apple phones are overpriced and subject to the 'idiot tax'.
Come on then? Which is it?
I just did a cursory check of a few phone resellers and the 4s and Siii are priced more or less comparably. Siii is actually a bit more expensive, which is to be expected because it's a newer phone.
As for Apple pushing up the price of the iPhone each time it releases a new version? Nonsense. They've kept the price pretty consistent for the last two or three releases. You'd have more credibility if you got your facts right before posting.
Impotent ranting and downvoting on Apple articles that have nothing to do with Android seems to be pretty much the norm for most Reg commentards, so do feel free to downvote the living shit out of me. It'll make you feel powerful, I'm sure. I'm going to be disappointed if I don't make it to at least 40 downvotes just for the hemorrhdroid crack.
Yay! First downvote. Thank you sir. Keep them coming. Only 39 to go.
yeehaw! I hear the sound of nails being banged head on...
very very true. Like standards compliance, us commentards like to flitter like flies to the next smelly turd...
or so we think. 'member the fondle slab introduction when all and sundry (admittedly myself included) slapped hands to head in complete bewilderment. Now, we realise that the End User is king, and us IT folks are the unwilling pawns, evangelists and harbringers of change for the sake of change - I have yet to find a good simple email client that works well for the visually impaired, yet a client of mine with a humble (and venerable) Acorn has a stunning client which colour codes a conversation thread AND will change between voices when the screenreader is initiated.
Change is inevitable. Change is not necessarily progress, either.
BTW, I hated my Android phone when I got it when i found it wanted to sync my contacts to google...benign or aggressive, the (robber) barons call the shots and all we can do is suck it up and relate the bad news.
A monkey in a cage easily rattled...
An innocuous article--about some tiny bit of inexpensive, non-electronic, kit--but one with the word "Apple" in the title, rapidly elicits spittle-spewing/poo-flinging reflexive responses... Oh, quelle surprise!
40 isn't even trying. I got 49 down votes for having the timmerity to point out that the motor car was patented when it was invented, and that modern cars contain many patented parts. That hasn't lead to lack of competition in the marketplace but the idea seems to drive them insane.
ofc - you meant "temerity"!
I'd have expected £15 at least based. Not that I need one.
Don't worry, it probably will once they figure in S&H, import duty, VAT and "because we can" charges. It's quite apparent that you folks regularly get screwed on the $ to £ conversion.
Lots of folks have only just got over the video connectors needing to have Apple approved chips in them inna Lexmark stylee. If they are going to be gouge on that new dock connector, that seems a bit poo.
Mind, they will probably be pretty laid-back at first, to ensure adoption, then tighten the thumnbscrews by adding more artificial barriers later, as above. First taste is cheap or free, the crack dealer model, works nicely in tech.
Seriously guys. We're all over the Fryish fanboyism. Apple should be bundling an adapter with the new kit, and you should be saying this.
Not sure why, did Nokia bundle pop-port adapters when they changed?
Not everyone needs them.
No, they didn't, your right - we should go back to the bad old days of >5 years ago, when power adaptors were incompatible across brands, where connections were changed across brands annually etc etc.
The connection in the iPhone does nothing more than can be done with a standard USB port and the headphone jack does nothing more than a standard TRRS jack, but for some reason Apple have decided that everyone *must* buy a unique Apple device - like we used to have to do in those bad old days.
I'll stick with my phone, that I can charge at work with the same £2 micro-USB cable I bought 3 years ago and several phones ago and the same headphones that can control my music on all my phones because they do use the standard TRRS model.
I got a USB to micro USB adaptor, and again in HDMI flavour bundled with my N8.
So yes, apple should be putting it in the box considering their premium.
Blatant money grab, see icon.
I have a colleague who loves his IPhone.
So much so, he has a dock in his car, Dock for home entertainment systems etc.
No so different from millions of others out there.
So tell me, how many adapters will he need? well, 1 for the car and at least one for home and probably 1 for at work as well so he can charge his "cry-phone" when he needs to.(no-one is really going to carry their adapter with them are they?
So taking that he may buy 3 adapters, this may well be the average requirement for those not wanting to carry the adapter (or should that be an I-Dapter?)
Will the iPhone still fit into these docks once the adapter is in place? Surely it's going to extrude a bit from the original connector?
I honestly don't see why Apple can't get with the MicroUSB program, even if they provide a separate iPort for iStuff that needs it (ala the old iPaq 214 etc.) Cost shouldn't be a problem as MacBook owners are happy to fund a glowing Apple advert on the back of their screens, they should be happy to pay for something that's actually useful to them.
"Will the iPhone still fit into these docks once the adapter is in place? Surely it's going to extrude a bit from the original connector?"
I wondered that. Most docks just have the iDevice resting/protruding from the top. I wouldn't fancy balancing a £600 device on whatever adapter they come up with (I'm imagining it to look like the camera/USB adapters)
Shirley just one adapter is needed - and a bit of sellotape to hold it onto the bottom of the phone?
Average person wil probably need 2/3 adapters - 1 each for Car, Home and Work (maybe).
Anyone mug enough to go buy the "5" needs their head examined - we pay enough in taxes without this fruit seller imposing their own one.
Apple should at the very least bundle one adapter with the new phone
Apple customers will not need any adapter. They will buy new appliances with the new, licensed* connector.
As one guy further up said: Move on.
And think about it: as an Apple user, who is always living on the bleeding edge of technology, would you want to be seen with something that uses the outdated old connector? That would be almost as bad as not having the latest iPhone at all!
*probably at £20 a pop, but which manufacturer can afford not to have iPhone compatibility?
"And think about it: as an Apple user, who is always living on the bleeding edge of technology"
That made my day and has completely thrown my digital-sarcasm-detector off... Good stuff.
I aim to please. . . ;-)
Ah but the new adapters need a decryption chip in them. Similar to the way printer cartridges went.
Just a rumour
So a six quid adapter has a chip to decrypt audio and video that wasn't encrypted in the first place?
Nah, it will be like the last generation of video docs for the iPhone- the iPhone won't output video at all unless a valid chip is found in the dock.
Hmm, one of the micro/mini/supermini USB formats not quite good enough then..?
Dominant market player so not really much of a surprise I guess...
Meanwhile, Nokia announces Windows Phones with wireless charging and NFC. No need to plug in or dock your phone ever again.
Does a wireless charging base cost £6?
NFC enabled gadgets cost how much again?
Finally can you send files to it at USB 3 speeds? Didn't think so.
Yeah apart from the wireless dock of course and then you need how many of those - one for the office, one (or more) for home. I like the idea of wireless charging and of course we have not seen what the new iPhone will have - but it's also a bit of a gimmick - I mean it's not really 'hard' to drop your iPhone into it's cradle at night is it...?
Personally I prefer to dock as the phone is right way up and you can see any notifications that pop up etc.
If you are on a budget they also include an industry standard micro USB port for all of the required uses at zero cost.
Which comes with a free white van and a DSLR too, amazing value!
IIRC some of the required uses (at least of the old dock) include video out and line-level audio out, neither of which can be done via the Micro USB connector, which is a straight data link and usually requires the ability to maneuver through directories. Bluetooth has a better shot at the audio end since it's designed for that purpose, but many older cars don't have the capability to accept Bluetooth audio without a bodge which may not even work (radio transmitters tend to be interference magnets, and cassette adapters are only good if you have a working tape deck in the car, and fitting a car with an aftermarket deck will set you back a decent bit and will involve either an expensive installation session or some intimate time with your vehicle's console).
I'm really not sure of the point of this article. So Apple appears to making a new dongle to bridge their proprietary connectors. It only appears to apply to apple hardware and Apple will be the first suppliers of said dongle. It sounds like business as usual. Is it simply that 3rd party accessory makers won't be able to punt low cost versions for all the Apple fans that are "On a budget"?
Hey at least you can dock the stuff if you want and at least there is an option - buy other makers phones / tablets and often no dock is even an option or it's proprietary and needs to be thrown away when you upgrade your phone.
Things like the Apple universal dock have been great for many, many years - just flip in an (included) plastic guide and use it with the different devices - but people love to diss Apple so when they 'eventually' replace the dock connector with something smaller (perhaps better) it's wrong...
Screw you. My iPad 3 is new enough that I shouldn't have to worry that the connector is obselete. Go back to your Steve Jobs sex doll.
Yeah, so's my iPad 3, but things change.
I remember having to replace my Nokia 2110 car charger when I updated to a 6210. But that that then remained compatible for my 6310i so then I didn't have to change. Over time things change (as someone said legacy ports vs. USB) but it seems to me Apple's universal dock has been rather more long lived that any other similar connector I can think of (excepting USB and 3.5mm jack both of which offer a subset the functionality of the UD).
If this change is a deal breaker for anyone there are plenty of other handset options both Apple and "other" that are and will be available. Nothing is now obsolete, life goes on and "standards"* simply come and go...
Finally, FWIW, I don't see the adaptor as a dumb item because I don't see the same number of lines in/out. So it will need to actively convert the 30 lines into probably a serial stream. And to be fair £6 for an adaptor for anyone who's got the cash to splash on a £3-400+ handset or a fat contract doesn't seem unreasonable...
* yeah I know the Universal Dock isn't an industry standard but it seems to be a de facto one in the world of music docks...
How is is that certain case and accessory manufacturers can't seem to make a dock insert that fits their own cases? I put on a Griffintech case, but have to let the poor phone flop around on the connector. And Griffin makes docking accessories too!
Wow, there seems to be a lot of negativity here from people, concerned that other individuals will pay 1-2% extra on top of whatever they pay for their new gadget. £6 for the convenience of plugging the thing into a variety of docks and stereos...
I don't have any Apple gear, so for much of the last decade I have had to put up with a variety of connector options for power, audio and video- mini and micro USB, circular 9v plugs, several flavours of propriety charging and headset sockets (thanks Samsung), mini HDMI, Archos's weirdness... and that's not including Sony's attempts at a dock 'ecosystem'. Not quite Never Twice Same Cable, but close.
Rather than poking fun at Apple users, maybe folks could flood Google with requests and suggestions for some sort of universal Android dock?
Google already gives us a phone dock via the pogo pins of the Galaxy Nexus.
It doesn't work with any other phone or even Google own tablet (they changed it for then Nexus 7 already) but we don't need old accessories anyway, or if we do it's nothing that a saw, soldering iron and some microchips can't solve.
You mean the maker of Android *the operating system*? and for them to standardise something on hardware? Ok.
>You mean the maker of Android *the operating system*? and for them to standardise something on hardware? Ok.
You sound dubious. I do appreciate that Google make the OS and not the hardware, but have you a suggestion as to who might be better placed to encourage for Android licencees to get together on this? And a dock system isn't just hardware, it requires the OS to support some functions- such as remote media controls and hands-free kit integration.
Samsung and Sony have already tried their proprietary systems, and they didn't work because the critical mass of users wasn't big enough to either make it a selling point, or to encourage third parties to support it - in speakers, hifis, cars etc. If Samsung, Sony, HTC and others got together, they would have a large enough market share for a single dock design to take off- if Android market share continues as it is.
It is not unheard of for a software vendor to specify hardware- MS did exactly that with Windows 7 Phone.
Other manufacturers have used a wide variety of plugs to charge and / or sync their kit over the years - I like the way apple did it with a AC to USB 'plug' and then a USB to dock cable. It was not long ago when I had a mini USB for syncing my Nokia and then that micro power connector to charge it = faff.
You get a new iDevice - you can still use the older charger just with a new cable. You have a dock (which many other devices can only dream of as there are few / no standards) and boo hoo you have to pay a few quid so you can use it with your latest phone. It's far more eco-friendly than most manufacturers.
It's quite obvious that you post as an Anonymous Coward because you work for Apple or one of its PR agencies.
It's not unusal for companies to employ people to go through forums and reply to any negative comments.
Why? Is anybody who doesn't agree with your world view automatically a Minion of Tim? Well here you go, I agree with him and I'm neither anonymous nor an employee of Apple. Apple have had the 30-pin connector longer than any other manufacturer has had their connection; Samsung have had at least three types not including MicroUSB (more if you include tablets), SonyEricsson have had three, Nokia's had two connectors and two different voltages, HTC and their ilk have standardized around MicroUSB but haven't been around that long, even USB itself has been through three iterations in that time FFS. And given the potential for space saving, this shift makes a hell of a lot more sense than MiniUSB to MicroUSB, which didn't save any space worth speaking of, didn't add any new functionality, and ended up more fragile to boot.
Save your frothing at the mouth for things Apple does that DO deserve criticism.
fscked by SHA-1 collision? Not so fast, says Linus Torvalds