When is the Patent system going to be reformed with only "real" patents?
Apple have patented the idea of using data clones to hide from surveillance: data clones that will browse the internet under your name but will look at basket-weaving sites instead of porn. In one of the stranger Apple patents that we've seen in recent months, author Stephen R Carter details a way of stopping eavesdroppers …
When is the Patent system going to be reformed with only "real" patents?
Or, just have the clone look at pr0n, whilst you look at basket weaving. That way, when you stand accused of ogling nekkid bodies, you can plausibly blame your 'clone'.
That El Reg is staffed and patronised ENTIRELY by these clones anyway. Spooky!
Wouldn't that mean you're one too?
<-- The one identical to the one next to it please...
That was the spooky thing. That and the 2kg bundle of willow that arrived by courier this morning.
So The Register commentards invent it
And Apple claim the patent to it
how does that work?
Apple's patent predates that post by a considerable margin.
what about www.easyhits4u.com
What about this post then?
Good few years before 2011 ;-)
I just wonder about the legality of it should you find yourself under investigation for any reason. Any reason at all (and remember all those public bodies with RIPA rights to investigate your communications data...)
Certainly it would raise suspicion in the same way as declining to give your details (when there is no allegation of an offence) to an enquiring PC in the street can, but in this case it's a bit more active.
If not, might they pursue you for breaching the t&c's of your ISP? After they'll extradite you for alleged copyright infringement (another civil offence)
I'd be more worried about Apple living up to their normal coding standards and screwing up. For instance whilst you're innocently looking at some basket weaving website their buggy software could be off looking at some dodgy porno on your behalf, leaving you to explain that to the authorities... It could easily happen. I presume they're going to have white lists, which need only contain a couple of trivial mistakes to lead to some infuriating results.
One thing I did notice - they mentioned something along the lines of participating in an online forum on your behalf using a crude AI. Now I'm no expert, but that would surely start verging on breaking the computer misuse laws. Directing a torrent of machine generated drivel at some poor innocent forum and devaluing it's worth for the real users / owners / advertisers has got to be close to illegal.
...as opposed to El Reg where there's a torrent of human generated drivel directed at the forums?
>One thing I did notice - they mentioned something along the lines of participating in an online forum on >your behalf using a crude AI.
They've obviously been testing that bit in here. Would certainly explain AManFromMars
Actually you'd be best setting the robot to search for porn that way any porn can be blamed on the robot.
"I wasn't looking up lesbian cheerleaders, Honey. It was the robot. Bad Robot!"
The difference is that drivel generated by machines does nothing the advertisers, whereas human generated drivel does. At the end of the day a human may be persuaded to part with cash and buy the advertised goods, whereas the machine is always going to ignore the ad. Unless there's a bug.
Perhaps this is where this is leading. We've had video recorders to watch TV programs that we've no intention of watching ourselves. We've now got PVRs to do the same thing, only digitally, and more than one at time. Now Apple are saying that we can have a machine to talk to other people for us on forums that we've no interest in. Perhaps that will evolve into their machine spending our money for us on goods that we have no interest in either, save us the hassle... Ker-ching!!!
.... it signed me up to fifteen extreme porn sites and ordered 15 litres of KY-jelly and a gross of dildos. (I should never have given it my address and credit card details.)
"it signed me up to fifteen extreme porn sites and ordered 15 litres of KY-jelly and a gross of dildos. (I should never have given it my address and credit card details.)"
Ah but did you send it back to get a refund?
No I didn't think so
It wasn't "very detailed information about the location of iPhone users", it was very detailed information about cell towers near iPhone users.
If I had some cloneware, would it prevent me from getting emails about "weight loss tea"?
'it could be that Apple wants to use this patent as a way to protect its users from malevolent tracking outsiders'
or, and in my opinion, more likely, Apple see the obfuscation of tracking data as a business risk so want to have a mechanism to fend of potential polluters
of endless surveillance, by the police, government, and giant corporations. And an endless, epic high-tech cyber battle between the limitless little-brother drones and the automated human clones your service provider generates for your privacy and protection. Never knowing whether a person, site, or company is real or AI unless you visit them in the flesh - and then not knowing if they're who they say they are or the police, or a company representative with a hard-sell script and a compulsory purchase squad to back him up.
I'm now seriously worrying about what Steve Jobs was planning before he died!
If this technology is widely deployed, it would make targeted advertising worth a lot less to companies who wanted to market stuff on the internet. This would lead to a lot less cash going in the direction of companies who specialize in providing targeted adverts. It would, in fact, be like dropping a thermonuclear device on such companies.
How'd you work that out?
Surely the advertising would just have to be redesigned to appeal to the bots.
What would this do to Google's worth?
TrackMeNot plugin for Firefox. Why even try going under the radar when you can obliterate it with chaff and flares?
And Trackmenot predates the filing of the patent by at least 5 years:
Yes, but now Apple can sue them into oblivion.
Way back in the mists of time, when the Internet was a collection of FTP, UseNet and Gopher sites, and the WWW was just taking its first faltering hesitant steps there was a bit of demo software called 'Microsoft Agent' which I think was designed to do much of what this does - anyone remember it?
MS-Agent was the base technology behind clippy ... "it looks like you're writing a letter" ;)
The real MS Agents wear sharp black suits, dark shades and knock on your door when you're home alone. You answer and the agent says to you in a menacing tone "I see you're writing a letter" - you reply in the time honoured tradition of telling them to fuck off and punching them in the face. Two minuets later their back at the door - "I see you're trying to print a document" etc
Apple could be planning to pollute what anyone outside the walled apple garden see's, keeping it's own accurate info on its slaves... errr, users, thus boosting the value of the data they hold.
What would be weirder than basket weaving kits arriving at your house? ... being in a chat room about basket-weaving that's suddenly invaded by thousands of apple bots talking nonsense to each other! :o
I give you "TrackMeNot". Ok, it just does searching but the idea is the same.
Seriously Apple, tw@ off with these patents.
You are part of the problem, and then you try to patent an idea for the problem you are part of.
After reading that one, did the (equally) obligatory random (coz no one goes to XKCD for just 1 comic, do they?)
Anyway, clicked Random, got this..
This is similar to a product I have just patented - it's for people into basket weaving who are rather embarrassed by this outdated crafting method - my product browses for bizarre hardcore leather bondage porn and conducts fake cyber sex chat sex sessions on your behalf. It even orders the occasional butt-plug from on-line sex shops so that anyone tracking you will never suspect you're really just some saddo into making baskets!
Luckily, the package of willow wands can be used for either activity...
I'm lost on this one..... So, what's doing the browsing? the phone? an App? something else? can Iphone users expect extra data usage due to this? Should they expect more spam since Apple now will decide what they are browsing while not browsing? Who get's the "click" money? Apple?
I'm probably off in left field but.... I guess I'm not paranoid enough to worry. If I'm gonna look at pRon, I don't care who knows.
Maybe someone at apple is looking at too much of it and is worrying it's gonna come back on them.....
Basket weaving, nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean. Does she go? in and out of all those poles. Nods as good as a wink to blind wicker work donkey, know what I mean.
No thanks, I'd rather the world thought I looked at porn.
Couldn't the same effect be achieved using a shell script running wget?
Put it under a fake user account, create a dummy email address on gmail, hotmail, yahoo or whatever then have it run at random times using a list of "acceptable" web sites.
Whatever happened to "not obvious" in the patent requirements?
Yup, in fact i wrote just such a script to amuse myself by polluting the stream when it looked like BT were going to roll out Phorms mitm attack hardware.
Rather than browsing a list of acceptable sites it used acceptable topics instead, with logs so i could at least show it was a bot if necessary. IIRC correctly the User Agent was set to 'Phorm annoyer'. Default topics were knitting, sheep shearing and gardening.
With a little thought Apples idea is incredibly obvious. randomize the time between requests as if someone's reading the page, or better base it on the size of the received data
they just want to own the patent for something that is/would (probably already) be(ing) used against them and their advertisers... to keep it out of the "legal" hands of consumers.
...in response to a recent report compiled by the Bureau of Statistics, the Prime Minister today announced that there will be a special budgetary provision this year of $2.6 Trillion for basket-weaving societies and related hobbies. "This grant is an essential part of our government's commitment to ensuring that this previously under-funded pastime receives the support it deserves, and that Australian Working Families demand", she said, "In stark contrast to the paucity of basket-weaving support provided by the previous coalition government. While this should in no way be seen as a cynical grab for votes from the large, but hitherto unknown, Australian basket-weaving community, I will point out that Mr Abbott has made no basket-weaving policy announcements at all in the past five years, and voters should understand that his party would instead waste this money on football, pubs and casinos - pastimes which our research shows to be highly unpopular with the Australian public".
...its going to lead to some surreal scenes in movies as they try to cater for this previously unknown market.
Knowing Apple's outsourcing, the patent is probably not a piece of software at all, and is in fact warehouses full of small Chinese children aimlessly browsing wholesome websites for a bowl of rice a month.
as opposed to all the other tech companies keeping the jobs right at home.
"as opposed to all the other tech companies keeping the jobs right at home."
Yeah they're using indian children working for a bowl of curry. Damn you Apple and your cheap chinese children
Apple marketing 'droid... "If someone were to use 'bots to do some searching for inane stuff, that would throw off our marketing results."
Apple techno 'droid... "I'll get right on it, Chief!"
going on about Big Brother when they ruined the whole IT world with their invention of the walled garden, we-tell-you-what-you-can-put-on-your-device mentality, and their whole fucking control-freak behaviour.
But it fits their dictatorial aspect I suppose, to be seen "doing something" about Big Brother, maybe they think that intelligent people (as opposed to their fanboi pets) won't see them for what they really are.
Apple probably patented it so that nobody else can use it against them or their advertisers.
It would certainly be a pretty easy thing to script though.
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