the Ovlov looks ok.
So if i read it right, the Ovlov will beat he fisker off the lights?
Reg Hardware Car Week What started out as a dribble in 2011 is becoming a deluge in 2012 as e-cars in the form of pure electrics, range extenders and plug-in hybrids capabilities start to become ever more common. Until we see a major breakthrough in battery tech, the day will belong to the plug-in hybrids and REs, but that’s …
Considering the 'leccy for these comes from essentially the same fuel as cars do currently, how are these going to avoid oil price rises? Surely it just means 'leccy bills will go up instead?
I would also imagine that the price difference between a Tesla and the Lotus Elise it is based on will pay for a shedload of go juice.
However, I think electric cars are a great idea. Well i would if they were more practical, cheaper, sounded decent and didn't contain 3 tonnes of Duracell.
Mine's the coat with the keys to a V8 in the pocket.
"Considering the 'leccy for these comes from essentially the same fuel as cars do currently"
Currently is the operative word (as well as being a bad pun). Things may change in the future. If fossil fuels keep going up and widespread nuclear power comes on line an electric car may be the only affordable option.
Curb side charging posts? Paid for by who? In what timescale?
You're talking about digging up *every* street in the UK, adding a power infrastructure (the current one just won't cut it for mass deployment of something like an electric car), so more and bigger substations, etc.
Then working out how to charge the correct person when someone else has parked where you were going to (on our street there's only parking for about 75% of the houses so there's a regular shuffling around depending on what time you arrive back).
Adding a petrol station just means getting a sufficiently large area of land, digging a hole for the storage, and building the station on top. It's not even comparable to what would be needed to make electric cars viable.
Since the government is willing to fork out a few thousand in subsidies, how about they go £100 more and paint an 'electric car parking spot' outside the home of anyone with an electric car. It'd work for a good few years (till too many people have them) and in the mean time we can work on those charging posts.
Have you ever seen a car model that fitted everyone's needs?
If you haven't, and I bet you haven't, why are you expecting electric cars to be any different?
These cars will be bought by people who think they fit their needs/wants and they will not be bought by people who don't find them suitable, for example, those who don't have a place to charge them.
But, with any luck, the cars will be improved with time and more of them will be bought, and more charging places will be available and more people will buy them and ....
It won't happen automagically and it will definitely not happen by tomorrow but that doesn't mean it won't happen
No comparison of costs? OK these cars are so expensive they're basically in Top Gear Toy bracket, but eventually they'll come down so ordinary people can buy them... so then we'll want to know how much they cost to run.
Electricity costs are through the roof - and rising faster than fuel costs right now. If it ends up cheaper to use common or garden petrol, that's what will win out in the end.
By the time they come down to "ordinary person" prices, both the technology and the cost of electricity will be different to now so knowing the current running costs of current-gen cars isn't really helpful. Only once the affordable e-cars appear would such figures be helpful.
Note also - if our beloved government gets properly behind e-cars, they can easily add even more duty to fuel, or make road tax more expensive for petrol cars, to _force_ e-cars to be more affordable in comparison.
This is my main question for these 'e-cars'. It's all well and good lording their 'eco-friendliness' but you still have to pay for the electric to keep them running.
If it costs more for me to have it on charge every(other) night, than it does to fill up on petrol every week or so, then what's the point?
(on the other hand, if it costs significantly less to keep the car charged, than fuelled, then where do i sign up?)
The Economy7 tariff was always sold as being better because it kept the power stations running at an even pace throughout the night. If a massive demand for night-time charging of EVs develops, it makes sense for overnight tariffs to become the norm. This would encourage greater EV usage and make for more efficient use of the power stations.
How big are these batteries?
How about we make them slot-able and have petrol stations swap em over for a fresh one while they put the exhausted one back on charge for a few hours, ready for the next customer.
Just need to make sure we have standardised battery (or at least connections). probably a bit of upfront cost in spare batteries too.
The problem is that the battery represents ~50% of the value of a car like the Leaf. Are you happy for your brand new battery to be swapped for one of unknown provenance after the first 50 miles? The only way this could work is if you lease the battery (or the entire car) and it then becomes the manufacturer's problem (though you may still find that you've got something that delivers only half the expected range on a full charge).
But that's only half the problem. As TonyHoyle points out above, the electrical infrastructure just isn't there. A small petrol station would need a continuous multi-MW supply to recharge a similar number of e-cars to those it can refill today. Short of a game-changing breakthrough in electrical storage technology, practical (non city car) vehicles will be powered by internal combustion. Where the fuel comes from is the question the Greens need to address.
In the article it says the Smart ED already leases batteries at £50 a month, obviously nobody is going to do a swap in with something they own. Just seems like the logical way of dealing with the long recharge time. The system could be just like CO2 bottles for soda stream machines.
Comparing refuelling rates to "a similar number of e-cars to those it can refill today" is unrealistic. Consider how old the average car on the road is today, it will be years before there is a substantial percentage of electric cars. By then there will be better batteries, more efficient cars and better infrastructure to support them.
Top speed of 80mph, so definitely not a quadricycle like the Reva G-Wiz. The Mitsubishi version costs around £28,990 (according to wikipedia) so it's not particularly competitive with some of the others mentioned here. Nevertheless it seems a strange omission. I think El Reg even wrote a review of them a while ago.
Other than the lease plan option, you need to factor the cost of replacing the batteries every couple of years into the cost equation.
Although most makers claim 5 years, many users are finding that after 2 years their 100 mile range is down to about 20 miles.
And you cannot just change to any battery make you fancy either, the "intelligent" chargers will only work with the makers own batteries (or pay an extra £1500 for a universal charger!!)
I really, REALLY want an EV as a 2nd vehicle (for the wife to use), the insurance is a fraction of that for a Group 1 car (for a new driver), but currently the battery problems really put me off; also, if China can produce an EV for a few grand, why cant Europe??
"because of all the e-cars on the horizon, it’s (Ampera) the one I want the most"
Me too ... ever since I first read of the Ampera (or its US Volt version) this seemed to be doing electric right given current tech - i.e. battery that you can recharge at home (ok, I have off street parking so may be easy than for others) which will basically handle day-to-day commute and driving around town but if you ever do run low or need to go a long way then the engine kicks in running at its most efficient setting to generate more power and replenish batteries. Only problem is that however much I think about it, £30k is still ~ £15-20k more than the petrol powered car I'd get otherwise.
yup I'm of the same thinking, But as I tend to more luxurious cars anyway the 34k is only 4k above what I'd normally pay, and I expect to make 10k saving on fuel. So my merc is going to a new home, and the Ampera deposit is paid and delivery is first week of June.
Vauxhall/GM have specced the car quite highly, its got full climate including remote preheat, leather interior, heated seats, cruise control, auto wipers and lights, projector lamps, tyre monitors, electric & heated mirrors, rear camera with steering angle overlay, front & rear parking sensors, Bluetooth phone, voice control, keyless entry and start, Euro Sat nav, USB & hard drive media player FM/AM/DAB+RDS CD & DvD Video, and touchscreen console, Oh and 370NM of torques with 0-60 in 9s, so its not so far away from what I want! the clincher was the lifetime warranty with 8 year Battery Warranty (with max 30% degradation gaurantee) if it had xenons and folding mirrors and an internal 240v mains plug it'd be pretty much perfect...
A Leaf would work brilliantly as a second car for us, but it's way too expensive and I'm not sure how we'd fund a replacement battery after 10 years or whenever the range becomes intolerably short - everyone is familiar with laptop batteries that used to last 3 hours when new and now last 3 minutes*. As for the "fuel" costs; with my wife's commuting mileage (I usually cycle in unless it's icy or I need to carry a ton of stuff), it would be negligible, way cheaper than petrol or diesel.
*in contrast, my 15-year old MX-5 still manages the same range and mpg as when it was new. Actually, it does a better mpg now than ever before because petrol is so expensive that I drive it slower...
Well it would be if it seated five, like every other vehicle that size and shape does. A rather serious design pig's ear in my book.
Incidently, it's not the Yank dislike for diesels that's the root cause of the Toyota, Lexus and Honda approaches, it's the Japanese. Not that they don't like 'em, it's just that taking a diesel into an urban area will bankrupt you in pollution charges.
It's also the reason that Japanese multidrop trucks, buses, dustcarts and such tend to be CNG fuelled.
Yes, diesels produce lower CO2 levels, but in every other respect they're as nasty as it gets when it comes to emitted pollutants. Most of these are rather more unpleasant than CO2 as regards their effects on the jolly old atmos, it's just that they're not as headline-grabbingly trendy these days...
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