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US special operations troops will shortly be armed with a projectile which can be fired from a portable launcher to hit a car or boat some distance off, following which the pocket-size adhesive bomb will release one of several types of "non lethal" gas into the target's interior. The new weapon has been dubbed the "KIBOSH" by …
Yeah, I don't know where I was going with that.
"which might call its non-lethal nature into question in the case of a speeding car"
Surely its better to maybe kill someone in a car crash than definately kill them with a grenade? Seatbelts, airbags and all. Having been in an 80mph smash, I can tell you its suprising how little damage you take. Nothing broken, nothing bleeding. Shame about the whiplash.
I'm not sure that this would be much comfort to any, perhaps innocent, bystanders as the now "out of control" vehicle mounts the proverbial kerb and ploughs into a queue of children lining up for the school bus.
I'm not saying that in this instance a grenade would be less of a problem but if the item is sold as less lethal it will be thought "safe to use in all circumstances" by some people. Generally I'd be less worried about the SF operators than the more regular grunts to whom this technology would eventually trickle down in any "police actions".
Kills you less often than bullets and grenades, but more often than comfy chairs and fluffy bunnies. A woman in Boston (Victoria Snelgrove) was hit with a "less lethal" round in the eye, and ended up dead.
How much less lethal has a whole lot to do with how the weapon is used. A little pepper spray drifting into your eyes is one thing, a shot down your throat is something else. Shots to the head with any projectile are generally a bad idea.
Given that most less lethal weapons have very few (and in a couple cases no) documented fatalities, I'd say the term is applicable. It's a hell of a lot more accurate than the 'non-lethal' term they used to use.
Put another way, which are you less likely to die from: a taser or a bullet? A fragmentation grenade or a flash bang? A sticky bomb spaying sleep gas into your car or a 40mm grenade landing in your lap?
I'll believe it when I see it.
If it hits glass it won't stay attached when it shatters (windshield shots only?), if it hits metal it will have to puncture it without killing someone, and only the roof will work (I suppose the trunk would too, if the vehicle has one) unless the target is a white van.
I was having the same thoughts. In order for this to work, it not only needs to stick, but to have a method of injecting the gas into the car. Now, assuming that it is a standard vehicle, this could be done via a hollow tube with a piercing profile. However, to be sure of getting it into the vehicle and not merely into, say the well-ventilated door cavity of the car, the injector would need to be a good 6" (15cm) long, which means that it is likely to break of bend on impact unless some very tricky deployment mechanism is used.
In addition, there is the risk, if used on a thinner body-cavity, of piercing someone inside (okay, maybe not a huge problem, but think hostages). I doubt that anyone is going to survive several inches of very hard metal followed by an injection of 6 litres of gas (wasn't there a knife that was banned because it injected gas into the wound - something to do with killing polar bears or something?)
Overall, the gas-delivery seems to be somewhat difficult.
So just how will the gas get into the vehicle or building without penetrating it? Drill a hole? Use a tiny, shaped charge? This doesn't sound easy to me given the range of materials and thicknesses it might have to deal with. Also, in a car, it seems to me that opening the windows might rather limit the effectiveness.
There's also the little question of what these gases are meant to do. Forget any ideas of fast-acting "knock out" gases. That's the realm of Batman cartoons. Thinks like tear gas might temporarily disable those in a vehicle or cause them to evacuate it, but they have to bedelivered in reasonably large concentrations.
Quite easy. If your projectile has a narrow needle shaped pointy bit which can penetrate the door inner and outer skins (easy, Ive done it with arrows fired from a recursive bow when I missed and shot one of the bangers in the archery area field) it can inject the gas contents into the interior like that..
Then if said projectile has a larger flanged bit after the injection nozzle, it wont have enough force to poke say a 30mm hole through both skins so will just stop instead of going in and getting stuck in someone.
You could even go very oldschool and put a small point on the rear of the injection nozzle which when impacted by sufficient force as represented by piercing a car inner and outer door skin pierces the seal on your co2 alike container contained in the secondary section of the projectile.
Quite viable I'd say.
Anon because I dont want things stuck in my car doors.
Sounds like a lot of kibosh to me
(where hawking is not a scientist but a means of displacing phlegm from lungs into a gobful of spit about to be launched with a hawking noise?)
Or maybe to conquer or put down?
Probably the best gas is one that does not appear threatening at first whiff but encourages one to question bowel control of one's immediate neighbours?
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