You don't get it
The discomfort with using fb has nothing to do with electrons.
The geek alit are abuzz with the NEXT! NEW! THING! It's called Google Plus (Google+), and my inbox is peppered with notifications that I've been added to so-and-so's Circle. Unfortunately, I'm already connected with many of these people on Facebook. More unfortunately, I've never heard of some of the people that have been adding …
The discomfort with using fb has nothing to do with electrons.
the ability to manage your facebook account.
e.g your facebook would become another circle.
(The same could be done for Myspace, twitter, etc.)
so that's kind of like shooting themselves in the foot. still i wish them luck if only because it's an alternative to arsebook
they did the same thing with Gmail, now how much of a failure did that turn out to be?
Invite only = exclusivity. Exclusivity = interest.
It worked for Facebook and it's worked for Google in the past with Gmail.
I don't use Facebook or Google+ to any great extent although I am registered with both.
Tight integration with my Android mobile is what eventually moved me over to Gmail as a mail consolidator and I guess that I'd be more likely to update my Google+ status than I would Facebook for similar reasons which would then make Google+ more useful to, e.g. my parents and those of my friends who hang on my every word.
Once the tools are written to keep the two in sync in whichever way works best I guess I might start ignoring Facebook completely.
I use twitter a lot more once I realised that TweetDeck would not only Tweet but also Buzz and Facebook for me... so as Buzz is already rolled into Google+ (I think) I can keep all 3 in Sync with the existing Apps for Android/Chrome et. al.
I wholly agree that my output at the least should be from one post and if at all possible the replies should be aggregated. I don't use TweetDeck instead of any of the services it has worked more as a feeder causing me to use all three a lot more and I think that should be the goal.
I have had my facebook account since it was exclusive to schools and have 600+ friends. Now I have a wife and a kid and want to post pics but not to all of my friends and I don't have time to select the individual friends I want to share with. Enter Google+. Most of my friends are flocking to Google+ for one reason, simplified privacy. Some of them have 2000+ friends and are in the same boat as me with family and privacy concerns.
In my opinion kids/teens/tweens and the parents of 25-45 year old individuals with not see the advantages of Google+ and will stick to facebook. It will be the 25-45 y/o adults that will lead the charge for Google. Plus will allow us to start over with a tabula rasa with privacy and family in mind rather than partying and a friend count.
And another BIG plus No Zynga Games!!!...yet
....and then they made Facebook.
After all the volatility we've seen in the Internet startup (.COM) world over the years (i.e. pretty much everything other than Amazon, Google, and eBay - any other Internet companies that actually make money?) I find it laughable that Matt could sit here and prognosticate about the unshakeability of Facebook and Twitter.
I'm not saying Google+ is great or that it's going to be the next Facebook - hell if I know, I don't use any of this stuff - but just that I could see Facebook, or more easily Twitter, go the way of MySpace.
You said "Now I have a wife and a kid and want to post pics but not to all of my friends and I don't have time to select the individual friends I want to share with"
Facebook already has something analogous to Circles - it's just not very obvious. You can create lists and add your friends to those lists.
Then when you share something, the text field where you add the friends to share with also accepts lists as well as individual friends. So you can share to one or more lists rather than individual friends.
No quite as easy as the drag and drop of Google+ and it's time consuming. Thanks for the suggestion though.
It's only time consuming the first time you set it up. Just like all other such things, including G+.
I set up a bunch of lists in Facebook years ago and now when I friend someone new I add them to the appropriate list.
"Facebook already has something analogous to Circles - it's just not very obvious. You can create lists and add your friends to those lists."
Yes, but you can't post to a list. And recently you can't even choose what you share with a list! I made my phone number available to my "close friends" list and guess what, now it's available to everybody!
Not to be rude, but you're doing it wrong then. FB has offered the ability to post to a list or exclude a list or exclude certain people for several years. The privacy settings also allows you to restrict access to your content/personal data by lists or individuals.
That said, they sure don't make it intuitive or obvious and that provides a real opportunity for Google+.
I think the point is that in Facebook you cannot combine lists that easily on the fly, yes it is only two or three clicks but on G+ at the moment it is drag and drop or an instant set of tick boxes. FB will probably get this soon too I am sure.
Totally agree that the initial setting up of lists is the burden, FB use to encourage you to do this a bit when you Added a friend and the key thing G+ is going right now is to make it easy and necessaries to sort people in some way (not everyone is my Friend so they may as well be someone I follow, or family or college as all those are just as easy a state to set). I can see where this takes it key from Gmail and it is a feature I like, but I am just that kind of person (see pic)
tell me where?
The only ways I know is by setting up groups and inviting people who may not want that and then switch through the groups profiles to read and answer or by limiting your privacy settings which affect all posts.
Here is a video that walks you through Facebook posting to specific lists
Unlike Google +, not obvious or intuitive, but it is there.
Hope that helps.
Another reason Facebook is not going to fail anytime soon is games and women.
Google has no games, and as such has no way to pull you back in, or get you to spend hours on the site in the first place.
Us like minded men really don't give a stuff about some of these mindless repetitive games, Farmville for instance? (Is it Farmville, the one where you mindlessly tap away on a field growing stuff??)
But the girls absolutely love these mindless pieces of crap they call games. They sit there like the devil possessed, double tapping to brew a coffee, and move chairs round virtual cafes etc. Or double tapping 5million squares to grow more crops, etc.
So lets face it - the ladies are addicted to Facebook. So what hope for Google+? None. Because there won't be any women on it, and who wants a social network that resembles a sausage fest at the end of the day?
> what hope for Google+? None. Because there won't be any women on it
And how will you tell if a person you add to one of your circles is a woman - from what their profile says?
Try that in real-life and one day you may get a surprise!
us ladies just can't worry our silly little heads about all that technical stuff, we must all just stick to clicking on colourful leetle pickies.
Justin is just mad because stone tablets don't do 4G.
And his dinosaur is in danger of being methane-taxed!
I just have 50% women in my circles on G+....
Maybe you should hang out more in the real world with women....
>Google has no games
And that is one of the main pulls for this woman and the others on there I know ;)
My point, that was written in jest, was that Google+ won't appeal to 'normal' people, and by normal I mean people who don't care about IT.
These people play games, they share photos, they don't say dumb things on their status that would embarrass their mother, etc.
These are the people that Google needs to persuade to move to +. But when + offers nothing extra, and in fact less than they get with Facebook (eg games) there is nothing to offer them.
As for circles - it's simply a software feature. Facebook could implement this if they simply allowed status updates to different permission groups that you've already set up.
That's why you produce goods in your bakery/winery/perfumery to get fuel for your 4x4 combine - to plant quickly. Then you use your arborist to collect the trees, and the farm hand for the animals. Of course, if you've got George trained up, he can get 20 of the animals. That way you're free to take care of your orchards, pig pens, etc.
People I've been talking to who are excited about Google+ are not the technological elite. There is a sense of quiet admiration of something that looks like it might be useful.
You're right that people won't shift systems unless there is perceivable gain, though for SEO the advantage is pretty clear. Whether Google+ already has this in its platform or whether it will take the inevitable data breach at Facebook to scare people away or whether it will need something else to come along.
However, having recently nailed your colours to the mast by suggesting Facebook's IPO should be around 10^12 USD, what else are you going to say on the matter?
Assuming the moderatrix's replacement lets this through, I do have to wonder if Asay is a true believer or, more cynically, has some great motive for pimping the immutability and "undervaluation" of Facebook.
I treat zealotry with wary scepticism, and the last few opinion pieces on Facebook from Mr Asay have certainly lowered his esteem in my view.
I am not convinced by this argument. I want to be able to network with 'friends & family', but I won't use Facebook in any circumstances. I purged my account a couple of years ago.
Yes I'm technical - but so many of the aforesaid 'friends & family' have had to get support from me after getting some foul infection through Facebook that they are now scared to use it.
I'm already setting up new links with them through g+
This is doubly so since MS bought Skype. I'm a Linux user, but most of family are Mac and they don't want an MS Skype on their machines...
Sounds more like to me from your post that it is you telling them not to want it, not actually them deciding by themselves as most will.
Your anti ms shows in your post. Yet you leap into bed with Google at the drop of a hat.
I don't don't have to tell my friends and family to be wary of Microsoft.
I simply have to answer their questions about alternatives.
Avoiding Microsoft is half of the decision for going Mac/Apple for everyone I know that has bought a MAC recently.
The fact that Apple knows how to make a computer "cool" doesn't hurt.
Is Google+ really from Yahoo!?
Since the big players in this seem to have a mental age of 8, Android's Facebook widget is beyond dreadful. It is possibly the most buggy, broken, under-resourced piece of incompetent rubbish ever to have been wished on a user community. Nobody could spend ten minutes with it without feeling a desperate need to vindictively slaughter all involved.
And again to make sure.
Accordingly, Google plus has a huge untapped user base of furious and frustrated Android/Facebook users.
It might save my sanity.
It works preety well for me. What are you looking to do with it ?
The latest version of Facebook for Android is extremely buggy and unreliable. It also now no forces the user to jump into Facebook's Mobile site, instead of using the Android app. If you look up Facebook for Android on the Android marketplace and read the latest user reviews you'll see that the latest update is utter shite. The previous version is sort of okay, and I use it occasionally, but the new version is garbage.
I've got lot's of lots of requests for an invite in the last week and there are already most of my real life friends on g+.
I think it'll work and there is enough space for a third one between twitter and Facebook.
My *real* life friends are in my address book. You know, that paper thing with space for address, email and phone number. Works just fine, and no-one tries to advertise in it, or sell my friends' info. Facebook, Google+? Meh.
My paper address book doesnt tell me that "Bob is up North for the weekend if anyone wants a pint".
My real life fans are in pubs, clubs, cafes, homes and not in a paper book.
And I do comunicate with them and more means to comunicate are always welcome.
No. But your email can do that just as well.
And guess what else, email providers won't lock you and your friends in.
Yeah, but you'd find your life sooooo much richer if you had some friends instead of just a bunch of fans.
Maybe you need a hug.
After all you could just write your comments on a piece of paper and stick them to a tree.
All the complaints about facebook etc are similar to the comments I used to get from non-techies" when I started using that geeky internet thing.
... it feels more like Twitter than FB. I'll keep family stuff on FB because, oddly, it's easier to stay private than on Google+. Say what you like about FB security, at least it's all in one (sprawling, many tentacled) place - Google has options everywhere, for different things, and they all feed into one another (iGoogle, Google Accounts, Android, Google+, Docs, etc) - I'm still trying to work out why the +App declares my recovery email instead of the chosen primary one, but it's no doubt something they'll work out soon, before general release. The Android App is pretty slick, more responsive than the Android FB app (but not the iPhone FB app).
I'll probably switch more business stuff to Google+ because it seems more oriented to getting things done, making networks and use of the 'Huddle' to set up collaborative stuff with Docs.
Just so long as they keep Zynga away...
Since Matt Asay is wrong about virtually everything, I think we can predict a roaring success for G+. I actually know quite a lot of mainstream individuals who are at least giving G+ a try. If Google can figure out a way to migrate pics and whatnot from Facebook, it's a slam dunk.
Several of my friends have started posting only on Google+. I suspect more will follow. Google just needs to keep the momentum and FB could turn into MySprpace in a very short period of time.
I wasn't too bothered by Facebook and the privacy issues. Then I discover that FB have banned apps written to export your friends contact details. Info your friends have chosen to share with you, FB are now actively trying to prevent you using. That was the nail in the coffin for me - I'm migrating.
and yes, we've seen this movie before although last time it was MySpace and Facebook (not Project Diaspora).
> it's not clear that a critical mass of people outside the tech world ...
A techie version of facebook. Hmmm?
The thing is, it doesn't have to be one or the other - though I can't see much overlap between the predominantly child-populated FB (and their stalkers, ref: an earlier story) and a more technologically literate G+ that offers a similar platform, but delivering a different product. Hell, you could probably make a compelling argument for an "adult" version of FB ... in fact that one may even make money.
So while G+ may not eat FBs lunch - or it may wither and die altogether, it provides an alternative. And one that doesn't come with the FB associations and baggage.
The difference is that Google has a proper scalable backend, which FaceBook does not. And looking at how they've set it up, it's as if they sat around the table and said, "what's good and bad about Facebook and Twitter?" and then copied the good stuff, fixed the bad stuff, and threw in some brand new ideas.
Frankly, I would be surprised if it does NOT take over.
I for one, hope Google+ takes off, if nothing else to pull some of the rug out from underneath facebook. I wouldn't be caught dead using either service myself.
It is unfortunate that Linux on the desktop hasn't taken off, myself having used Linux as my primary desktop since about 1997 it has been fun to watch it evolve over the years.
I think the reason why Linux hasn't taken off is much less to do with Microsoft and much more to do with Apple. It is pretty sad to see so many folks that claim devotion to open source carrying around a OS X laptop. Myself I am not devoted to open source, but still like and prefer Linux on my own systems wherever possible. When I did use Windows for work I heavily modified it (replacing the shell and other tools) so it looked and acted more like linux (so much so that the IT guy didn't know how to open the control panel) but had the benefit of windows apps on it. Unfortunately most of those tools haven't been maintained in many years and probably wouldn't work so well on versions beyond XP (haven't had the need to try).
I've had my younger sister on Linux for about 5-6 years now. First with SuSE, then Ubuntu. One time when she was still on SuSE I started poking around her computer to find she had installed the WINDOWS version of Yahoo! messenger on her Linux system, and it worked! She didn't even ask or tell me she was doing it, I was shocked it just worked.
She has been using a Toshiba laptop with Ubuntu on it for many years now with no real issues(I have been expecting the HD to die for a long time it is a really old laptop). She told me recently she needed a windows system to do some school work she just started at a new school. So I sent her another laptop, same type as her Ubuntu with XP on it (took forever to find all the drivers - and windows 7 wouldn't work the hardware was too old of all things!). The thing was bricked within 2 weeks, it stopped booting after she installed some software in the advice of her teacher. Still don't know what is wrong, seems too strange to have the hardware fail immediately(and I mean immediately within minutes) of installing software. She's more sold on linux than ever.
I do not, and have never really pushed linux on the desktop, always been holding out hope..
I tried OS X for a few weeks last year against my better judgment and as I expected I found it unusable for myself. I could probably make it work for me if I decided to commit to the platform and learn the new way of doing things for 6 months, but what I had already worked so I got another system and put Ubuntu on it. And as for Linux, I wouldn't be using Gnome if I didn't have the 'brightside' program for edge flipping - I'd be using KDE or something else otherwise (I used Afterstep for the longest time and that had awesome virtual desktop management).
I was going to comment on the Netflix blog yesterday about their price hike, wrote my comment in, hit the "Comment" button, and was greeted with a "Login to facebook to comment!" page, so, naturally I closed the browser window.
I'm connected to my friends on LinkedIn, that's all I really need. I don't twitter, I don't facebook.
Having worked for 2 social media companies that both desperately wanted to be facebook over the past few years has probably jaded me even more against the whole thing (both of them failed obviously like most of the others).
I do hope WebOS succeeds though, I have been using it for a couple of years, and do have a HP Touchpad (won't go near Android or iOS so I have nothing to compare it with) and it works well for me. I don't expect it to take over the world, but if it can maintain say 10% market share over the long term in a market the size of mobile phones and portable computing devices that should be good enough for HP to continue supporting it.
... is that it doesn't work with my Google Apps account, even though they're supposed to have merged the platform.
By the time it's available to me, it will have died through lack of interest.
Truth is, first to market wins, not necessarily the best.
MySpace says hi.
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