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A University of New Mexico football player was hauled off a US Airways flight last week after refusing to hitch up his sagging pants. San Francisco native DeShon Marman, 20, hoped to fly from his home city to Phoenix with his kecks at half-mast, but cabin crew objected to his low flying. When he declined to pull up his …


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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    At first

    I laughed at the "Safety and comfort" bit being typical corporate speak but then realised:

    In an emergency when you need to get out of the plane you don't want the berk in front of you tripping over his own trousers and slowing the rest of you up.

    So there is a legitimate safety concern after all.

    1. Anonymous Coward

      Safety concern or not...

      What got the guy in trouble is that he refused to comply with their request to pull up his pants.

      They then decided that they didn't want him on the flight and asked him to leave. He refused.

      This is when the Captain called for gate security to help him off the plane and of course arrest him for trespassing. Of course since he refused an order given by the flight crew to leave the plane, he is charged with interfering with the flight crew.

      All the fool had to do was pull his pants up. Its that simple. His first line of defense is that he was distraught over a friend's funeral. Next line of defense will be pulling out the race card and that his dress was acceptable. (Hey if it was ok for Ted Kennedy to walk around his office with his pants around his ankles, then it should be ok to show a little cheek.)

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      well comfort at least

      Hardly a safety concern, but I would agree that homophobes (or those unable to admit attraction to the same sex) may find the sight of another man's ass uncomfortable.

      If this were truly a safety concern, women with high heels and tight skirts would not be allowed on the plane. Old people with their walkers and canes, and im sure many more can be discriminated against.

      So, sorry if I fail to see your 'safety concern' as a true concern, but more as a screen for your personal prejudice.

  2. Fab De Marco

    OK let me clear this fasion up once and for all.

    This low flying trousers epidemic is called saggin' And all these cool kids learnt this trait from rappers.... If rappers do it then it must be cool right.

    Rappers in turn got this trend from prisons. This is how they role in prisons, breaking the law is cool right.... so, Yeah I'm one cool mofo!

    However they never stopped to think why some prosoners wear their trousers like this....

    Being enclosed in the big house, full of Men lacking IQ or basic social skills, sometimes it is difficult to read the signs of effection. So prisoners would be saggin to let others know that they are open to... er extra-martial activities.

    So next time you see a young upstart partaking in this "saggin" please inform him of this and watch him yank his trousers up.

    1. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

      Re: OK let me clear this fasion up once and for all.

      I don't believe that is correct.

      1. Lockwood

        Re: OK let me clear this fasion up once and for all

        Correct, funny... It's a fair tradeoff

      2. Anonymous Coward

        It might be a total lie

        But if there's one thing I've learned from the US it's that if you repeat the lie often enough it becomes true. So, I hear that the practise of 'sagging' in prisons is to demonstrate availability for back-door action. Or so I heard...

      3. Jolyon


        I don't believe it is correct either but it's an amusing myth to spread.

      4. Thomas 4


        But as theories go, it's not a bad one plus I'm pretty sure it would have the desired effect, assuming the low-trousered yoof puts down his bottle of White Lightning long enough to listen to you.

      5. spodula

        Even if its not..

        Thats what *i'm* going to tell them

        1. Brian Morrison
          IT Angle

          An alternative theory....

 that is to demonstrate street cred by showing that you've been in an establishment where they take away your belt, and shoelaces, to prevent you or someone else stringing you up by the neck until you are no longer breathing.

          1. Jolyon

            @Brian M. - alternative theory

            I've always hoped that it was a bit of social engineering - counteract increasing police waistlines by making anyone inclined to run when they hear the sirens coming hamper themselves with slack slacks.

        2. ravenviz Silver badge

          Re: It might be a total lie

          What ever happened to coloured hankies?

      6. Uncle Slacky Silver badge


        Debunked here:

        Personally, I just point and laugh at them.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward


      I'm 35. My IQ is north of ... well ... north of yours. I like classical, folk, country, ska, grime, swing, rock, electro, indie, jazz, etc.

      And I wear my trousers in a way I find to be comfortable. On my hips, not two inches below my nipples. Yes, you can often see my pants if you bother to look.

      So don't fucking look.

      1. Anonymous Coward
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        Hey John.

        If you dressed for comfort instead of fashion you'd be wearing a pair of elasticated waist £5 jogpants from TJ Hughes.

        Anything else and you're just a fashion victim trying to justify a low and dirty belt line with a high and mighty attitude.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Paris Hilton

        No Twat

        Wearing your trousers on your hips is fine. See the edge of your pants, no thanks, but you are right, we don't have to look.

        Wearing them so there's 6 inches of bum crack showing is not fine unless you're a hot young female (hence the "twat/no twat" title).

        Double standards? Damn right!

        Paris, right?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Hey AC

          My body ain't yours. My shape ain't yours. My notion of comfort ain't yours. Okay?

          So, no, I'm not a fashion victim. But thanks for your anonymous, cowardly moralising.

          1. ravenviz Silver badge

            Re: Hey AC

            They do some nice comfortable trousers in the Daily Mail.

          2. Blank Reg

            it's none of our business if you want to look like a fool

            Go right ahead, the rest of us will just point and laugh.

            BTW, someone claiming to be so much smarter than everyone else should try to use proper grammar and spelling.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward


          I'm bi. It's retardedly easy attracting men. Just show a bit of ass ...

        3. Equitas
          Paris Hilton

          Well I did see ...

          ... in Canada ... a female builder with most of her bum crack on full display to the wider world. Specially as she was working in a very large supermarket parking lot.

          Like Paris, she was hiding nothing

      3. Anonymous Coward

        Re: Twat

        Title confession?

        Hips: being the top of the Pelvis Bone known as the ilium? note the word top. hence you are not the subject of this story. The other twats who wear trousers around the buttocks (that's the top of the thigh which is below the ilium and hence below the hips) are the subject of this story.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Biology Twat

          The hip is a region. Very much not "the top of the pelvis bone".

          1. CADmonkey

            @ John

            I'm not anonymous and I'll see your 'stylee' as that of a fashion victim AND a twat.

            The look I call "male muffin" half a female muffin, but sideways. Not flattering. Ask a lady, if you dare.

            Do you also wear your baseball hat sideways?

            1. Anonymous Coward


              The look I call "geek tragedy" ... a t-shirt with any kind of sci-fi, gaming, computing, or science reference on it. Not flattering. Ask a lady, if you dare. Or know any.

              I own several XKCD (from way before most of you fashion victims had even heard of it) t-shirts, several Jinx t-shirts, several KOL t-shirts ...

              So tell me, oh wise ones. Am I hipster or geek? Or are your pigeon holes terribly, terribly broken?

              Right, I'm off to a hipster forum, where I can bitch about sweaty IT nerds and their fat fucking beer guts. Beer, because, well ... I've never understand the moronic obsession with beer.

          2. Anonymous Coward

            re: Biology Twat

            In that case, Maybe it does apply to you. I retract what I said earlier. You are a Twat after all.

      4. Anonymous Coward
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        Hips does not equal hanging on for dear life on your ass

        A pair of pants/trousers/shorts seated on your hips is far from hanging on for dear life to the curves of your buttocks or your genitals. And yes, we're talking about pants/trousers/shorts hanging on for dear life to the Calvins/Marks&Spencer/Hanes tighty-whities perched just on the curve of the ass cheeks.

        Sorry to disappoint, but your dress sense would be considerably more decent than rapper-style 'lo-riders'.

        1. Captain TickTock

          Hips does not equal hanging on for dear life on your ass...

          As long as you walk like a cowboy who's lost his horse. Sooo comfortable...

          bring back braces!

          1. Tom 35 Silver badge


            More like a duck. Watching one try to run to catch a bus is always good for a laugh.

      5. Jolyon

        @J Dee

        Ah, so *you* started this trend!

        I praise your dedication to comfort above appearance. If you've always worn your trousers this way, suffering scorn through all the times when it was not in the least bit fashionable then I can well understand why you'd be miffed to be on the receiving end of abuse even now it is trendy.

        It's all the others that are mere followers, dressing this way because they have seen someone else do it; don't feel like anyone is lumping you in with those saggy-crotched slouchers. They probably don't like country at all and most likely *want* people to look at them and their conspicuously branded pants.

        Reassure yourself you are better and undoubtedly more clever then them and anyone who could not describe their music taste as eclectic or wears their waistband round their waist.

      6. Anonymous Coward

        @ John Dee

        There is nothing wrong with advertisiong for affection.....

        If you are not interested pull you kecks up.

        1. Vladimir Plouzhnikov

          @John Dee

          It's clearly not about comfort (wearing trousers like that is not and cannot be comfortable), you are just trying to "make a statement".

          You'll be well advised to chose the subject of your "statements" carefully - there will be and there should be public resistance for things that deviate too far from cultural norms, whether it be glaring arse or taking a dump on the high street.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Ah, the tards.

            Like I said. On the hips (that's "hips", not "hip bones"). And I don't wear skinnies. Motility is ... just fine thanks. In fact. When I get gay bashed, I have enough motility to respond with a high level of violence.

            Seeing as 99% of you have never met me, or seen what I wear or how I wear it, and have assumed a whole bunch of stuff, words such as "clearly" are a curious choice. But that's tards for you. Always think you're smarter. Rarely are.

            Tell me. Do your comments indicate that you are rational or irrational beings? Time for a little more introspection and a little less prejudice?

            1. Lamont Cranston

              "I have enough motility to respond with a high level of violence"

              Threats of physical violence, delivered through the medium of internet forums? Guess it's only a matter of time before you backtrace someones IP...

              I thought these forums were relatively free of these sort of tedious nonsense.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward



                "You crossed the threshold of being allowed to dress like a teenager about 6 years ago."

                What. Like jeans and a tee? Seems like it's you guys who judge by appearance, you guys who feel bound by fashions, you guys who exhibit the most groupthink, you guys who define yourselves by the opinions of others. Sucks to be y'all.

                "and before long you'll be comparing "their" music to yours and letting them know how crap it is"

                Um. No. Sorry. Also. I grew up in the 80s. There is no "my music".

                @Lamont Cranston

                Where was I threatening anyone?

                It was, until recently, a regular part of my life. Coming home from the pub with my boyfriend. Being physically harassed. Responding with full leg motility. That's why it was used as an example of how y'all have my trouser situation very much misconstrued. Very freshly imprinted in my mind.

                @Blank Reg

                "BTW, someone claiming to be so much smarter than everyone else should try to use proper grammar and spelling."

                Who was the first to level an accusation of stupidity? Where do I actually claim to be smarter than "everyone else"? And enough with the grammar Nazi bullshit. Everyone makes mistakes in their typing. And not all of us feel bound by anachronistic edicts when it comes to the English language. Do you think "BTW" constitutes correct English? Idiot.

      7. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        You may think you're smart

        But if you dress like that then you look like a moron.

        I don't dress like that and I've never scored below a 145 on any IQ test, how about you?

      8. The Fuzzy Wotnot
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        @John Dee

        I do look mate and I find it so damn hilarious watching you and your fashion-slave cronies struggling to walk up a flight stairs with your kecks around your ankles, I piss myself laughing every time!!

      9. Dropper

        how old?

        You crossed the threshold of being allowed to dress like a teenager about 6 years ago. It's a tough one to take, I'll admit, realising you are now old. If you try to chat up younger girls you are now creepy. If you wear fashion-correct clothing, you are sad. No, sorry, once the big three-zero hits, you are no longer entitled to dress like a teenager. Full stop.

        I'm not going to bother with the insults for wearing your trousers too low, that's your business. I'm just letting you know something the rest of us found out once we passed into the limbo of 30-something. You still feel like you did 10 years ago, you still like modern music, but you are now officially a different generation and before long you'll be comparing "their" music to yours and letting them know how crap it is, how your generation did that first and demanding they stop running on the grass. Have you bought your first cardigan yet?

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Have you heard about the new drug, Cake?

      And you know those shoes thrown over telephone lines you occasionally see? That's drug dealers marking their territory.

      FTFY: 'So next time you see a young upstart partaking in this "saggin'" please inform him of this and watch him look down his nose at you, grand-dad.'

    4. peyton?

      Please do not clear things up any more

      There is a wiki for everything these days, and happily it is difficult to site that which is apocryphal.

    5. Anonymous Coward

      Gee... and I thought it was...

      To make it easier for the gang bangers to conceal weapon(s) and stuff in their waistband.

      Or was it handed down clothes from their older brother?

      Or was it that their mom bought them larger pants so that they could grow in to them so she wouldn't have to buy new jeans every year?

      Lots of reasons and maybe one is true?

    6. The Fuzzy Wotnot

      Great advice!

      Yeah just skip up to a group of spotty herberts, tell 'em they all look like they all like a bit of back-door action, due to their dress-code/sense, then see how long you can last getting beaten up before the coppers arrive to save you!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Beaten up?

        You wouldn't get beaten up because after you tell them they are all looking for some man-love you can just walk away at a brisk pace and they will trip over themselves trying to catch up.

    7. Ted Treen


      I believe that this woeful fashion did indeed start behind bars:- and little scrotes adopt this 'fashion' to show "I is a hard gangsta, innit".

      However, the drooping strides are generally considered to be due to having had one's belt confiscated (self-toppings are not really wanted on the Governor's record file), rather than an invitation for a little recreational buggery.

  3. Anonymous Coward
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    lol freedom

    now I would rather fly my trousers at full mast I must admit, but locking people up over it? shooting them?

    pfft, savages.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Low cut girls blouse

    What a waste of public money. Next they'll be banning women with low-cut blouses because you can "almost see their breasts". Personally I find what the police wear, together with their guns, to be alarming and distressing, and should be outlawed.

  5. Little Me


    note that I ought to care really, but his PANTS were that low. blimey I really am "out of touch"

  6. John Robson Silver badge

    shoot them...

    with a staple gun - having hitched their trousers to "Cowell" rather than "exhibitionist"

  7. Tom 7 Silver badge

    genitals were almost showing.

    And if you stood on top of the wardrobe and looked through these binoculars...


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