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If drugs were legalised and you could get them via prescription (thus generating revenue for the govt), we could save millions of quid in man-hours and expensive copper choppers. Maybe then they can tackle real crimes.
Yorks cops bust Bradford guinea pig farm
Yorkshire cops have apologised after swooping on a suspected Bradford cannabis "hothouse", only to find a couple of pampered guinea pigs languishing by an electric heater. Six officers in three vehicles descended on Pam Hardcastle's house after a police chopper's dope-busting camera picked up a suspicious infrared hotspot. …
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Thursday 13th January 2011 12:29 GMT SlackerUK
don't be daft...
By prescription? that would get them £7 a pop (or free if your on benefits).
To generate an answer to the national debt - package up spliffs in packs of 10 or 20, and sell them from machines in pubs and clubs (and re-instate smoking in licensed drinking establishments). Tax them in the same way ciggies are and hey presto a major influx of revenue.
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 10:29 GMT Citizen Kaned
war on drugs
isnt working. stop trying to criminalise people for smoking something less harmful than alcohol and tobacco (yes, some people have a brain meltdown but plenty of studies can prove that those people would likely have underlying problems anyway). nice use of our tax money plod
also anyone with half a brain on a scan would tell you that an electric heater boots out far more heat than a HPS light. did they think they had found some 3000w grow lamp that would light a garage? arent these guys even slightly educated in what they are trying to catch?
maybe if you spent more time investigating burglaries (took them a month to come to swipe for fingerprints when it happened to me) they might get the public more on side.
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 11:35 GMT Squirrel
drugs
You must live in a dodgy area; all the bad drivers (read: weaving/swerving/retarded) are using phones, reading or fiddling with other gadgets or controls.
You occasionally see the odd one weaving down the road without obvious cause and it turns out to be an elderly person.
"This fallacy that it's less harmful than tobacco is pathetic" - medically, it is. It doesn't have nicotine, and much less quantity of tar and carcinogenics when burnt. Most regular and intelligent folks vapourise it to get the caniboids out without the by-products.
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 13:01 GMT Anonymous Coward
How many people posting about the evils of drugs?
have got in a fight on a friday night after drinking too much.
Not too many stoners fight..... they struggle to switch the TV over after a big camberwell carrot.
Make it legal Nick like the electorate asked you too on your 'big society' website. Oh yes that's right Lib Dems= empty promises
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 13:03 GMT g e
Then by your logic
Mobile phones should be a controlled substance, presumably
I have no idea when an erratic driver is stoned (do you have some kind of portable gas chromatograph or sensitive spectral analyer or something?) but I can damn well see when the feckers are on the phone.
We are all dying to know how you know these drivers are stoned not sleepy/drunk/moronic
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 23:17 GMT Anonymous Coward
Check you assumptions
Jared Loughner smoked a lot of dope. I'm not sure the amount of deaths indirectly attributed to marijuana use can be assumed to be exactly zero. I also have personal experience from riding with stoned drivers that it makes them worse drivers while simultaneously convincing them that they are driving really well -- but then I suspect alcohol does that as well.
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 11:14 GMT Anonymous Coward
Brain Meltdown..
It is claimed that the stronger skunk varieties of cannabis are liable to cause 'Brain Meltdown' and that these varieties are becomeing more and more common. Yet clinical levels of schizophrenia and psychosis have remained steady. You do the math. As an aside canabis is harmful to your well-being. there needs to be a new word for the weeded uber lazy.
This daft woman needs to be fined for wasting energy, and generating excessive pollution (at the power station) who on earth puts an electric heater on full power in an uninsulated garage? an anti frosting heater ok, but to be pumping out that much heat (see IR image) is lunacy.
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 11:53 GMT Anonymous Coward
Daft Woman ?!? Needs to be fined?!?
You need to be fined for making such idiotic suggestions.
Also, Skunk (resin) as sold on the street, is mainly made up of all types of crap, and brain rotting chemicals you wouldn't believe, if it is legalised and produced properly under controled conditions then.
A), it wouldn't be produced at such high strengths
B), it wouldn't contain all the shit that gets put in currently
C), The illegal drug trade falls on its face
D), Jobs created
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 13:07 GMT Anton Ivanov
The garage is behind, the heat comes from a shed
If the colouring is standard (brighter for more intensive) the heat is coming from a small shed next to what looks like a standard bolted panel-kit garage. So she is not wasting that much energy after all. However, this also means that the Yorkshire cops have made all that fuss because of a 2mx2m shed where one can grow at most a handful of plants.
As far as the clinical levels of schizophrenia and psychosis - they will show effects from cannabis if a statistically significant part of the population overindulges in it to the point where it can be triggered. At the moment that is simply not the case.
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 14:39 GMT F111F
Darker Areas, not Lighter
...show heat loss. Notice the chimneys and windows on the buildings surrounding, they are darker, showing heat escaping. Also, the article said it was a "garage" not a shed.
My question: Why not simply look in the window? Don't most garages have a window or two? It would be "in plain sight" and if the police couldn't see the pets, they would see that there was no cannabis production. I'm guessing they coppers didn't even try, and just decided to inconvenience everyone by calling the homeowner home from work to grandstand a "raid".
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 18:31 GMT Tom 13
Well, let's check some AMA research
"Marijuana smoking, like tobacco smoking,
may be associated with increased risk
of lung cancer. Marijuana smoke contains
cannabinoid compounds in addition to
many of the same components as tobacco
smoke. For instance, benzopyrene, a carcinogenic
polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon,
is found in both tobacco and marijuana
smoke and has been implicated in mutations
related to lung cancer.4-7 Furthermore, experimental
studies support an association
between marijuana smoke exposure and
lung cancer, with lung cancer cell lines demonstrating
tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)-
induced malignant cell proliferation8,9 and
a murine model suggesting that THC promotes
tumor growth by inhibiting antitumor
immunity by a cannibinoid-2 receptor
mediated pathway.10 Although the
preponderance of in vitro data supports a
biologically plausible association, limited research
exists that suggests anticarcinogenic
cannabinoid effects.11-13 Given these
contrasting data, we chose to systematically
evaluate the association between smoking
marijuana and lung cancer."
http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/166/13/1359.pdf
The study concludes that more study is required. But given how difficult it has been to convince people that smoking is bad for their health, I expect the results will eventually be the same: smoking kills whether it is tobacco or weed, and weed actually has more carcinogens.
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 23:16 GMT Anonymous Coward
Tempest in a teapot
Marijuana is worse for you per weight of substance smoked. In evaluating the health risks, it is generally assumed that pot smokers consume only a small fraction of the amount of burning weeds that tobacco smokers consume. If a pot smoker tried to keep up with a fag smoker on a puff-for-puff basis, they'd soon bear a striking resemblance to Ozzy Osborne.
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 17:03 GMT Citizen Kaned
pusher?
they do not exist.
stop reading the daily fail for your world insights.
also skunk is a strain of cannabis. there are plenty of strains that are weaker than old school resin. FLO is a nice example. i guarantee that 99.9% of smokers have never smoked actual skunk, since hardly anyone grows that strain.
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 10:29 GMT irish donkey
Shock horror
'Victimless crime feels the full strength of the law'
Meanwhile thieves and scum stealing everything from everybody isn't worth investigating as it's so common.
So how many other less news worthy crimes were ignored so they could go in mob handed.
So the question is will she lose her job on the bases of soft evidence.
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 12:38 GMT bluesxman
RE: Why take her out of work?
You'd prefer that they kicked the door in? Sounds oddly considerate. Perhaps they thought they'd been given a bum steer and exercised uncharacteristic caution. Or they failed to get a warrant, in which case she could have told them to "go forth and procreate" anyway.
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 15:32 GMT Anonymous Coward
I love the downvotes on this
because the whole legalise it argument is crap - the idea that if drugs are legalised the mob will shrug their shoulders and walk away supposes there is no criminal involvement in cigarettes or alcohol or fuel or any of the other legal areas of life. It's just nonsense
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 16:07 GMT Laurent_Z
Look here Anonymous Guy
There is a part of capitalism that is not that discussed, and that is price equilibrium vs Taxes.
Whenever taxes reach a certain point there is an incentive in doing without them.
Like @ 10% tax the risk is so much higher than the gain.
@ 20%tax you can already guess that you can both sell your wares 20%less that your counterparts, but if you play 'nice' you just sell at street price and keep the taxes for you, and as you are not selling at less than street price you are almost golden as no one sees anything (except from the tax dude.)
Now can you remind me of the level of tax on cigarettes ?
You want to kill grey market on ciggies or alcohol ? make them affordable in the legal market. QED.
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 10:55 GMT Nigel 11
Greener dope farms?
Surely even the dumbest criminal has by now worked out that the police are using IR cameras to find their farms, so they need to use only premises with roof insulation to the highest standard. Presumably also high-efficiency (LED?) lighting so that their farm doesn't overheat.
So the good news should be that illegal dope-growing is reducing its CO2 emissions and rising fast in the "green" stakes!
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Wednesday 12th January 2011 11:15 GMT Paul_Murphy
I would have thought..
That a roof-mounted heat-exchange system would be one way of doing it - run a load of pipes with water in all over the top of the 'garage' (or the premises in question) to soak up the ambient heat and then run the 'hot' pipe through a freezer, or in front of an air-con unit or into a ground-sink or whatever else comes to hand - free hot showers for the residents comes to mind.
Anyway - at least the terrorists haven't won yet!
hmm
ttfn
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